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Dedicated
04-18-2004, 07:15 PM
Can you get down to 6-7% and maintain it with no refeeds or thermogenics by following a balanced diet? Is this possible?

galileo
04-18-2004, 07:18 PM
Yes, but there may be other things sacrificed.

1. Possibility of increased muscle loss.
2. Possibility of a longer cut time.
3. Possibility of more difficulty controlling hunger.

I'd say it is most certainly possible as people did these things before the mainstreaming of refeeds and thermogenics, but if you can make life easier in anyway, then why not?

Saint Patrick
04-18-2004, 07:19 PM
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Dedicated
04-18-2004, 07:31 PM
Hmm time to do some reading on implementing refeeds then.

Hockey66
04-18-2004, 08:58 PM
I don't wanna sound stupid, but what are refeeds?

Shao-LiN
04-18-2004, 10:50 PM
Controlled periods of overeating involving carbohydrates.

Hockey66
04-18-2004, 11:58 PM
Do they actually help to cut?

geoffgarcia
04-19-2004, 12:08 AM
hockey, I could be wrong, but my assumption is that when you are on a calorie restricted diet for over 1-2 months your metabolism slows to match your diet, thus you no longer lose as much weight as you did at the beginning of the diet. The goal of the refeed is to pump your metabolism back up again so you can continue your downward weight loss regime?
I have no idea though...just what I always assumed it meant

Saint Patrick
04-19-2004, 12:24 AM
hockey, I could be wrong, but my assumption is that when you are on a calorie restricted diet for over 1-2 months your metabolism slows to match your diet, thus you no longer lose as much weight as you did at the beginning of the diet. The goal of the refeed is to pump your metabolism back up again so you can continue your downward weight loss regime?
I have no idea though...just what I always assumed it meant


That's the basic concept, yeah.

Shao-LiN
04-19-2004, 01:11 AM
More or less...you can get into leptin and hormone levels as a response to low calorie dieting, but I'd suggest you read Lyle's UD2 or bromocriptine book for a more in depth discussion on it.

PiKappaWRX
04-19-2004, 09:18 AM
hmmm maybe i should start thinking about this too.

Allyrulez
04-19-2004, 01:01 PM
That model guy who posted in members pics a month ago mantains at about 5% he says


Antek maintains at a vey low BF as well




I think they both do a lot of cardio

Dedicated
04-19-2004, 01:05 PM
That model guy who posted in members pics a month ago mantains at about 5% he says


Antek maintains at a vey low BF as well




I think they both do a lot of cardio
Yup he sure does. Aka is another person who comes to mind with an extremely low bodyfat, and he eats 3900-4k cals a day and maintains. He also does alot of cardio. Maybe there is a strong correlation between cardio and maintaining an extremely low bf lvl...something to think about.

geoffgarcia
04-19-2004, 01:35 PM
Maybe there is a strong correlation between cardio and maintaining an extremely low bf lvl...something to think about.
the relationship is more likely between cardio and metabolism rather than cardio and bodyfat...

galileo
04-19-2004, 01:52 PM
My correlation would be cardio and insanity.

Plus, refeeding does affect multiple pathways. Mindandmuscle.net has a series of articles entitled "Leptin: The Next Big Thing" which are interesting in regards to this.

geoffgarcia
04-19-2004, 01:59 PM
I read a study on EGCG a few weeks back that said leptin association with weight change is bogus...it is common for it to change as weight loss occurs but isn't necessary

Shao-LiN
04-19-2004, 02:50 PM
The way you describe it, I don't think they understand what role leptin plays in the grand scheme of things. At least not the way that I've read it.

Allyrulez
04-19-2004, 02:59 PM
Oops Antek is a model as well













ALso Aka63 has an online journal.. it makes a frightening bedtime story for fat deposits... Worth a look, very impressive very knowledgable guy