Dbol dose

[Slick 25]

I'm currently taking one 20mg dbol pill a day...half morning, half an hour before I lift. I'm seeing pretty good results so far, but I'm thinking of boosting it to 2 pills a day on the 3rd week or so. Would it be dumb to do the first two weeks with 20mg a day, then the next two weeks with 40mg a day and then for the last week to do 20mg a day again? This would be to sort of lower my dosage slowly and maybe give me an extra kick to keep more of what I gained after I discontinue the cycle. Comments appreciated.

[smalls]

Tapering will not help you keep your gains after stopping. I would run the same dosage the whole way through. What does you cycle look like, if it's dbol only expect to lose a lot of your gains.

[Slick 25]

I heard you keep about 70% of what you gain.

[CB]

Most of what you gain on dbol is water retention so prepare to lose a lot of it after you come off the dbol.

[Maki Riddington]

Liquidex/Ferma/Arimidex and dbol would be better. As for increasing your dose, you could play around with your doses on the days you train. For example, one guy I know increased his doses from 20mg per day to 35mg on his training day. He found that this method worked.

[BigRox]

Taking dbol only it a waste of time IMO.

[tony touch]

l-dex+dbol= poor man's anavar.

tren=poor mans HGH

remember i told you that!!!

[southern5575]

I started with 30mg of dbol ed for 2 weeks then bumped it up to 40mg for two more weeks.... I made the most gains during those weeks... added that I am still running test...

[gino]

Taking dbol only it a waste of time IMO.

Why? Can you gain muscle while on d-bol? Yes. You don't lose more muscle when you come off, you just lose more water because you retained more, so the loss in weight is not a true representation of the loss of LBM as most think. Muscle is muscle and regardless of what you used to gain it, it's there and it won't leave any more quickly when you come off if it's gained via d-bol or an injectible.

[restless]

Why? Can you gain muscle while on d-bol? Yes. You don't lose more muscle when you come off, you just lose more water because you retained more, so the loss in weight is not a true representation of the loss of LBM as most think. Muscle is muscle and regardless of what you used to gain it, it's there and it won't leave any more quickly when you come off if it's gained via d-bol or an injectible.

Right, but the same argument could be used for those who think it actually builds a lot of muscle mass. A lot of it is water.

From personal experience, I lost every single pound I gained on it, even with HCG and nolva, and one of my friends had axactly the same experience. And that's not even mentioning the side effects, which were a lot more evident than anything happening to me on this cycle of 750 mg enanthate and 400 mg of NPP per week.

[gino]

Maybe I'm unique then. I kept just as much LBM after a 6 week d-bol cycle as I did from any injectible. With successful PCT, I usually keep 75% of the gains I make, on average, regardless of what I used.

[restless]

Maybe I'm unique then. I kept just as much LBM after a 6 week d-bol cycle as I did from any injectible. With successful PCT, I usually keep 75% of the gains I make, on average, regardless of what I used.

I know you're not alone in that, but most people who try dbol only cycles end up being disapointed with the results.

[Beast]

I know you're not alone in that, but most people who try dbol only cycles end up being disapointed with the results.
:withstupi

[Slick 25]

I'm satisfied so far..we'll see how it turns up in the end. Thanks for all ur replies, especially Gino...gave me confidence..;)

[Slick 25]

I am currently a week into my d-bol only cycle. I gained 6 lbs in a week. Thats insane. I'm loving this stuff. If it keeps going how it is, i should gain about 30 lbs. How much of that would u say I would keep. I heard u keep about 70% of what you gain. Thanks.. :smoke:

[Beast]

Most - if not all - of those 6 lbs are purely water weight. You will most likely not gain 30 pounds.

[Slick 25]

Ok but of what I gain on this cycle, I will still keep some muscle mass according to Gino. What would you say I would keep? Thanks..

[smalls]

How much you keep is going to depend on a number of things. How much actual muscle you put on, your genetics, your PCT protocol, your diet, and a little luck. But I would say most people would be lucky with maybe 3-4lbs of muscle from a dbol only cycle.

[Slick 25]

damn, thats s**t. I'm really hoping I gain more.

