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lex
06-03-2004, 01:49 PM
does this sound like a cereal u guys would eat?..im trying to put on some muscle and looking for more calories..i want to add this to my breakfast but i want an opinion first

http://www.food-stats.com/Breakfast_Cereals/Cereals_ready_to_eat_KASHI_GoLEAN_CRUNCH_by_KELLOGG.html

Jezmason
06-03-2004, 01:51 PM
With 17.5 g of protein a serving i definetly would eat it.

Shark
06-03-2004, 01:56 PM
If it tastes decent i would eat it. By why not just make breakfast eggs, oats, ww toast with natty pb and jam, english muffins, oj, milk... all good breakfast foods to pick and choose from

lex
06-03-2004, 02:15 PM
wow i love this forum...everybody responds so quickly! the other forum i been posting at id have to wait like at least a day for a reply..cool!

lex
06-03-2004, 02:16 PM
another thing..since i got your attention..i weigh 148 lbs and i eat about 1900 calories a day..i think i have a pretty high body fat considering im 6 feet tall, only 148 and i have vey visible fat =]..is 1900 too little still?

Bboy486
06-03-2004, 02:20 PM
lex eat more calories (nutrient rich that is)

im 5'7" 153 and I eat 3100/day. Oh course I am bulking.

How expensive is that cereal? Have you tasted it yet?

Jasonl
06-03-2004, 02:21 PM
The go-lean is good, as for as nutrition goes, but it tastes like rocks. "Optimum Slim" ceral is what I would use. You can get it at Trader Joe's.

1900 cals is quite low, I would try for at least 2500 and go from there. You probably need to add muscle, judging by your height and weight, if you want to see more muscle.

cphafner
06-03-2004, 02:29 PM
I eat Go-Lean. Not the best tasting, and a bit expensive, but its a decent choice for cals.

lex
06-03-2004, 02:32 PM
hmmm ok ill see..im just afraid ill get more fat than i already have..take a look at my diet..well ive adjusted it a little..but this is basically it..tell me what u think

http://www.weightlossfriends.com/index.php/plan/show/491

Jasonl
06-03-2004, 03:34 PM
You need way more calories, plus you need to add fat to that diet. Don't be afraid of getting a little fat while bulking, it comes with the territory. Afterall, that's what cutting is for.

lex
06-03-2004, 03:39 PM
give me good bulking type foods PLEASE

hehe sorry im so annoying..its what i do =\

ectx
06-03-2004, 03:47 PM
Kashi Go Lean is a good cereal. Add some whole or 2% milk, some berries, etc, and you're set.

aka23
06-03-2004, 03:53 PM
does this sound like a cereal u guys would eat?..im trying to put on some muscle and looking for more calories..i want to add this to my breakfast but i want an opinion first

http://www.food-stats.com/Breakfast_Cereals/Cereals_ready_to_eat_KASHI_GoLEAN_CRUNCH_by_KELLOGG.html

Note that aproximately 1/4 of the cereal's calories come from added sugar (in the form of evaporated cane juice). In my opinion, there are many superior alternatives.

aidano
06-03-2004, 03:58 PM
Just eat oatmeal and some artificial sweetner.

lex
06-03-2004, 04:00 PM
hmm ok..well now i just have to make the appropriate adjustments to my diet..just one last question and you guys are off the hook heh..what would be the best carbs to protein ratio? or does it matter?

ecliptic
06-03-2004, 04:08 PM
Well it depends on whether your cutting or bulking. I tend to stick to 40% protein, 30% carbs and 30% fats.. but then again, im cutting. You probably want to increase your carb percentage if your bulking.

kAiXuan
06-04-2004, 01:46 AM
go lean tastes fine to me..........$3 a box is not that expensive

lex
06-04-2004, 08:09 AM
all this diet crap seems so complicated..blah blah this blah blah that..anybody want to help me one on one..i been reading that it matters what foods u eat at what teams..to work out between certain meals..and the entire organization of this..if anybody wants to help me out let me know and ill give you my instant messaging screenname..it would be GREATLY appreciated!!!!!!

lex
06-04-2004, 08:32 AM
by the way..it would be preferred if u have AIM...somebody?! anybody?! HELPPPPPPPP *runs wildly*

Bboy486
06-04-2004, 09:16 AM
lex what exactly do you wanna know?

do yo uhave specific questions?

