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frankm007
02-20-2004, 11:30 AM
hey guys, i think i found an excellent and veryyyyy economic protein brand! check this out.. ideas?

http://www.nutrabio.com/Products/whey_protein33.htm

Behemoth
02-20-2004, 02:02 PM
WOW! Bookmarked! Anyone got anymore info?

xbranman2
02-20-2004, 03:38 PM
50 pound bags are only 170 or 180.

chris mason
02-20-2004, 03:39 PM
If quality means nothing to you and protein at a low price is your only goal, then you should just buy dried milk powder. Very inexpensive and a great source of protein.

Saint Patrick
02-20-2004, 03:44 PM
just keep in mind that it's unflavored powder. Not a bad idea for mixing in smoothies with fruit or something.

frankm007
02-20-2004, 05:12 PM
i dont see why this is low quality... it's the same as any other... i am however, waiting to get the ingredients from them after i sent them an email. I will let you guys know what they are. if for w/e reason they don't tell me...we can skip this.

frankm007
02-20-2004, 05:13 PM
saint patrick, yea..perfect! i use my whey for pre and post shake that i mix with kool-aid..

chris mason
02-20-2004, 06:04 PM
Are you lactose intolerant Frank?

frankm007
02-20-2004, 09:27 PM
no im not, why

Saint Patrick
02-20-2004, 09:56 PM
Thanks for the link, Frank. I'm considering getting a bag myself.

577 servings, that should last me about 5-6 months.

Hell, if I get the 50lb bag, it'll last me about a year.

Behemoth
02-20-2004, 10:22 PM
If quality means nothing to you and protein at a low price is your only goal, then you should just buy dried milk powder. Very inexpensive and a great source of protein.

Doesn't dried milk powder also have carbs? Same ratio as skim milk is it not? About 9 grams protein to 13 grams carbs. This is a pears to apples comparission. And even so, can it top 150grams per dollar?

From what I read on their site their protein is the same quality as many large name brands, which for me is plenty quality enough. I'm simply curious to where you were led to believe it's poor quality. I may have missed something...?
However, the one thing I do question is the validity of this site. I've never heard of it before and nobody has ever brought it up before. Plus it just sounds too good to be true; and everyone knows what that old saying...

Saint Patrick
02-20-2004, 10:46 PM
If quality means nothing to you and protein at a low price is your only goal, then you should just buy dried milk powder. Very inexpensive and a great source of protein.

I'm sorry for the dumb question, but is that the same as evaporated milk?

Growth
02-20-2004, 10:59 PM
WOW, this is pimo! i also doubt it is of significant inferior quality.

Growth
02-20-2004, 11:03 PM
No international orders!!!!! :( Does anyone know of a way i could get this sent overseas?

Cardinal
02-21-2004, 10:50 AM
Doesn't dried milk powder also have carbs? Same ratio as skim milk is it not? About 9 grams protein to 13 grams carbs. This is a pears to apples comparission. And even so, can it top 150grams per dollar?

From what I read on their site their protein is the same quality as many large name brands, which for me is plenty quality enough. I'm simply curious to where you were led to believe it's poor quality. I may have missed something...?
However, the one thing I do question is the validity of this site. I've never heard of it before and nobody has ever brought it up before. Plus it just sounds too good to be true; and everyone knows what that old saying...

It is pears to apples comparison I think.

For a better comparison, maybe look at milk protein isolate. You don't have any of the carbohdyrates and can use it however you want. You could even use some powdered milk and some isolate to make a high protein milk.

No way you are going to beat 150 grams/dollar though.

I think when I made my last bulk order of milk isolate, I payed something like 1.40 or so per 100 grams protein including shipping. The key being to get it in bulk. So in my neck of the woods that is a little more expensive than tuna at .33 a can or 100grams protein/dollar, but way less expensive than bulk chicken breast. A good compromise if you ask me.

