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Davy
08-10-2004, 04:26 PM
If im right , when comming from a cutting diet i cant drasticly change my caloric intake from one week to another when going on a bulk , it will get me to store alot of fat.

I should up the cals every week , but how much ... 500cals a week would be ok ?

Vido
08-10-2004, 05:19 PM
500 cals a week is not much. If you mean 500 cals every day for a week (thus 3500 extra cals) that is quite a bit.

mike107
08-10-2004, 08:15 PM
Vido- I'm in the same situation as Davy here, I am just coming out of a bulk and I have the same question. I remember you giving me the advice to LOWER like 200cals/week when moving into the cut (and that worked out great). Should this not be the same way to move into a bulk; is an extra 200 calories a week too little; