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virus
07-12-2004, 11:46 PM
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How would a typical M4OHN cutting cycle be, if used alone?
I heard that you must eat a bit over maintainance in order
not to lose any muscle/strength, maybe some of you guys
who have used m4ohn to cut can explain. When did you start
seeing/feeling a difference?

How does this look for someone who is 6'3", 215 lbs, 33in waist?
5 Week M4OHN Cutting Cycle:

Week 1: M4OHN 16mg (split up 4x a day), Pro-Liver tabs
Week 2: M4OHN 20mg (split up 4x a day), Pro-Liver tabs
Week 3: M4OHN 24mg (split up 4x a day), Pro-Liver tabs
Week 4: M4OHN 24mg (split up 4x a day), Pro-Liver tabs
Week 5: M4OHN 28mg (split up 4x a day), Pro-Liver tabs

Cardio would consist of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu / Muay Thai kickboxing
2 nights a week (2 hours each day), and running once or twice
a week for 35 minutes.

Full body muscle workout 3x a week, starting with a different set of
muscle group each day.

Of course, I would be eating 6+ times a day. Smaller, high protien
meals, with high "good" carbs.

PCT would be 4 weeks:
Week 1: Nolva 60mg, Liver tabs, R-ALA, Saw Palmetto, ZMA.
Week 2: Nolva 40mg, Liver tabs, R-ALA, Saw Palmetto, ZMA.
Week 3: Nolva 30mg, Liver tabs, R-ALA, Saw Palmetto, ZMA.
Week 4: Nolva 20mg, Liver tabs, R-ALA, Saw Palmetto, ZMA.

How does that look? How much lbs of fat loss is ideal for a cycle
like the one I posted? Would I gain some strength/muscle gains,
and how much lbs of that is ideal?

Thanks.

Saint Patrick
07-13-2004, 12:25 AM
Maybe I'm behind the times, but I've never heard of M40HN. What's the ingredient?

virus
07-13-2004, 12:39 AM
Technical Name:
17a-methyl-4 hydroxy nandrolone

Description:
M4OHN is an active hormone, it does not require a conversion to a target hormone such as 4AD Cyp. It is a Nandrolone derivative however the 4-OH group added inhibits a conversion to DHT (dihydrotestosterone) or DHN (dihydronandrolone) making this a mildly androgenic and highly anabolic compound. There is also no conversion to estrogen (Rubin et al. Endrocinol., 49, 1951, p. 429); or progesterone (McPhail, 3. Physiol. 83,1955, p. 145). Mg to Mg comparison M4OHN is 10x more anabolic then Anavar.

Benefits:
Increases in lean mass as well as moderate strength gains. Increased nitrogen retention, making the body a more anabolic environment. Central Nervous System (CNS) stimulation, not in a jittery ephedrine type feeling but you should be able to sleep less and still feel refreshed upon waking. Less time is needed for recovery between sets and workouts. There should be no decrease in sex drive, and should help with joint pain. Increases in the ability to lose fat while increasing vascularity.

Xg74
07-13-2004, 07:56 AM
4-6 weeks, that cycle looks good, I've never been able to find Nolva, or clomid though, ever dammit. M4OHN is an excellent substance, I am stacking it with Mdien right now for a cutting cycle. You'll actually probably feel more energy taking it, and not much lethargy, which helps with a cut of course.

Shao-LiN
07-13-2004, 11:21 AM
Nolva and clomid are prescription meds, I believe. So if you're looking for them thru traditional supplement stores, you won't find them.

TBone4Eva
07-13-2004, 11:57 AM
4-6 weeks, that cycle looks good, I've never been able to find Nolva, or clomid though, ever dammit. M4OHN is an excellent substance, I am stacking it with Mdien right now for a cutting cycle. You'll actually probably feel more energy taking it, and not much lethargy, which helps with a cut of course.
How long have you been on these substances and what kind of results have you gotten? I've seen mixed reviews, but mostly those who say they are not seeing any real gains on either of these two.

Saint Patrick
07-13-2004, 02:56 PM
The way I see it, if you have to run nolva/clomid, you may as well run a real cycle of test.

ryuage
07-13-2004, 03:56 PM
:withstupi

otherwise you are just kidding yourself and wasting your money

virus
07-13-2004, 06:20 PM
M4OHN rocks from what I hear. It's not like any other prohormone. Many who are on it love the feeling they get, its a general good feeling (confidence, happy, etc..) and it gives them "laser like" lol focus. There is not much of a shutdown, and while on it, the sex drive goes way high. People generally gain 3-4 lbs of muscle on a CUTTING cycle, and drop 2-3+% of bf at the same time. No water weight like m1t, so the gains are the real thing. It hardens the muscles, makes you alot more vascular (they say the shoulder veins pop out like crazy). Now if you were to bulk, you may want to coming this with some 1ad or something, however there is a dude on anabolic minds forum, and he put on over 20lbs of muscle on a 6 week cycle, by using m4ohn alone.
No dht conversion, so you don't have to worry about hair loss. People on anabolicminds posted before and after liver tests, and everything looks fine. The only symptoms reported are some shoulder/back acne and large increase in hunger.

Seems like a kickass PH to me, and btw, m4ohn is basically a real steroid that hasn't been banned yet. It is active in its digested form, and has no conversion.