Don't forget about soy isolates too. Plant proteins can usually be obtained cheaper.

frankm007
02-21-2004, 11:38 AM
do not purchase from them YET, i am in the process of finding out more information (ingredients, perhaps a sample, etc.). I do not trust a company that does not have an ingredients list, even if its "protein". I will keep you guys updated! So far, so good...

chris mason
02-21-2004, 06:11 PM
I asked if you were lactose intolerant because milk is a great source of protein. Again, as I already stated, if price is your only concern, and it certainly seems to be, then just get some powdered milk. Yes, it contains carbs, but so what? If you want to get big and strong and don't want to pay a lot then milk powdered milk with some liquid milk and you have a high quality, dirt cheap protein drink.

You have to understand that someone selling a protein powder really cheaply is not doing it to be benevolent. They are still going to make a profit. If the product is a whole lot cheaper than everyone else, then it only stands to reason that the product must be much cheaper to produce. Why? Well, quality must be a component.

That was also my point.

-sin-
02-21-2004, 08:29 PM
Looks legit to me. PowerPro is owned by Land O'Lakes Inc. Land O'Lakes is a HUGE dairy company, and they probably have more whey than they know what to do with. Makes sense to sell it so cheap...

bill
02-21-2004, 09:20 PM
may be a good buy but for a family man like myself I have to very frugal on what I spend my my cash on so I wander if most are like me and have to buy the smaller containers just on cost you know 20 or 30 bucks instead of 100 a pop
Chris would baby formula be a good protein source . lol
what do have that compares and fellas should we support this site if we use it all the time

frankm007
02-22-2004, 06:41 AM
i should get an ingredients list this monday... but meanwhile, i found this;

http://www.dealtime.com/xMR-Nutrabiotics_Research_Labs_Inc.~MRD-300164

chops
02-22-2004, 08:25 AM
However, the one thing I do question is the validity of this site. I've never heard of it before and nobody has ever brought it up before. Plus it just sounds too good to be true; and everyone knows what that old saying...

i bought glutamine from them thru yahoo shopping and received it fast and packaged well. they have a high satisfaction rating on yahoo. they also do e commerce from their own private website. i thought maybe it was a questionable company too but i checked their certification at square trade and it is valid. also checked better biz bureau www.bbb.com and they are in good standing.

as for the glutamine, i wouldn't know how to compare the quality since this is the first time ive tried taking it. its too chalky to me so i only took it a few times.

ogarchamplin
02-22-2004, 12:08 PM
So did anyone order from here?

Budiak
02-22-2004, 02:40 PM
Makes sense to sell it so cheap...

But it makes MORE sense to sell it market standard rates and make tons more profit. Thats what Mason is getting at, thats why the product is likely substandard.

Behemoth
02-22-2004, 03:38 PM
But it makes MORE sense to sell it market standard rates and make tons more profit. Thats what Mason is getting at, thats why the product is likely substandard.

Yeah, but if they were to sell it the same price as everyone else who would pay $300 for a bag of protein? Not many people can shovel out that much at once for protein; most people would choose the path of buying it for $40 per when they need it if the price was the same. And if they have no other purpose for it and it's just a useless byproduct to them, then any money they get for it is a profit.

STUNT101
02-22-2004, 04:27 PM
nice. good link.

Budiak
02-22-2004, 06:53 PM
It costs them money to market, package, and inventory the ****.

You can get bulk protein from proteinfactory or Proteincustomizer. Many companies sell bulk protein, and not just small tubs. Bulk protein is a market niche.

Its not a useless byproduct. Its a source of revenue. If they didnt sell it directly to consumers they would sell it en masse to producers. Land O Lakes is a HUGE dairy company, I wouldnt doubt that a good number of protein brands we buy have Land O Lakes protein in them. Companies like this never throw anything away if they can make a dollar off of it, especially something as obviously profitable as whey protein.

frankm007
02-23-2004, 11:05 AM
yes, thats what i want to hear, but i called and they said "i dont have the information with me, ill have one of my supervisors call u bacK"...lol

Holto
02-23-2004, 08:53 PM
But it makes MORE sense to sell it market standard rates and make tons more profit

what is the market standard rate for 150lb bag of pure WPC?

