1-AD, 4AD, 6 0X0 It Begins

[harryhoudini66]

Ordered my cycle today and want your opinions.


Four Week Cycle 1-AD 600MG, 4AD 400MG daily

PCT 6 0x0

1- 2 Week 600MG
3-4 Week 400MG
5 Week 200MG

Other Supplements
Creatine with Dextrose
1-2 Gallons of Water
Milk Thistle during cycle and PCT (suggestions on dosage)
Green Tea 600MG Daily
Fish Oil Caps
MultiVitamin

Calories 2700-3000 Daily (45/35/25)

[Jasonl]

Houdini, I would do it like this:

Week 1:1-AD 400mg/4-AD 200mg
Week 2: 1-AD 600mg/4-AD 400mg
Week 3: 1-AD 600mg/4-AD 400mg
Week 4: 1-AD 600mg/4-AD 400mg

Milk thistle: 600mg daily, not on cycle. 2 weeks prior and 2 weeks after.

PCT looks ok, but I suggest you pick up some nolva, especially if you're prone to gyno.

[harryhoudini66]

Were can I hook up with Nolva though.


Also, I read that 1-AD does not cause Gyno. Would it be the 4AD?

[Holto]

yeah the 4-Ad converts a bit

which is why you stack with it...it pulls some water into your joints etc..

[harryhoudini66]

also isnt it debatable about the nolva vs 6 0x0 right?

[Jasonl]

You're much better off with nolva, the 6 0X0 won't do much if gyno starts to develop. Nolva is cheaper and better than the 6, but the 6 should be ok. I just suggest you get some nolva in case.

[HahnB]

http://www.freedom-pharmacy.net/buy_online/name_drug/Genox.shtml

You should see great results.

[Saint Patrick]

*Bookmarked*

Awesome Link HahnB.

[shootermcgavin7]

Jason,
You could be right, but I personally don't see much of a need for milk thistle and nolva on a 1-AD cycle.

M1T I used both (as well as others), but 1-AD wasn't as strong, I used less 4-AD because the sides weren't nearly as bad, which reduced the need for nolva.

I did fine for 6-OXO Pct for the 1-AD cycle

Also, I had always understood that the 1-AD cycle wasn't very hard on the liver, why the milk thistle?

[Jasonl]

Jason,
You could be right, but I personally don't see much of a need for milk thistle and nolva on a 1-AD cycle.

M1T I used both (as well as others), but 1-AD wasn't as strong, I used less 4-AD because the sides weren't nearly as bad, which reduced the need for nolva.

I did fine for 6-OXO Pct for the 1-AD cycle

Also, I had always understood that the 1-AD cycle wasn't very hard on the liver, why the milk thistle?
IMO, it's mostly for piece of mind. It's lilkely that the nolva will not be needed and the 6 will be plenty good enough, but nolva is cheap and I think it is well worth it, becuase stuff can happen. Also, you're right about milk thistle, probably not really needed, but again, it's cheap and it's good for your liver, so I really see no reason not to use it. You can get 250 200mg caps from Costco for $15, well worth it IMO.

[harryhoudini66]

I am going to get it for the peace of mind. Just in case.


I cant seem to buy it. I click on buy, but the cart is empty.


Edit: Browser was buggy got it now. How much should I get? 20MG or 10MG. They both come in 30 Tabs.

[geoffgarcia]

why are your calories going to be so low?
wouldn't you rather take all this ish on a bulk? when your body is in a more anabolic state and your primed for growth?

[HahnB]

*Bookmarked*

Awesome Link HahnB.
:) It says it helps treat breast cancer, what's that all about?

[ryuage]

nolva is used to treat breast cancer patients, Im guessing because of its effect of lowering estrogen in the body

[EdgarMex]

nolva is used to treat breast cancer patients, Im guessing because of its effect of lowering estrogen in the body

It blocks estrogen receptors.


And I'm with Geoff, you could take better advantage of the cycle on a bulk. For cutting UD2 is worth a try.

[Jasonl]

I am going to get it for the peace of mind. Just in case.


I cant seem to buy it. I click on buy, but the cart is empty.


Edit: Browser was buggy got it now. How much should I get? 20MG or 10MG. They both come in 30 Tabs.
I'd get the 10mg tabs for felxibility, even though you'll probably never go below 20mg.

[GrumpyTX]

http://www.freedom-pharmacy.net/buy_online/name_drug/Genox.shtml

You should see great results.


How legit is the site. Just checking, they have a few things I been looking for but seem to be a little $$$ but I am not real sure of the going rate anyways so they might be good prices.

[HahnB]

How legit is the site. Just checking, they have a few things I been looking for but seem to be a little $$$ but I am not real sure of the going rate anyways so they might be good prices.

Never ordered from them yet, but may in the future.

[ecliptic]

im not really sure about hte legitamacy of that site. It seems almost like another scam site. They do sell vicodin, valium, and some other opiates that are illegal to be shipped in the US without a perscription.. so im not sure what to think. Someone who orders from there please let me know because I am interested.

[shootermcgavin7]

I've used 1-AD on a cut before and it helped me hold lbm much better than on prior cuts.

The trick is to either use 2 weeks on/2 off or to coincide PCT with the end of your cut so you can slightly raise calories.

For an 8 week cut; I've used 4 natural, 4 with a 1-AD/4-AD; and then started PCT at the end of the cut.

