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syntekz
10-01-2001, 09:16 AM
What's everyones' opinion on whether or not the CKD diet could be used effectively to gain weight (lean muscle mass)?

Tryska
10-01-2001, 09:17 AM
it would work, but it's difficult to eat purely meat and grease OVER your maintenance level.

Cackerot69
10-01-2001, 09:22 AM
Yes it can.

syntekz
10-01-2001, 09:24 AM
By the way Cack, great article you wrote. It's what got me interested in the diet.

I like the idea of feeding my face on the weekends.

Cackerot69
10-01-2001, 09:38 AM
I was wondering when someone was gonna ask "who the hell is Justin Frank?".....somehow everyone already knows.

Anyway, to tailor it to gaining you wouldn't really have to eat much more during the low carb days. It would be more of playing around with the carb loads, like more frequently and maybe just more carbs on the day itself.

Something such as:

Day 1-4: ketogenic diet with roughly maintenance cals or slightly above/below depending on your goals. If you want to use the diet to stay lean I would actually use this period as a kind of fat loss period and put cals 150-250 below maintenance. The purpose it would serve is to burn off any fat gained during the bulking period (carb load).

day 5-7: carb load with 1000 cals above maintenance.

So, say your maintenance level is 2500 cals per day (probably way off but this is just to make a point). That means your weekly maintenance is 17, 500 cals. During the carb load you eat 10, 500 cals and during the "fat loss" (in actuality fat maintenance) phase you eat 2250 cals per day and end up with a total of 19,500 cals and a surplus of 2000 per week and 285 per day. Which is about good for a lean mass gain.

You could screw around with this to have more cals or less depending on how fast you need to gain or whatever, of course.

Basically the same idea as the cyclical approach to dieting but it's made for bulking with the complete opposite purpose.

syntekz
10-01-2001, 09:58 AM
Makes sense. I actually did ask who "Justin Frank," just no on the board. :D

Cackerot69
10-01-2001, 10:06 AM
Haha, my name sucks anyway.

Justin = ace.

Frank = not ace.

Think'm gonna change it.

Paul Stagg
10-01-2001, 10:09 AM
I think a CKD is an awful approach to use to gain LBM.

Cackerot69
10-01-2001, 10:12 AM
Me too, but what the hell. It'll work.

Maki Riddington
10-01-2001, 10:43 AM
I'm well above my matinence at 3200 cals.
So far so good.
I will add in around 50 grms a day of carbs when I want to gain a little faster.
But for now I'm ok.
Other than the flat look.

the doc
10-01-2001, 02:31 PM
whew i cant wait to be flat again. I gained ~10 lbs lbm +2 lbs fat on my own hi cal modified CKD over about 3 months

When i went off it though i bloated up 15 lbs and my pants are way to tight lol
i would've stayed on till i got to 200 but i was traveling for around a month and i couldn't stay on it

Looking to deplete and cut up later this week after i get over this cold... need to get back into my wardrobe

syntekz
10-01-2001, 07:36 PM
Cack, in your article, I'm a little confused by a few things I've heard.

So when you're on this diet you want your body to go into Ketosis? Or you don't?

Maki Riddington
10-01-2001, 07:43 PM
You want to during the 5 days.

the doc
10-01-2001, 07:48 PM
MA, check your pm

syntekz
10-01-2001, 07:54 PM
Thanks doc.

I was talking to a friend of mine at the gym who said that when your body goes into ketosis it eats up whatever it can very quickly; which means it'll eat a lot of muscle up. That also makes very hard to try and bulk with this diet?


Correct me if I'm wrong?

Maki; how you feeling? You off in 'lala' land yet?

the doc
10-01-2001, 08:13 PM
Carb ups provide anabolic stimulation...
When your in a calorie surplus you have carbon and nitrogen availible for growth.

ketones protect muscle, gluconeogenesis is kept to a minimum, as well as glucagon spikes (promoting movement of aminos out of cells)

Maki Riddington
10-01-2001, 08:18 PM
Honestly MA I don't know.
I have a slight headcahe now and then but I don't feel rotten at all.
I don't know if I'm in or out of ketosis right now.
And I'm too lazy to buy the strips.
We'll see after tonight, I'm gonna do a whole upper body workout tonight before the end of my shift.