I couldn't think of a better way of saying this

like flax oil is 5 times cheaper in a bottle than in capsules by the same company

Spartacus
02-23-2004, 10:43 PM
so do you think they are cutting it with something else, or its has a bad texture, or what? how is wpc inferior to other wpc?

frankm007
02-24-2004, 05:39 PM
alright, i received the email i was hoping for, here it is;

"This is pure whey protein concentrate directly from the dairy manufacturer. There are no other ingredients at all - no*sweeteners, additives etc., in this product. The protein is packaged in 33.1 pound bags by the dairy manufacturer and shipped directly to you from the most recently manufcatured lot.

Thanks for your interest.
Larry"

frankm007
02-24-2004, 05:40 PM
i am ordering my 33lb bag next week!

Crystallio
02-24-2004, 06:08 PM
Looks like a good deal, but how are you guys planning on storing it? Is the bag it comes in re-sealable?

frankm007
02-24-2004, 06:26 PM
yes it does, plus i have a few buckets i can fill up.

geoffgarcia
02-24-2004, 08:19 PM
Frank, before you ask you want to figure out what % it is!

Whey Protein Concentrates come in three protein concentration levels 34%, 50% and 80%. We sell only the highest protein concentration the 80% protein Whey Protein Concentrate without additives. Whey Protein is also available as Whey Protein Isolate (90% Protein).

Regular Sweet Dairy Whey is 12% Protein. It is concentrated into the powder form by taking the water out of liquid whey.

Some companies sell this whey as concentrated whey protein, it is not it is just pure dairy whey with the water removed. Many companies blend this with whey protein concentrate to lower the cost of their whey protein. We do not recommend it as a protein supplement as it is only 12% protein.
http://www.bulkfoods.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamCat=ALL&txtsearchParamType=ALL&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&txtsearchParamTxt=4165

chrisconnell85
02-25-2004, 12:13 AM
my quick (rough) math shows that this stuff has
385g of protein per pound....


1 pound (453.6 grams) of whey protein (80%) contains 362.88 grams protein per pound.
1 pound (453.6 grams) of whey protein (90%) contains 408.24 grams protein per pound.

The best prices I have found is www.allthewhey.com

10 pounds of whey for 37.99 with Chocolate, Strawberry, Unflavored and Vanilla!

Just ordered some for the first time last week. I live here in Canada and I still think it's a great deal....

The problem with this stuff is that it's unflavored...I have never tried unflavored whey and I don't think I would get used to it.

That's the cheapest prices I have found. Oh ya and they will match any WHEY price and beat it by 10%

frankm007
02-25-2004, 06:53 AM
i just looked, but it has less servings...

allthewhey 10lbs protein comes in 2 5lb containers each containing 80 servings...
so,

80x2=160 servings in 10lbs x 3 = 480 servings for 33lbs -> nutrabiotics 33.1lbs = 577 servings

more servings for ur money, still cheaper

geoffgarcia
02-25-2004, 07:49 AM
serving size means nothing....one company thinks a serving is 20g of protein, another thinks 55 is appropriate...that shouldn't be a measure of anything....

ya gotta measure g of protein/lb

pure WPC
1 pound proteinfactory.com = 347.76 g protein = $3.82
1 pound bulkfoods.com = 362.88 g protein = $3.73
1 pound nutrabio.com = 383.82 g protein = $3.60

WPC/Isolate blend
1 pound allthewhey.com = 351.38 g protein = $3.80

pure Isolate
1 pound bulkfoods.com = 408.24 g protein = $6.32
1 pound (CFM) proteinfactory.com = 408.24 g protein = $8.85
1 pound (iso-chill) proteinfactory.com = 423.36 g protein = $6.50


1) Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS)
2) Protein/Efficiency Ratio(PER)
3) Biological Value (BV)
4) Protein Digestibility %(PD)
WPC_____________________ 1.00___ 3.6___ 104___ 95
Whole Egg________________ 1.00___ 3.8___ 100___ 98
Casein____________________ 1.00___ 2.9___ 77___ 99
Soy Protein Concentrate_____ 0.99___ 2.2___ 74___ 95
Beef______________________ 0.92___ 2.9___ 80___ 98
Wheat Gluten______________ 0.25___ 0.34___ 54___ 91
http://www.allthewhey.com/compare.html#Anchor-Testosteron-51620