[Koolhoven]

not all of your mass will be lost after stopping with d-boll you just didn't gain as mutch as it look slike because of the water. But the muscle you did gain wil surely stick only the water will be drained. D-bol is a perfectsteroid that can be used on it's own in a beginners cycle or as a kick start in a more advanced cycle.

[Aku]

Dbols alone for a man who achieved his maximum size genetically will help gain some additional muscle minus the water....I for one did.

[AdamGberg]

slick you have any post cycle in mind?

[Slick 25]

No. I'm only running 20 mgs a day as of now. Not seeing any sides, yet..knock on wood. I'm hoping to boost it to 30-35 mgs by the 4th week. My guy said I wouldnt need any post cycle recovery.

[CB]

No. I'm only running 20 mgs a day as of now. Not seeing any sides, yet..knock on wood. I'm hoping to boost it to 30-35 mgs by the 4th week. My guy said I wouldnt need any post cycle recovery.

Better safe then sorry bro.

[Davy]

Just do PCT like it should ... i messed it up by going on vacation so i didnt ate what i had to eat for the day , didnt work out and i faced the loss of about everything -> maybe kept 4 pounds out of 24 pounds and i ran 375mg/sust for 8 weeks with 4 weeks of 35mg dbol ED.

Never gonna **** up PCT again !!! Take it from me cuz i have experienced it ....

[smalls]

Slick, ask "your guy" why the hell you wouldnt need PCT after taking a drug that shuts you down. You need it or you will lose even a larger percentage of your gains. Start reading bro.

[restless]

Slick, ask "your guy" why the hell you wouldnt need PCT after taking a drug that shuts you down. You need it or you will lose even a larger percentage of your gains. Start reading bro.


Someone who sells steroids to a 16 year old probably couldn't care less about any of that....

[Slick 25]

Smalls, by "shutting down" you mean....

[CB]

Any AAS use will shut down your body's own natural testosterone production. This happens because you are putting synthetic forms of testetosterone or its dervitives into your body (ie. - Dbol, Injectable test, and etc), so your body stops making its own natty test. The longer you are on the harder your own natty test will be shut down. This is why your balls shrink when you use AAS. Almost all of your body's natty test is produced in your balls, and when you use AAS, you brain signals your balls to stop making it's own. Your brain is thinking "Why should I make my own testosterone, when I'm getting so much from somewhere else!".

The reason you do PCT is to help aid your body's recovery so that your natty test levels will come back faster so you can support the muscle you gained from your cycle.

[BUFF STUFF]

No. I'm only running 20 mgs a day as of now. Not seeing any sides, yet..knock on wood. I'm hoping to boost it to 30-35 mgs by the 4th week. My guy said I wouldnt need any post cycle recovery.

Your "guy" is an idiot. to avoid gyno and if you wana keep those pounds you been gaining. Then do PCT :study: :study:

[smalls]

Civboy summed it up nicely. Do PCT. There are tons of threads here about how to do it properly.

[BCC]

You're already making a big mistake. At the very least, don't make it a bigger one and do your god damn PCT.

[Slick 25]

Thanks for the info guys. It helped me alot. Another question for ya, wont my natty test levels naturally be brought back to normal with or without PCT?

[BCC]

They will come back without PCT most likely. But during that time, you WILL lose what you gained. It will take much, much longer for them to come back.

So if you're thinking you're not gonna do it and it'll come back on your own. You're right. But you will have also just thrown all your money down the drain.

[Slick 25]

I will also have to spend more money on some nolvadex or clomid. PCT costs money too right Chase?

[CB]

Thats why most of urge that you shouldn't go down this road until you are physically, mentaly, and financially able to. You don't wanna go into this game half-assed in any aspect, whether it comes to training, diet, or drugs.

It's tempting to just do the gear without PCT cuz gear can be found relatively cheap (depending on your source), and more often than not the PCT might cost up to 2 times more than what you paid for the gear, but most of us here would agree that this game ain't cheap. Well...except for those who follow the cycling-for-pennies program...LOL! I think I need to get on that program soon too.

Anyways, the point I was trying to make is that everyone here is just trying to help you by giving you the benfit of our experiences. But in the end what you choose to do with it is up to you.