[harryhoudini66]

3500-4000 then. I dont want to get fat though. I mean I was fat for about 7 years until recently.

[Beast]

3500-4000 then. I dont want to get fat though. I mean I was fat for about 7 years until recently.
I'd stick to 3000, then.

[Jasonl]

3500-4000 then. I dont want to get fat though. I mean I was fat for about 7 years until recently.
Don't worry about adding a little fat while on your cycle, the extra muscle will make it all worth it.

[harryhoudini66]

Cool. I think I will do 2800-3000 then just to be on the safe side. The result I have read about have occured with increases of 500-1000 more calories.

[Shark]

Harry, just a warning. I did a 1-AD cycle in college (lets be honest, it wasn't a cycle, i just bought the bottle and took the crap) no PCT no nothing, anyway, the point is that I experienced bad sides. I know you have done your research and all but acne, hair loss, and worst of all for me, the growth of back hair all came as a result of this stuff. yuck.

Anyway, my advice would be that if you start to experience anything stop taking it asap. It's not worth all that funky stuff.

[HahnB]

I agree watch out for sides- but on a side note I didn't experience a single side effect. No testical shrinkage, no acne- nothing. So hopefully everything goes well for you:)

[harryhoudini66]

I just found out my stuff was delivered today but nobody told me. Dam bastards.

[Jasonl]

crussow, it sounds like you got all the worst sides, that really sucks man. Usually if you'll experience sides if you're already predisposed to them(I.E. thinning hair, BAD acne, etc.).

[harryhoudini66]

Good to hear man. I was so worried there about the hair loss. Maybe even more then gyno.

[geoffgarcia]

Harry, just a warning. I did a 1-AD cycle in college (lets be honest, it wasn't a cycle, i just bought the bottle and took the crap) no PCT no nothing, anyway, the point is that I experienced bad sides. I know you have done your research and all but acne, hair loss, and worst of all for me, the growth of back hair all came as a result of this stuff. yuck.

Anyway, my advice would be that if you start to experience anything stop taking it asap. It's not worth all that funky stuff.
were your sides permanent?
or did your hair grow back? back hair slow/die, etc?

[EdgarMex]

Hair loss is supposed to be permanet, if you lose it it won't come back

[ryuage]

unless you are already balding or it is within your genes I wouldn't sweat it.

[Shark]

That's the odd thing for me, hair loss is not in my genes, and no, it did not grow back. Also, there are no hairy backed men in my family (or women for that matter) and that too did not stop growing and fade away. The acne on the back on shoulders was something that I experienced in college for a while but was never a "huge" thing, it did get much worse on 1-AD though but it has since subsided to almost nothing. The hair loss did not continue after I stopped the 1-AD either. And the back hair did not get any worse.

[Beast]

I guess the hair loss gene spontaneously appeared for you, cruss.

After I had stopped my cycle and during the 6-oxo treatment, I definitely did get some gyno, so 1AD or maybe even 6oxo can definitely give it to you. Right when I got it I stopped the 6oxo and it stopped getting worse, but it is still there. I can feel it. :eek:

[ryuage]

you got gyno from pct rather then using the 1ad?

[EdgarMex]

It was probably due to the lower testosterone levels after the cycle was finished and the 6-OXO didn't do much to stop it

[Jasonl]

Nolva is def. the way to go.

[harryhoudini66]

I have found plenty of places to get Nolva but I am not sure if they are scams. Can anyone PM a link to a site they have actually ordered from?

I see that Sav-On and Walgreens has it but I am sure you need a prescription. I have a few friends in the medical field so I may try that way but I would rather not.

[harryhoudini66]

Thanks guys for the help.


For the liquid Nolva, how much would you recommend I take? Lets say I have a 50ml bottle and each ml has 20mg.

Should I take 2ml daily for a couple of weeks or eauql to the amount of the cycle?

I figure I would only use it if I see the 6 0x0 is not working.

[Jasonl]

I'd take Nolva like this PCT:
Week1:40mg
Week2:40mg
Week3:30mg
Week4:20mg

Assuming you're still doing a 4-week cycle.

[harryhoudini66]

Yes I am doing a four week cycle, but think I will only use the Nolva if I see the 6 0x0 is not working. After all, I have allready paid for two bottles of the stuff.

[harryhoudini66]

start this cycle tomorrow. I will keep you posted.

The Nolva arrives on Tuesday.

[BIG C]

1-AD and 4-AD who are they made by? I guess they are pro-horm?

Do they really work?

[Saint Patrick]

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[shootermcgavin7]

I guess they are pro-horm?

Do they really work?


Yes and yes.

[sharpskin69]

what about 6 0X0 for 1-test 4-ad? Would nolva be a better choice? Whats the dosing on nolva anyways?

[harryhoudini66]

Nolva for me would be

Week1 40MG daily
Week2 40MG daily
Week2 30MG daily
Week4 20 MG daily

I dont plan on using the Nolva unless I see the 60x0 does not work. I paid lots of cash for it so should use it. I wish I had known about Nolva before, Everyone says it is better and it is much less.

[VampyreGTX]

I have found plenty of places to get Nolva but I am not sure if they are scams. Can anyone PM a link to a site they have actually ordered from?


Could you guys PM the sites for this as well? I'm not really worried about sides as I haven't had issue before, but I'd rather play it safe!