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thalakos84
08-07-2004, 01:56 AM
I am 20 years old and have been lifting for 5 months. I'm the very definition of a hard-gainer. I get 4000-5000 calories a day. I am 5'10" and when I started lifting I was 138lbs. I am now 145lbs, the most I've ever weighed. I recently purchased 60 pills of D-bol at 260 mg per pill. I was wondering what kind of cycle everyone would recommend, and what sort of results I can expect. I realize I won't keep most of my gains, but 5-10 lbs of lean mass would be nice. Also, can I inquire as to whether the D-bol I have is legit? I'm not sure if I can post brand names and pictures of the bottle and pills on these forums.

Davy
08-07-2004, 02:44 AM
260mg per pill , you'r kidding me arent you ? Dont even touch that **** !!!

rookiebldr
08-07-2004, 07:36 AM
At 260mg per tab, it's not legit. Hardgainer or not, eat your wheaties, lots of them. If you can't gain weight with the gear, you won't be able to with the gear. So get the diet in order and grow.

thalakos84
08-07-2004, 12:29 PM
The company name is SDI-Labs and the active ingredient is Methadrostenol Tm. The ingredients are Cholesten, cyanotis, vaga extract, taurine, tribulus terrestris, lecimulthin, tongkat all extract, dihydroxyecdysone, ajuga turkestana, procaine HCL, Milk thistle extract, and bioperine. This is gonna piss me off if I just bought this and it's not going to do anything. BTW, the pills are actually capsules. And from the looks of it, there is no methandrostenolone in it.

thetopdog
08-07-2004, 12:41 PM
You bought some fake $hit (well, not fake but what the company does is name their product close to the real thing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with real Dbol/methandrostenolone). Either try to take it back, or just chalk it up as a loss, don't waste your time with that crap

Maki Riddington
08-07-2004, 01:01 PM
You got ripped off buddy.

thalakos84
08-07-2004, 02:08 PM
Is the tribulus terrestris worth anything? I've heard it helps to free testosterone in the body so less is bound. Is this bogus? What does it do?

ecliptic
08-07-2004, 02:35 PM
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=190cons

Thats SDI-Labs for ya..

thalakos84
08-07-2004, 08:14 PM
After doing more research in the forums, I suppose I'll wait on trying any chemicals. It's incredibly frustrating being as small as I am and not seeing improvement though. In the first two months, my strength and size shot right up. I've seem to hit a brick wall though. I've tried changing my routine, upping the intensity and number of days I work out, and increasing and fluctuating my carb to protein ratio. Any suggestions?

WillKuenzel
08-07-2004, 08:26 PM
After doing more research in the forums, I suppose I'll wait on trying any chemicals. It's incredibly frustrating being as small as I am and not seeing improvement though. In the first two months, my strength and size shot right up. I've seem to hit a brick wall though. I've tried changing my routine, upping the intensity and number of days I work out, and increasing and fluctuating my carb to protein ratio. Any suggestions?
Eat more. There's not person on this earth that won't grow when taking in a surplus of calories. Make sure you are eating more than your maintenance levels and you'll grow. You just might have a higher than average maintenance level but if you are eating enough you'll grow. Just make sure that you eat that same amound every day. Every other day won't cut it. Your calories at the end of the week or every 2 weeks should be enough to put on a pound to a pound and a half.

BigMatt
08-07-2004, 11:37 PM
It's all in the food man.
The most powerfull thing is not AAS,it's food.

Brawl
08-08-2004, 09:48 AM
Word 347D1SC .

Hey kid , keep training . The couple of months you've been training is nothing . You need food right now , not only for growth but so you can see what works with you and what doesnt work .

You need to train at least a year if not more before trying the gear .

Gabrielle
08-08-2004, 12:43 PM
lesson learned...now go raid the fridge

thalakos84
08-08-2004, 01:55 PM
One problem. I'm a college student and eating all of the time is hard to do. I'm done working for the summer, so protein bars and mass gaining shakes are too expensive. What's a really good carb+protein source that's cheap. Oats? Grain? Lol. I don't know.

tony touch
08-08-2004, 08:51 PM
u started lifting 5 months ago and u think you're a hardgainer? you dunno your body yet bro. you gained 7 lbs since you started lifting and im sure your body composition has changed a helluva lot durin that time. congrats, its not easy.

im a student, too and i do kno what its like to eat on a budget and with limited options. lemme tell ya this, bulking is a helluva lot easier at school than cutting. u should be stocking up lean hamburger patties (no buns), chx breasts, eggs, lots of pasta, tuna, whole wheat bread, nuts, etc. dont b afraid to hit up burger king a few times a week and binge.....