[thetopdog]

I will also have to spend more money on some nolvadex or clomid. PCT costs money too right Chase?

You can either spend more money now doing PCT, and keep your gains, or you can not do PCT and lose all your gains and possibly even end up smaller than when you started. I know what I would do if it was my money

[DragonRider]

I heard you keep about 70% of what you gain.

If you're using Dbol only you will lose about 125% when you come off.

You will actually be smaller and weaker than before you started your cycle.

[DragonRider]

I will also have to spend more money on some nolvadex or clomid. PCT costs money too right Chase?


Unfortunately, this isn't a hobby for the poor. The cost of protein should cost as much or more than your cycles if you are doing it right.

[DragonRider]

[Quote]My guy said I wouldnt need any post cycle recovery.


[Quote]I'm satisfied so far..we'll see how it turns up in the end. Thanks for all ur replies, especially Gino...gave me confidence..


If you ask enough people, there will always be someone who will tell you what you WANTED to hear. It doesn't make it the truth.
Good luck....You have already made up your mind.

[Slick 25]

How in the hell can you possibly be smaller and weaker than u were before the cycle. That seems impossible to me. Muscle just doesnt "disappear" like that. Sounds like a bunch of bull***** to me. And losing 125% isnt possible either. How soon after the end of the cycle will I start to lose SOME of what I gain??

[smalls]

Yes, it is possible. That's what being "shutdown" can cause. Extremely low test levels can result in losing plenty of muscle, but diet, genetics, training etc are going to effect that. You will probably start losing weight within days of ending the dbol. I can't believe anyone, regardless of age, can disregard good info this blatantly.

[DragonRider]

How in the hell can you possibly be smaller and weaker than u were before the cycle. That seems impossible to me. Muscle just doesnt "disappear" like that. Sounds like a bunch of bull***** to me. And losing 125% isnt possible either. How soon after the end of the cycle will I start to lose SOME of what I gain??

Within 3 to 4 weeks after coming off, your joints hurt so bad you can't lift the weight it takes to maintain your mass.
My very first cycle was a Dbol only cycle. At the time I started I was benching 225 for 4 reps. Within 6 weeks I was benching 225 for 12. 4 weeks after my cycle I couldn't bench 205 without extreme pain.
This was in 1983, I had never heard of PCT back then.
It took me months to get back to where I was before I started. During that time, the muscle I had gained was no longer receiving the benefit of increased nitrogen retention even though my diet did not change.
That coupled with my out of whack test to estrogen levels caused a loss of muscle and a gain in fat that I had never experienced before.
Not everyone experiences this problem, BUT the few who don't are rare.

[CB]

How in the hell can you possibly be smaller and weaker than u were before the cycle. That seems impossible to me. Muscle just doesnt "disappear" like that. Sounds like a bunch of bull***** to me. And losing 125% isnt possible either. How soon after the end of the cycle will I start to lose SOME of what I gain??

I've got a lot of time on my hands lately which is why I'm gonna be nice and take the time to spell this out for you one more time in detail. Keep in mind most people here would just tell you to do your own research or just let you dig your own grave. I am not trying to offend or flame anyone in this post, just educate for those who need it.

So to answer your question, it's possible. Even assuming that your diet and training are flawless, genetics and your body's ability to kickstart it's own test production will be the key factors in determining how much of your gains you will be able to keep if any.

Anytime you adminster any type of exogenous testosterone into your body, your HPTA will start shutting down immediatley. Once this happens your balls start to shrink cuz your brain tells your HPTA to go to sleep. The longer you stay on your cycle, the deeper the sleep your HPTA will fall into. Keep in mind too that certain anabolics will shut you down harder than others as well.

Now let's say you come to the end of your cycle now. And the drug(s) has cleared your system. So as of this moment there is no longer any exogenous test in your system. On top of that, your HPTA is still asleep at the moment. So not only do you not have any synthetic test in your body, but no natty test as well. But what you do have is estrogen running through your system. Now even if the estrogen running through your system is at normal healthy levels, your test levels are next to none at this point and so the Test to Estrogen ratio is tipped in favor of estrogen. Well what do you think all that estrogen is gonna do to you without any test to balance the ratio? Hmm...let's see...I'm thinking fat gain, water gain, muscle loss, and possible breast tissue growth. And all this will keep happening until your HPTA falls out of its deep slumber. Nice!...Isn't it? Maybe this is the reason women hold onto more water and fat, and this might explain why women have tits. Now don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of breasts. I love'em! Don't think I could live without them. Just not when they are growing on me.

