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littleman69
09-25-2001, 12:04 PM
PPL always say 12x bodyweight or AMR - 500. 12 x bodyweight for a bodybuilder would be 12x200lbs. He has at leats 60lbs of lbm. THen this fat ass weighs 200lbs at 40%bf. How could these calculations possibly be accurate?

Also, AMR calculations never take into account your lbm. WHy is this. Again, i ask this for the same reason : BB vs fat ass.

Tryska
09-25-2001, 12:14 PM
you could always 14xLBM for a caloric value.

littleman69
09-25-2001, 01:33 PM
Yeah i knew that answer was cuming. But do you agree though, with my point, that much of the "advice" given about 12xweight is flawed in a sense?

Tryska
09-25-2001, 01:38 PM
well yeah, in that muscle burns more cals then fat....I used to know the exact number,s but I flushed that info as useless I guess. I tend to use the LBM calculation for myself, but i tell other people who's details I don't know to Use 10x or 12x their weight. once you do all the math though, the caloric values aren't hugely different, i think maybe 200 cals at the most?

littleman69
09-25-2001, 01:43 PM
200 can make the difference for an experienced bodybuilder - but he would know how to manipulate his diet according to his needs - so no need for the hype (i thought i just made this discovery heh)

thanks tryska for your help.

Tryska
09-25-2001, 01:46 PM
your welcome!:)

Wizard
09-27-2001, 07:47 AM
You can't determine the exact amount of calories you need in order to cut...

You just count all your calories for 5days(your daily calories) and then drop about 15% or 500 calories,whichever is more.
Then you make any adjustments depending on the progress you notice.

However a fat person has less LBM than a bodybuilder and -in most cases-it has the need for less calories.