English_Rhino
08-14-2004, 12:10 PM
7 lbs gained in 5 months is good going for a hardgainer. if you are that much of a hardgainer then its gonna be lean muscle so just keep going for now bud as its too early to throw gear into the equation. I know because i started too soon and regret it all the time. not for health reasons but just because i didnt really need to.

wannab250
12-08-2004, 12:32 PM
i gained 25 lbs in 3 months (from 165 to 190) basically from just eating (mostly just focused on protein) now i wish i would have gone for more calorie's instead of 4-5 shakes a deay and tuna, chicken, and all protein, i think i would have gained a decent amount more if i would have had 5k calories a day more than the hole live by protein thing... my friend started same time i did and did the same diet and we both gained almost exact.. so that is proven..

wannab250
12-08-2004, 12:33 PM
hah,i just realized how old this topic was.. my bad thats what i get for using the SEARCH button like everone says too hehe

ryuage
12-08-2004, 12:48 PM
its good you utilized the search but what were you looking for hard gainer... or dbol.. lol

Beast
12-08-2004, 02:03 PM
He's been lifting for 5 ****ing months... he obviously has no clue about drugs, either.

Gabrielle
12-08-2004, 06:00 PM
in case you didn't know there are quite a few people on this board that follow a hardcore bodybuilder type lifestyle...and juggle school, work, and family time...I know you didn't mean to offend anyone, but 5 months? I would try 5 years...that way whenever you come off...you can keep the size you had before you crossed over...at your height and starting body weight..give it time...when you can get up to the mid 200's you'll be thanking me...if you are serious about chemical enhancement...do your research for the next couple of years...there are numerous sites with good info...such as anabolex, ar, mm, promuscle, cuttingedge, cjm, superiormuscle...the list goes on and on...slam down the food, get plenty of sleep, and stick to heavy basics in the gym...good luck in the future

ryuage
12-08-2004, 06:01 PM
again id like to point out this is 4 months old :)

Gabrielle
12-08-2004, 06:04 PM
damn....do I feel ridiculous

wannab250
12-08-2004, 08:32 PM
hehe yea me 2 it was all my bad, i was searching on tribulus cuz i cant get any clomid or nolva so i have to get the legal shiz and was wondering what the best thing would be. a local guy said to take like 6 pills a day they are 500mg each. what you think?

Lance
12-08-2004, 11:50 PM
that's hilarious, lol

chris6969
12-09-2004, 09:39 AM
Your avatar looks good. 7lb in 5 months... that would be 17lbs/year. And you call yourself a hardgainer? You're lean, so if you can add at anywhere near that rate you will be doing great in a year or 2. Give it time, and keep eating tons of protein. Don't keep upping the intensity, you'll burn too many calories and won't bulk up. You should be very sore approximately 24 hours after your work out. If you're not, you need to train with more weight.

Heavy weights + protein = bulk

stick to the basics (compound exercises) presses, deadlift, squats.

I started working out at about 130lbs and on average put on about 10lbs year for 6-7 years, then levelled off around 185-200 lbs (fluctaute depending on diet, routine, etc)... since then I've slacked a little, had some set back, but have been trying to refine my shape, b/c I don't want to be that much bigger.

wannab250
12-09-2004, 01:39 PM
chris6969 : i couldnt/wouldnt be happy with only gaining 10 lbs/year especially for the 1st year, you have the possibility to gain so much more...

maybe its just my body i dont know, but my friend started lifting the same time it did 5 months ago, we both did the protein diet, and we both gained a ton i started 165, now i am 203, i was only able to get to 190 naturally, then i topped out and did a cycle (i wish i wouldnt have) with to little experience. but i think for the first few months everyone should be able to gain about 20-25lbs.

chris6969
12-09-2004, 07:32 PM
#1 - It depends on what type of weight you're putting on. (lean mass vs. fat & muscle)

#2 - I actually put more on the first few years... but my average was about 10/lb year.

At the rate he's at he should put on 17lbs this year. Looking at how lean he is thats probably very good.

wannab250
12-09-2004, 08:37 PM
#.

At the rate he's at he should put on 17lbs this year. Looking at how lean he is thats probably very good.


true, but i think in a year he could put on more than that, but yea 17 lbs more than what he was at would be a pretty good difference.

benfsu03
12-12-2004, 07:19 PM
After doing more research in the forums, I suppose I'll wait on trying any chemicals. It's incredibly frustrating being as small as I am and not seeing improvement though. In the first two months, my strength and size shot right up. I've seem to hit a brick wall though. I've tried changing my routine, upping the intensity and number of days I work out, and increasing and fluctuating my carb to protein ratio. Any suggestions?

you cant just say uve hit a wall after not gaining for a few weeks. do you think every peson here gains on a daily/weekly basis. eat more, sleep more, work out more, thats all u gotta do...and at 145 trust me uve got plenty more to gain before saying ure at ur peak

GMCtrk
12-12-2004, 07:47 PM
this is unbelievable, 5 months lifting and you want to start taking gear? You need to max out your genetic potential first bro.....learn how to train and eat properly

Dirt
12-13-2004, 02:50 AM
this is unbelievable, 5 months lifting and you want to start taking gear? You need to max out your genetic potential first bro.....learn how to train and eat properly

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=56816

I think you can say that a few more times. Even if his D-bol were legit, he wouldn't be gaining any weight bulking on cheerios and milk...

ryuage
12-13-2004, 05:09 AM
and once again I would like everyone to see when the original post was dated...