Creatine Rant

[bigfella13]

Hey guys, its been a while!!
As a user of creatine, i was really worried to learn about the deaths of 2 young prominant irish sports stars may be related to creatine usage. As we all know creatine can be the cause of some kidney trouble as it is converted to creatinine , but now the papers (Irish Times 04/04/04) seem to think that Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, an ailment that affects as many as 1 in 1000 sports stars is also a possible side effect of it, this is why the Irish govenrment are AGAIN trying to ban the usage of this suppliment in sports by asking for its placement on the anti-doping list of banned substances.
Just thought u guys would like to know this
Laters

[ElPietro]

So without knowing if creatine had anything to do with it, they simply want to ban it now?

[PiKappaWRX]

that sux, we lost ephedra and they might lose creatine....what is happening to the supplement market?!

[bill]

creatine converting to creatinine correct me if i'm wrong but don't think they are the same?

[Relentless]

why be surprised that governments react in ignorant and ill-advised ways when confronted with a loud enough noise?

[chris mason]

Hey guys, its been a while!!
As a user of creatine, i was really worried to learn about the deaths of 2 young prominant irish sports stars may be related to creatine usage. As we all know creatine can be the cause of some kidney trouble as it is converted to creatinine , but now the papers (Irish Times 04/04/04) seem to think that Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, an ailment that affects as many as 1 in 1000 sports stars is also a possible side effect of it, this is why the Irish govenrment are AGAIN trying to ban the usage of this suppliment in sports by asking for its placement on the anti-doping list of banned substances.
Just thought u guys would like to know this
Laters

Please do not post b.s. like this on this site. Creatine "can" be the cause of kidney problems? Care to provide me a link showing creatine was the cause of kidney problems in ANY healthy adults?

Your young prominent soccer stars, if they even exist, did NOT die from creatine use. That is a load of ****!

[ElPietro]

It's awesome how everything is still being based on tests done on rats in the 70s or 80s.

[bill]

creatine converting to creatinine correct me if i'm wrong but don't think they are the same?
I still believe these are to seperate things am i right I don't believe creatine converts to creatinine ,
yeah just like the dehydrated wrestlers dying from creatine , didn't mention there training and cutting extreme wt. HUMM

[ElPietro]

Creatinine is a by-product of creatine.

Here's a good little read, not too long, and in layman's terms on how it all works.

http://www.athletictrainer.com/2000/07/03/eng-peakhealth/eng-peakhealth_151444_45_6015353207476.cfm

[Hawg]

Ok what the big fella said is not b.s two prominent young sportstars did die here in recent weeks both in their twenties one rugby player and the other a gaelic football player.Now the government are looking for an explanation and of course creatine being the most popular supplement used is being blamed.I think the bigfella was only trying to let people know whats goin on here.As a regular creatine user myself I hope they do not use it as a scapegoat and drive it under ground.
PS
The Bigfella never mentioned soccer stars Chris.

[Shao-LiN]

I still believe these are to seperate things am i right I don't believe creatine converts to creatinine ,
yeah just like the dehydrated wrestlers dying from creatine , didn't mention there training and cutting extreme wt. HUMM

Your body produces its own creatine. A waste product of its conversion is creatinine.

[chris mason]

Ok, so the report was true (with regards to the death of 2 young men), let's see the studies I asked for. If someone could show me a study where creatine harmed a healthy adult's kidneys, a conclusive study, I would love to see it.

[bigfella13]

Yeah chris it can, high levels of creatinine is commonly associated with renal cancer and/or failure, this was the only reason i mentioned it. Drinking a lot of water when on creatine is not just to supply your muscles with water but to also help flush out the excess creatinine that is formed when the muscle becomes saturated with creatine. This is also a good reason for cycling creatine ie to give the kidneys a break from the constant moderate-high levels of creatinine. As of yet im still looking for studys to help support this.

[Holto]

Yeah chris it can, high levels of creatinine is commonly associated with renal cancer and/or failure

what does this have to do with supplemental creatine ?


im still looking for studys to help support this.

for a study to be relevant it needs to use supplemental creatine with healthy individuals...

[bigfella13]

basically when you up your creatine intake, either through consuming a large amount of meat or by supplimenting with creatine monohydrate, serum creatinine levels are gonna increase as a result of this additional creatine breakdown.
Thanks holto, ill keep an eye and ear out in class for ne thing else thats relavent.

[Holto]

basically when you up your creatine intake, either through consuming a large amount of meat or by supplimenting with creatine monohydrate, serum creatinine levels are gonna increase as a result of this additional creatine breakdown

but does this mean that healthy kidneys would have *any* problem handling the excretion of this extra creatinine

if this was the case then building lean mass would be bad for our health as people with more lean mass also have higer serum creatinine levels

(mentioned in EP's link)

here is a really good recent study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12701816

MD touched on it a couple of issues back

[bill]

thanks big E ,

[bill]

[QUOTE=bigfella13]Yeah chris it can, high levels of creatinine is commonly associated with renal cancer and/or failure, this was the only reason i mentioned it. Drinking a lot of water when on creatine is not just to supply your muscles with water but to also help flush out the excess creatinine that is formed when the muscle becomes saturated with creatine. This is also a good reason for cycling creatine ie to give the kidneys a break from the constant moderate-high levels of creatinine. As of yet im still looking for studys to help support this.[/QUOTE
studies can be made to turn out any way one wants to support their view or products

[chris mason]

I think he will be looking a LONG time before coming up with ANY study showing a CONCLUSIVE link between creatine intake and kidney problems in healthy individuals.