Now let's just say, hypothetically speaking of course, that you are a Man's Man, a Champion's Champion, a genetic freak, and untouchable so to speak in terms of the HPTA recovery department...then you will most likely just lose a few pounds of water and you will have made some nice gains that you will keep granted that your diet and training are still on spot. But let's say, again hypothetically speaking, your body is just slower than most people in the HPTA recovery department, and it takes you twice as long as most people to get things up and running again compared to other people. Well in this instance, even if your diet and training are in order, the lack of testosterone in your body will definitely cause you to lose your gains. The longer your testosterone levels stay supressed, the more of your gains you will be likely to lose. It is possible to even lose muscle that you had before you started the cycle, especially if you are overtraining while your HPTA is still trying to recover.

Now whether you are a Man's Man or not so gifted in the HPTA recovery department, ancilliaries like Arimidex, Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG, and etc. help quicken the recovery. Nolvadex and Clomid help to wake up your HPTA faster. It's kind of like when people drink coffee to wake up faster in the morning, well Nolva and Clomid will wake your HPTA/balls up faster. The faster your HPTA/balls wake up, the faster you have test running through your system again. The faster your natty test levels come back to normal, the faster the TEST to Estrogen ratio goes back to normal. On top of that, Nolva and Clomid compete against your body's natural estrogen for estrogen receptor sites, so they in turn block your body's own estrogen from going where it needs to go, so in turn even though your body has estrogen running through it, it can't exert it's effect's(water gain, fat gain, breast tissue development)on you. Now doesn't that sound good!

But don't get me wrong here. Some people are truly gifted and never get any sides from gear use and can recover perfeclty fine without the use of ancilliaries. But some people aren't so lucky. So whether you are gifted or not, wouldn't you want that little extra help/insurance just in case. And even if you don't do PCT for the sake of trying to keep most of your gains, wouldn't you want to do it just in case you are sensitive to estrogen and it's effects? Well I for one definitely would.

Please keep in mind that when the majority of us bros here emphasize the importance of PCT, we're not trying to make you spend more money, nor do we enjoy typing the same advice 50,000 times. I mean think about it, what do we get out of it by telling you besides knowing that we helped you to take the proper precautions, and possibly saving you the trouble of making the same mistakes we might have made when we were newbies. We sure as hell don't get any money for it! Most importantly, you came here looking for knowledge because the Anabolics Game is new to you. In the end, all we can do is share with you our experiences and what we know, but what you do with the it is the important thing.

[Slick 25]

Thanks Civboy

[Slick 25]

To let you guys know, I stopped the cycle. I'm taking ur advice. My test levels are raging at this point in my life and I'm not gonna screw around anymore with this kinda *****. THANKS for all the advice. I'm gonna run some protein and creatine mono right now since I'm only 16, sound good?

[BCC]

Finally!

Good for you bro. All of this did pay off afterall. Keep plugging away man. The gains you can make now at your age if you play your cards right won't be anything short of the gains you'd make with 'assistance'.

Take your protein and your creatine and eat and train like there's no tomorrow.

[CB]

Finally!

Good for you bro. All of this did pay off afterall. Keep plugging away man. The gains you can make now at your age if you play your cards right won't be anything short of the gains you'd make with 'assistance'.

Take your protein and your creatine and eat and train like there's no tomorrow.
:withstupi

[Slick 25]

Good news: I've been off cycle for 4 days. Like you guys said, I lost the poundage I gained in 2 weeks. But fortunately, I gained 4 lbs back amazingly in those 4 days. Creatine, protein, food and animal training. 1 pound a day isn't too shabby, wouldnt you say? Well, I want to thank you guys again for helping me with my stupid mistakes. I'm really ashamed of myself...

[Maki Riddington]

I think everyone is just glad you listened.:)

[Shark]

Word.