BV (Biological Value). This is quite an old measure, and using this different flavours of whey protein (concentrates and isolates) can score well over 100, which at one time was the highest possible score for a protein! Basically what BV tells us is the percentage of protein that your body has absorbed from the amount of protein you ingested (% of absorbed Nitrogen retained in the body). This gives an indication of how much of the protein that is consumed actually remains within the body to promote protein synthesis.

Secondly we have NPU (Net Protein Utilisation). NPU, is the ratio of amino acids converted in to proteins, compared to the ratio of amino acids supplied throughout the day. NPU is a useful index for evaluating both digestive and metabolic protein utilization, this figure is somewhat affected by the salvage of essential amino acids within the body, but is profoundly affected by the level of limiting amino acids within the food that you have ingested. What I mean by limiting amino acid is, any amino acid which is classed as an essential amino acid, i.e. one that cannot be manufactured in the body from scratch.

Thirdly we have PER (Protein Efficiency Ratio), this has now been replaced by a more effective measure called PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility Amino Acid Score).

PDCAAS was developed by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) to compare the quality of different proteins based on amino acid requirements necessary for humans. A protein receives the highest value (1.0) by containing all the essential amino acids required by our bodies. The idea is that all the protein needs of your body will be met, if your diet provides you with enough of the essential amino acids. It first scores a protein based on its amino acid content and then adjusts it to account for the food's digestibility. Corrections for digestibility of protein are applied to give a protein-quality rating such that's much closer to reality for human metabolism.

The PDCAAS is based on the amino acid needs of children ages 2-5, since this is the group that needs the greatest amount of amino acid consumption. By using a 2-5 year old child's needs as a base, it is assured to exceed the amino acid needs of everyone since your needs decrease as you get older

Now you have a brief knowledge of the most popular protein quality measures, that is what they are and what they measure. So the next time you buy a tub of protein, are you going to get clever and start quoting PDCAAS values etc?? Well what I suggest is to forget all these fancy values, and simply look at the contents!! We already know that Whey protein is a complete protein, and will score well on all of these measures!! So do we just stick with plain old whey protein? No chance - we want to go one step further and make it even better!! The best protein powders will have a variety of protein sources. This ensures that you get a wider amino acid spectrum, and hence more complete proteins, it also helps supply your body with a steady supply of aminos, compared to most whey proteins that give you a massive influx of aminos (known as anabolic proteins) most of which will be oxidised and not used in protein synthesis. Hence combining whey protein (or any other proteins for that matter) with other proteins, such as egg white and micellular caseins, you are creating a designer protein far superior to any one single protein source.
http://www.british-bodybuilding.co.uk/Protein_Powders.shtml


did I ever mention that I have way to much free time? :alcoholic

Budiak
02-25-2004, 11:09 AM
See, I dont know. We'll just have to wait until the ginuea pigs here get their orders and try the stuff out.

frankm007
02-25-2004, 12:01 PM
im getting nutrabios... and im getting allwhey...just ordered 5lbs of whey from allwhey..lets see :)

geoffgarcia
02-25-2004, 12:34 PM
im getting nutrabios and allwhey...lets see
What will you be looking for?

chris mason
02-25-2004, 02:16 PM
Geoff, I am sorry I have forgotten to post the breakdown, I will get it up ASAP.


Let me try to explain more fully what I mean by "quality". There are many aspects, but here are a few:

1) Taste: unflavored products obviously leave something to be desired here
2) Mixability: I have bought less expesive whey powders and found them to have horrible mixing qualities. The preparation of the protein and added ingredients influences this quality. Cheap proteins will most often not mix well.
3) Percent protein per serving: Nitrean is 80% protein per serving. Many of the cheaper products fall far short of that number.

There are other qualities, but I think I have made my point. Spend your money in the way you see fit. When I spend my money I want to get the best bang for my buck. I don't think you will do so by buying the product you have mentioned.