[ogarchamplin]

My Doctor told me that creatine will only cause kidney Faliure IF YOU TAKE MORE THAN WHAT YOU SUPPOSED TO! Also a lot of you atheletes die from a heart condition called IHSS http://public.bcm.tmc.edu/cardio/bhc/specializations/genetic.html

[JTyrell710]

hahaha the fact is that they gonna bang creatine which is syntheszed by the body AND FOUND in almost ALL MEAT PRODUCTS.. all of the sudden- chicken mcnuggets will be illegal, 3 year olds everywhere will be doing hard time...

[ogarchamplin]

Irish rugby player dies at World U-19 Championship

DURBAN (South Africa): Tragedy struck the first round of the World Under-19 Rugby Union Championship here Saturday when Ireland forward John McCall died in hospital after being injured against New Zealand, officials said.

International Rugby Board officials refused to give the cause of death while the South African Rugby Football Union (SARFU) said the flanker had suffered “sudden death syndrome”, an umbrella term used for the many different causes of cardiac arrest in young people. Another source said McCall died from a broken neck. The player received lengthy treatment at the Absa Stadium medical centre after being injured during a match won 30-6 by New Zealand before being taken to a hospital in the Indian Ocean city. —AFP

[ogarchamplin]

Cause of death revealed


Donal McAnallen (right) found his brother gasping for breath
Tyrone footballer Cormac McAnallen died because of a rare viral infection, a post-mortem found on Wednesday.
An initial examination had proved inconclusive but further tests revealed that McAnallen had a viral infection in his heart.

Blood tests showed that the 24-year-old Tyrone captain died of a condition affecting about one in 100,000 people.
The footballer's funeral will take place at St Patrick's Church in his native Eglish on Friday morning.

On Wednesday evening, his body was taken to his family home seven miles from Dungannon.

Earlier, his brother Donal spoke of his attempts to revive the Tyrone gaelic footballer in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

Donal was awake directly below Cormac's bedroom when he heard a noise getting louder and louder.

He said he rushed upstairs and realised it was coming from Cormac's room.

"I tried to shake a bit of life into him," Donal told the Irish News.

Just marrying Ashlene and having a life with her was the one big dream of his life that he didn't get to realise

Donal McAnallen

Donal then went to wake his mother but by the time they got back to Cormac's bedroom, there was no sound.


Initially, Donal thought that the Tyrone star might be choking but he quickly realised that it was something else.

His brother revealed that after returning home from a gym on Monday, Cormac, 24, had eaten dinner and watched television before going to bed.

Family members said they had no inkling that anything was wrong with the player's health.

"He was so formidable. Even if it was something that would normally cause death, you would still expect Cormac to come through it," said Donal.

On Monday evening, the player had confessed to feeling tired with his football and teaching commitments.

He had also attended many functions throughout Ireland following Tyrone's All-Ireland triumph last September.

I did not realise how far and wide his reputation had spread

Cormac's mother Bridget

"He didn't like to turn anyone down. He would just say: 'Isn't it good that we have something to celebrate?'

"Last night Cormac was saying: 'Maybe it is all become too much'. But he didn't say it in a resigned way, he was just tired," added Donal.

The player's brother spoke of his concern for Cormac's fiancee Ashlene.

The couple had been together for five years and became engaged at Christmas.

"Just marrying her and having a life with her was the one big dream of his life that he didn't get to realise," said Donal.

The player's mother Bridget said she had been amazed by the number of tributes pouring in from well-wishers.

"I knew Cormac had a very high profile before this and did seem to be universally loved among GAA people, but I did not realise how far and wide his reputation had spread.

"He was a lovely child. From the very beginning he had a very easy going manner except coming up to matches when he could be very tense."

Meanwhile, Tyrone may opt not to use the number three jersey for the remainder of this year as a mark of respect to the late captain.

[ogarchamplin]

So why is the Government trying to blame supps for these deaths when it cleary shows it had nothing to do with it?

[Holto]

I think the main reason is the tax dollars collected from big pharma

in health big pharma is really the enemy

the gov't dosen't want you controlling cholesterol with flax and fibre

or lowering blood pressure with hawthorne

because the profit margin on a bottle of herbs is like 20-50%

on a bottle of paxil 234,000 % (alive magazine)

there's one for the business managers and number crunchers

they sell it at a few dollars a pill and it only costs them a fraction of a cent to synthesise it...

[Maxgain]

You can look For studies linking creatine to organ damage you will not find one.
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/HSreport/iss06/index.html#art_1
The deaths of the two sports stars as confirmed above have not being linked to creatine at all. What is true is that if elected again our minister of sport will not only want to get creatine banned but protein suplements also next they will be limiting how much meat you can intake to limit protein by use of ration books. Sure in France they wanted to ban Actimel and other fortified foods!!!!!

This one should impress you Chris A 19 year old student was killed in a fight by a group of other students 3 got convicted. These students described themselves as slightly tipsy only after a minimum of 14 drinks including shots and pints.
What did the colege do? Blame alcohol no the convicted played rugby for the college and supposedly took creatine supplementation. The college banned Creatine use as Creatine makes you increasingly aggressive. And all us niaive people thought alcohol was to blame. Remember creatine is the hidden evil for everything

[ogarchamplin]

That makes no sense whatsoever. I just dont understand things like this.

[chris mason]

Ceatine has ZERO effects on aggressiveness. That myth lies in the confusion that the ignorant have between creatine and steroids.

[PiKappaWRX]

and once again chris comes through with the truth. :read: he knows his stuff, and that's right creatine wont kill you.

[joeman122]

does anyone nkow what creatine GCC is??


-joe

[ogarchamplin]

does anyone nkow what creatine GCC is??


-joe

http://www.affordablesupplements.com/muscle_milk.asp

[PiKappaWRX]

im definately not a fan of muscle milk, but it does taste good....