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ogarchamplin
04-24-2004, 10:44 AM
New Diet plan per the Nutrionlist

http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid4178985

ecliptic
04-24-2004, 10:52 AM
That looks pretty cool man.

Holto
04-24-2004, 12:30 PM
no veggies...

Holto
04-24-2004, 12:30 PM
good for building muscle though

ogarchamplin
04-24-2004, 12:51 PM
no veggies...

Look under meals three and five under carbs..there is Veggies

Holto
04-24-2004, 02:39 PM
I'll reword it...

absolutely no emphasis on veggies...

if you give a client a choice on veggies 9/10 will avoid them altoghether

1 cup of veggies is only two servings...

Holto
04-24-2004, 02:40 PM
I say this as I eat my 4 cup salad listening to my boneless skinless chicken breast cook on the foreman

krazcanuk
04-24-2004, 04:24 PM
WHat bars on the list of approved bars?

ogarchamplin
04-24-2004, 04:34 PM
WHat bars on the list of approved bars?

Carb Control Advant-Edge Bars by EAS
Strive by Biochem
Triple Delicious by Strenght Systems USA
Pria by Power Bar-Low Carb/Carb Select
Lean Body by Labrada Nutrition
Lean Body Carb Watchers by Labrada Nutrition
Protein Plus by MetRX
Protein Plus by Power Bar
Atkins Advantage Bars by Atkins Nutritionals
Pure Protein by Worldwide Nutrition
All In One by Dexatrim

WillKuenzel
04-25-2004, 01:09 AM
How much do you weigh? What is your LBM? How many calories are in that diet? If the nutrionalists can't tell you that, they have no business telling you what to eat. Depending on such, a major drop in calories like that (unless those bars are loaded with calories) will put you into starvation mode really quick and you'll see an increase of fat and a drop in LBM.

ogarchamplin
04-25-2004, 04:40 AM
How much do you weigh? What is your LBM? How many calories are in that diet? If the nutrionalists can't tell you that, they have no business telling you what to eat. Depending on such, a major drop in calories like that (unless those bars are loaded with calories) will put you into starvation mode really quick and you'll see an increase of fat and a drop in LBM.

I weigh 346lbs and have a lean muscle mass of 201.5lbs..

prof
04-26-2004, 06:56 AM
lean muscle mass of 201.5lbs.. wow thats some serious muscle in there somewhere

I'm 200lbs total

Holto
04-26-2004, 12:02 PM
How many calories are in that diet?

I'm curios to know as well

you seem to be eating the right foods with good scheduling....but your totals are all over the place day to day 1800-2300

I don't really see a problem with this as long as weekly totals are in check but if you are not losing that would be something to address

ogarchamplin
04-26-2004, 02:58 PM
I'm curios to know as well

you seem to be eating the right foods with good scheduling....but your totals are all over the place day to day 1800-2300

I don't really see a problem with this as long as weekly totals are in check but if you are not losing that would be something to address

Well now i have a daily plan to follow so today was my first day and you can see what i ate on my journal but here is the claoric count

Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1360
Fat: 49 438 33%
Sat: 13 116 9%
Poly: 11 103 8%
Mono: 16 145 11%
Carbs: 75 259 20%
Fiber: 10 0 0%
Protein: 155 621 47%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

ogarchamplin
04-26-2004, 03:03 PM
lean muscle mass of 201.5lbs.. wow thats some serious muscle in there somewhere

I'm 200lbs total

Yeah but its covered by 150lbs of FAT

Spartacus
04-26-2004, 03:05 PM
with that much fat i don't think you have to worry about "starvation mode" anytime soon

listing fruit, vegetables, and grains (beans too i suppose) all as "carbs" seems a bit silly to me. a cup of broccoli has, maybe 25 calories, and half a cup of oats is 150 iirc.

its just pretty vague. i think its a lot more important to think in terms of getting enough veggie servings, enough fruit, enough protein, total calories, dairy, etc, instead of a particular macronutrient ratio

Holto
04-26-2004, 09:08 PM
WOW

1300 is pretty low

you would burn that just living not to mention training...

keep an eye on how you feel ie: symptoms of low blood sugar

with an intake that low I strongly recommend a refeed day every 5-7 days

that will keep your glycogen stores up, metabolism humming along and training productively

btw...did you tell her that you are tearing up weights and how many days you train ?

very important...