I KNOW you will by buying my products.

geoffgarcia
03-12-2004, 12:55 PM
hey chris, would love to know that breakdown!
I know in a few months I'll be looking for some new protein powder and knowing the breakdown might influence my decision away from other products that I know the breakdown of!
THanks!

Cardinal
03-14-2004, 02:31 PM
I think there is something we are all missing. Dr. Phil brought up the idea of getting calcium caseinate from a local dairy at a bargain. That is what I plan on looking for now.

That will likely prove much cheaper than any whey product imo. I'll let you know if I find anything.

Part of the reason I posted this was to see if anyone had an online source for cheap casein. I am sure the idea that it can be purchased directly from a dairy at bargain prices is muffled a lot by supplement companies. I am glad such threads as this exist.

I will find a cheaper source of milk protein!

Bam Bam
03-14-2004, 03:17 PM
protein customizer sells it for around $6 bucks a lb

it was cheaper till some fookers decided it was good shiat now its higher

Vtlifting
03-14-2004, 07:53 PM
There are 50lb bags on ebay for around 95.00 Same stuff.

ogarchamplin
04-07-2004, 06:21 AM
did anyone order this?

geoffgarcia
04-07-2004, 08:27 AM
I think there is something we are all missing. Dr. Phil brought up the idea of getting calcium caseinate from a local dairy at a bargain. That is what I plan on looking for now.

That will likely prove much cheaper than any whey product imo. I'll let you know if I find anything.

Part of the reason I posted this was to see if anyone had an online source for cheap casein. I am sure the idea that it can be purchased directly from a dairy at bargain prices is muffled by a lot by supplement companies.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that you will ever find casein cheaper than whey...casein in bulk or in fancy packages is always more expensive than whey. But please let us know if you find anything that shows different

Paladyr
04-07-2004, 08:44 AM
I'd be worried about my year long supply of protein being in a bag. I like a sealable plastic jug :).

Ebu
04-07-2004, 12:19 PM
With allthewhey.com, there are "blends" and "isolates". Isn't isolate the better alternative? Also, about the powdered milk a ways back in this thread, about 80% of milk protein is cassein, and only like 20% is whey. Its a different type of protein. Cassein is slow, Whey is fast, is, what i perceive most people say.

Cardinal
04-07-2004, 10:16 PM
I haven't found anything locally. One place to look for calcium caseinate might be chemical companies, again trying to find a good bulk deal.

Best suggestion I have seen to date comes from lyle's site. He uses whey mixed with psyillium or other fiber as needed to slow the digestion and give it an effect closer to casein.

BSL's deal of 50lbs for 145 and five free flavor packets gets my vote for the best I have seen to date. That will likely be my next purchase. If I did the math right that comes out to 100 grams actual protein for about 80 cents give or take. Good enough for me.

-C

AllNatural
04-08-2004, 09:49 PM
http://store.yahoo.com/vitaglo/eas129.html

Buy 5 of these about the same price and same quantity, better quality plus free ship

Budiak
04-09-2004, 01:56 AM
I'd be worried about my year long supply of protein being in a bag. I like a sealable plastic jug .

You mean you don't save all your jugs?

Ebu
04-09-2004, 03:50 PM
I like the EAS stuff that AllNatural has linked to. They have changed their proteon though, it is now called MyoPro. So, I don't know how old that stuff is that vitaglo is selling.

AllNatural
04-09-2004, 04:10 PM
I take that stuff and I'm pretty sure its not expired, just ordered some new ones and I'll let you know if its expired. Whatever it is it goes down sooo smooth much smoother than designer whey

maxmuscle48
08-06-2009, 07:28 AM
NutraBio.com is awesome! All their products are made of pure ingredients, no artificial stuff. Their products are so cheap, and I know it seems to good to be true. I have used many of their products and they work great I've been with them for about a year now and I'm loving it. They have great sales from time to time like free or discounted shipping, and they do international orders, I don't think they used to but now they do which means they are definitely expanding and becoming a well known company. =)