H. M. Gear

[Marcmjc]

Hey guys , any advice would be greatly appreciated. I am using H. M. Gear Advance 4-AD and Burn Free 1-Test. I am injecting into my glutes. Using 3/4 to 1 ml of Advance 4-AD 2x a week and 1ml of 1-test each day for a 4 week cycle. Anyone out there tried this stack? Anything else I should or could stack with this? I have tried to contact H.M. Gear but no luck. I have been stuck at 185# at 5'8" for way too long and needed to try something new and different. I also have a prescription of Andro Gel 5% but have laid off of it for the last 2 week off cycle along with off of the other AS stacks and am seeing what the two H.M. Gear products do, or should I continue with the Andro Gel topical with the Gear Stack? thx

[ryuage]

i didnt know people injected ph's =\ why not use the real thing if thats the case.

[Budiak]

Hm.

People do inject some prohormones, its coming into vogue. I don't like it. It's going to make them really illegal really fast.

The first questions that come to my mind are:

1: What is the total dose you are getting? MLs don't mean jack **** unless we know the potency of the solution.

2: How long have you been on this stack?

3: Whats your diet and training?


In fact, there should be a sticky that includes a rubric regarding posts about steroid cycles, prohormone cycles, and even advanced non-anabolic supplement cycles.

[Shao-LiN]

If you're down with injecting, why not use the real thing?

[Marcmjc]

H. M. Gear is the only pure and sterile prohormone which is designed to be injected even though legally they cannot market it that way. They have designed the bottle so that a 32 gauge needle works great. Check with the June issue of Muscular Developement and you will find an article. If you can find H.M. Gear stock up because it will not last long before it is pulled from the shelf. As far as why not use a Steriod, well because with a product like H.M> Gear you have a security of a pure product instead of injecting a substance that may not be pure. Guys have had great gains on this stuff. I was simply checking into the stack of the two products, Advance 4-AD and Burn Free 1-Test.

[Marcmjc]

MLs do mean "jack" if you know the product. If you do not know the product than a reply would be worthless. Diet and Training? dang man that is such a lame question, of course diet and training is in the picture.

Not all, if there even is any other prohormone product other than H.M. Gear, would be wise nor advisable to inject. If you are a novice than don't mess around with injections.

[Max0d]

When you say you have been stuck at 185lb for too long how long is too long. Is it too long while taking the PH as well? As far as what Budiak said that ml dont mean jack is a very valid point. I am assuming his frame of refference are AAS which have a mg/ml measure. Whats the recommended dose? Dont quote me on this but for good gains on PH you generally need to take 2-3 times the 'recomended dose'. Additionally how is your diet and training the PHs aint gonna do jack unless your getting your daily requirements.

[Holto]

Diet and Training? dang man that is such a lame question, of course diet and training is in the picture

this allways comes up here

it would be irresponsible of us to not throw it in there

there is no reason to be stuck at 185 if you know how to use nutrition to facilitate your goals

there is no pathway for a calorie to leave your body except as kinetic energy and heat

what I'm saying is if you are stuck at 185 your diet is the ONLY thing to blame and it tells us you don't know how to eat to gain

this makes us wonder if you are dieting properly to get the best gains from a PH cycle

[Severed Ties]

People do inject some prohormones, its coming into vogue. I don't like it. It's going to make them really illegal really fast.





Too late, the ban has already passed legislation. Prohormones are being re-classified as anabolic steroids and fall under schedule III control laws.

I believe this takes effect January 2005


ST

[Max0d]

Too late, the ban has already passed legislation. Prohormones are being re-classified as anabolic steroids and fall under schedule III control laws.
Does anyone know how this affect other countries? The UK for example.

[Severed Ties]

US based prohomone manufacturing and sale will stop, thats about it.

ST

[beefycalves]

severed-
who are your sources? The bill has not even made it to the house or senate floor it still being investigated by the energy and commerce committee

[Severed Ties]

The owner of VPX nutrition says it's not official but it's a done deal. Right now there just trying to delay the ban like they did with epedra.

H.M gear has some info on there site as they had to stop producing most of there products for the same reason. The impression I've been given is like when congress banned anabolic steroids they will have to actually list all the prohormones that are being reclassified as anabolic steroids. Since companies are still dicovering new hormonal supplements some supplements will slip through the cracks but it's not looking good.

ST

[Budiak]

You had better check your attitude, son.

Diet and training is in the picture but apparently something is wrong because you've been stuck at the same weight for a long time. Tell us what your training and diet is or shut the **** up and perpetuate the status quo until you wake up in a year at the same weight minus a few hundred dollars worth of prohormones.

And to address the dose, since there are so many products on the market now both out of legit and illegal sources, you can't possibly expect everybody to be familiar with your chosen stack.

As for injecting prohormones, pretty much any compound can be made from raw powder to be injected. Don't trust that claim just because they made it and you bought the product.

Don't be so defensive. If you want help, give us the information. See what has happened in all of these posts? Nothing. You've gotten no help. If you tell us a few things, then we can help you. If you don't want to give us the information, then just click the little button at the top right of your browser that contains the 'X.'

[Shao-LiN]

I'd agree. Prohormone dosage is all fine and dandy, but if you aren't eating enough, then that's still your problem. If anything, prohormones/AAS call for you to eat more.