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dsuh
07-20-2004, 10:36 PM
After searching the archives for couple hours I came up with this...




1.) Eating less and burning less calories is the best way to go about cutting. Eating nothing and doing no workouts will result in muscle loss and eating too much and burning too much calories will be the same as eating less and burning less calories.


I'm about 50% sure of this one. I found a good thread on this subject but lost it.



2.) High Intensitive Interval Training burns more fat than moderate or low intensitive training.

http://www.wsu.edu/athletics/strength/hiit.htm



3.) Morning cardio is not good for cutting unless you are obese.

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=20073&page=1&pp=25

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=50496&highlight=eating+breakfast



That's all so far, but I'll add on to the list. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Spiderman
07-20-2004, 10:46 PM
After searching the archives for couple hours I came up with this...




1.) Eating less and burning less calories is the best way to go about cutting. Eating nothing and doing no workouts will result in muscle loss and eating too much and burning too much calories will be the same as eating less and burning less calories.


I'm about 50% sure of this one. I found a good thread on this subject but lost it.



2.) High Intensitive Interval Training burns more fat than moderate or low intensitive training.

http://www.wsu.edu/athletics/strength/hiit.htm



3.) Morning cardio is not good for cutting unless you are obese.

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=20073&page=1&pp=25

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=50496&highlight=eating+breakfast



That's all so far, but I'll add on to the list. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

First...1. Its not eating less and burning less my friend. Its eating less calories and burning more. Essentially stated as...burning more calories than you take in. ;)

2. HIIT (High INTENSITY Interval Training) is great for fat loss, and its been shown to show the greatest improvements in maximal oxygen capacity in short time periods.

3. Morning cardio IS good to burn fat, however, you should have some protein before hand, and perhaps some fat. No carbs.

dsuh
07-20-2004, 11:00 PM
First...1. Its not eating less and burning less my friend. Its eating less calories and burning more. Essentially stated as...burning more calories than you take in. ;)

2. HIIT (High INTENSITY Interval Training) is great for fat loss, and its been shown to show the greatest improvements in maximal oxygen capacity in short time periods.

3. Morning cardio IS good to burn fat, however, you should have some protein before hand, and perhaps some fat. No carbs.



Eat less and burn more has a deadline if I'm not mistaken. If you burn too much then you burn much muscle with the fat. I've read that doing too much cardio is also not good. Other than that, I am still awaiting an answer is a different thread (doing cardio after weightlifting = burning muscle?)


and I miswrote #3. I meant to say, doing cardio on an empty stomach burns more fat and muscle.


To reply to your 'no carbs, little protien, some fat before cardio' statement I read that you should have at least 50g of carbs before running in the morning to decrease the amount of muscle loss.

Vido
07-20-2004, 11:29 PM
To reply to your 'no carbs, little protien, some fat before cardio' statement I read that you should have at least 50g of carbs before running in the morning to decrease the amount of muscle loss.

That would completely defeat the purpose of "morning cardio".

WillKuenzel
07-20-2004, 11:33 PM
Unless you are getting extremely low in your body fat percentage, morning cardio is not the best option. It will be more catabolic than anything. During that time you'll burn some fat sure, but not nearly like you would if you just waited later to do some HIIT.

The only benefit I've ever had from morning cardio is to lose that extra half a point or so below 5%. Unless you are competeting, save the muscle and do cardio later. Get up have something to eat and lift if you want to do something in the morning.

ectx
07-21-2004, 11:40 AM
Willma, I disagree with you a little. The cardio in the morning, IMHO, is one of the best ways of making big drops in body fat (combined with the right diet). I had tremendous success with it and it wasn't to deleterious to my lifting goals. If anything, while on morning cardio I managed to make some respectable strength gains. Keep in mind, I wasn't getting ready for competition. I was working on not being a morbidly obese fat-as5.

Energy source heirarchy is as follows:

Glucose (carbs), Fat, Protein.

It's easier to derive ATP from glucose than it is to derive ATP from fat.
Likewise, it's easier to derive ATP from fat than it is protein, not to mention that way more energy is stored in fat than in protein.

If anyone tells you otherwise, they're wrong. Biochemistry dictates that hierarchy.

Ultimately, unfortunately there are other factors like hormone levels, etc that will affect fat breakdown. Still, in most instances your body would rather use fat than muscle.

Given that...if you're still concerned about protein utilization post am cardio, I strongly recommend you take a slow release/breakdown protein like casein mixed in with whey and some flax. Any catabolic effects you may see will be abated.