I'm 218 now (can't train) and am cutting on 2500

ogarchamplin
04-26-2004, 09:23 PM
WOW

1300 is pretty low

you would burn that just living not to mention training...

keep an eye on how you feel ie: symptoms of low blood sugar

with an intake that low I strongly recommend a refeed day every 5-7 days

that will keep your glycogen stores up, metabolism humming along and training productively

btw...did you tell her that you are tearing up weights and how many days you train ?

very important...

I'm 218 now (can't train) and am cutting on 2500

this is the routine she has given me. So far the only effect of the low cal is a headache

Exercise Routine

Day 1
Hammer Incline Press: 3 sets of 12-15 reps
Wide Grip Pull Downs: 3 sets of 12-15 reps
Skull Crushers: 3 sets of 12-15 reps
T-Bar Rows: 3 sets of 12-15 reps
Dumbbell Shoulder Presses: 3 sets of 12-15 reps
Barbell Curls: 3 sets of 12-15 reps
Cardio

Day 2
Triceps Pushdowns: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Cable Curls: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Side Laterals: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Front Raises: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Abs: 3 sets max reps
Cardio


Day 3
Cardio


Day 4
Leg Press: 3 sets 15-20 reps
Leg Ext: 3 sets 15-20 reps
Seated Leg Curls: 3 sets 15-20 reps
Calf Raises: 3 sets 15-20 reps
Cardio
Abs


Day 5
Seated Row: 3sets 15-20 reps
Narrow Lat Pull down: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Flat Dumbbell Presses: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Cybex Fly Machine: 3 sets 12-15 reps

Day 6
Cardio
Abs: 3 sets max reps

Day 7
Cardio
__________________

Spartacus
04-26-2004, 09:42 PM
looks like a good way to get depleted if you want to lose weight quickly.

Holto
04-26-2004, 10:49 PM
1300 cals training 7 days a week...

it just dosen't add up to a safe regimen to me

based on that you should lose 5lbs a week so if you don't I wouldn't continue to follow it

the headache is caused by low blood sugar

Holto
04-26-2004, 10:53 PM
post the actual routine in training and see what the guys say

I think it's pretty suspect...

I don't want to comment though especially since you paid for it

Spartacus
04-26-2004, 11:56 PM
1300 cals training 7 days a week...

it just dosen't add up to a safe regimen to me

based on that you should lose 5lbs a week so if you don't I wouldn't continue to follow it

the headache is caused by low blood sugar


yeah, you're probably near ketosis, which will cause headache. if is a big deal either increase or decrease cabrs.

ogarchamplin
04-27-2004, 05:07 AM
the headache is caused by low blood sugar

Its worse than my Aspartame headaches..i did post it in training and it did not go over well

Holto
04-27-2004, 10:27 AM
refund???

AllUp
04-28-2004, 02:01 PM
1300 cals training 7 days a week...

it just dosen't add up to a safe regimen to me

based on that you should lose 5lbs a week so if you don't I wouldn't continue to follow it

the headache is caused by low blood sugar
Exactly.
Someone your size should be aiming for roughly 4k cals assuming exercise for a roughly estimated 2lb/week drop. You have to consider all the muscle thats present burning cals and your RMR as well as the extra resistance of the surplus weight. Also, I would monitor BF%age.

Also Headaches and dizziness used to hit me big-time initially when i went on my first major diet. especially upon major cal deficits and additional phases of carb restriction.

Also, going that low for exercise/weights 7days/week will eventually take its toll.

ogarchamplin
04-28-2004, 02:11 PM
Exactly.
Someone your size should be aiming for roughly 4k cals assuming exercise for a roughly estimated 2lb/week drop. You have to consider all the muscle thats present burning cals and your RMR as well as the extra resistance of the surplus weight. Also, I would monitor BF%age.

Also Headaches and dizziness used to hit me big-time initially when i went on my first major diet. especially upon major cal deficits and additional phases of carb restriction.

This person has had a lot of success with people. Their is over 600 clients and my father-in law's friend went to her and has won award for his age class(older) in BB plus she was a BB once too