Just note that people will never 100% agree on everything. so it is a very much trial and error methology until you begin to understand your body and how it processes food. ~ Everyone is different

lex
06-04-2004, 09:30 AM
well ill post up my adjusted diet later and give me advice..ppl have been giving me info and its been useful..

lex
06-04-2004, 10:10 AM
Workout before everything

7:30 am
-1 cup Kashi GoLean Cereal 190 Cal, 3 Fat, 36 Carbs, 9 Protein
-1 scoop Protein Powder 120 Cal, 2 Fat, 4 Carbs, 20 Protein
-2 scoop non fat dry milk (mixed into powder) 122 Cal, 0 Fat, 18 Carbs, 12 Protein

10:30 am
-1 Bagel 288 Cal, 2 Fat, 58 Carbs, 10 Protein

1:30 pm
-1 can of tuna 221 Cal, 5 Fat, 0 Carbs, 41 Protein
-2 slices of wheat bread 130 Cal, 2 Fat, 24 Carbs, 5 Protein
-1 banana 109 Cal, .5 Fat, 28 Carbs,1 Protein

4:30 pm
-1 cup low fat yogurt 250 Cal, 3 Fat, 47 Carbs, 11 Protein
-1 slice of wheat bread 65 Cal, 1 Fat, 12 Carbs, 2.5 Protein
-2 tbsp natural PB 200 Cal, 15 Fat, 6 Carbs, 9 Protein

7:30 pm
-2 Chicken Breasts 195 Cal, 5 Fat, .5 Carbs, 35 Protein
-1 cup white rice 206 Cal, .5 Fat, 45 Carbs, 4 Protein
-1.5 cup tossed salad 34 Cal, 0 Fat, 7 Carbs, 2.5 Protein

9:00 pm
-1/2 cup mixed nuts 407 Cal, 35 Fat, 17 Carbs, 12 Protein


TOTAL 2537 Cal, 74 Fat, 302.5 Carbs, 174 Protein

now keep in mind that im 6'0, 148 lbs, mostly fat w/ little or no muscle
please comment and help me out on how to arrange it and opinionate it

Bboy486
06-04-2004, 11:00 AM
Im not an expert, but just compared to how I achieve my diet I would make the following comments:

1. If you work out early morning i have two suggestions, a. eat carbs before like bread and jelly, or a roll with splenda, this will give you some energy for your workout. b. have a protein shake twice a day before and after your workout, this will give your body nutrients before your workout, to draw on, and after your workout, when you have depleted your nutrients, you will replenish afterwards.

2. switch your 10:30 bagel with natty Oatmeal, much healthier and a better source of carbs and protein.

3. get rid of your 2 wheat breads at 1:30, since you will be getting bread before your workout.

4. change your white rice to brown or another type of rice, white is the least desirable type, and if you MUST have it its fine, however it is not the most optimal form.
5. Tossed salad plain? thats good for roughage.
6. get your mixed nuts at 1:30 instead at 9, I feel that is too late for it (other will disagree) instead have cottage cheese and fruit. Has good carb/protein/and fat into it. A little bit of a more complete pre bed snack.

7. add flaxseed oil with your second shake (1 teaspoon) = (cal)120 (f)14 (c)0 (p)0


Your carbs seem way to high, hence the fat and little/no muscle.
look on this board for peoples recommendation on the breakdown % of carbs, fats, and protein. Also I dont see any eggs in your diet. I have 2 eggs a day (i make omellettes) the egg is an excellent source of Protein and should take the place of your carb intense foods.

for instance, in comparasion with you this is my % breakdown:

Total: 3014
source grams cals %total
Fat: 103 927 32%
Carbs: 239 865 30%
Protein:275 1101 38%

So my ideal % for me is (f)30/(c)30/(p)40 - That is how I have been maintaining at least.

I hope this helped a little bit, and remember this is just one guys opinion.

lex
06-04-2004, 11:32 AM
what is this "natty" oatmeal..ive tried to look it up but all i see is natty PB...

thnx for the help man

Bboy486
06-04-2004, 11:33 AM
natural. real oatmeal not processed Quaker Oats makes mine

lex
06-04-2004, 12:03 PM
i hear its bad to eat after like 8 pm..is there any truth to this??

lex
06-04-2004, 02:23 PM
:help: first time nobody has quickly responded..haha guess i better get used to it

AllUp
06-10-2004, 11:51 AM
Naw man, we're not like gremlins where we cant be fed past ##:##pm. :)

If you have anything before bed, make sure its a somewhat small meal and has little or no high-GI carbs. Personally I stay away from them early morning and at night as I have carb intake more or less revolve around my workout time, both pre and post.

Augury
06-10-2004, 01:11 PM
Regarding eating late....nothing wrong with it. If you find it uncomfortable to sleep on solid food make a little shake up with prot,carb,fat and fiber. Personally i eat a 1/4 cup of cottage cheese (for the caesin), a little whey and a bit of oats and milks. Ive also blended the oats, milk and whey and had it as a shake and then yummed down the cottage cheese and gone to bed. Cottage cheese also makes you dream of beautiful girls...so its gotta be good. The caesin in it is a slow releasing version of protein unlike whey that spikes pretty fast. The cottage cheese will help keep you anabilic throughout the nighttime fast.

Regarding your diet....the new adjusted one looks lots better and Bboy486 was making sterling suggestions. i still am not sure from reading your posts if you are cutting or bulking though. From your stats i am pretty sure you should be bulking. Dont worry about adding a little fat as you bulk. it cannot be helped. controled yes, stopped not really. The muscle mass gained will make you look a lot better and then you can spend 4-8 weeks cutting off the fat and ta da....you are ripped and ready to bulk again :)

lex
06-10-2004, 01:20 PM
yeah at nighttime ive been drinking a shake with 1 cup milk, a banana, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, and a scoop whey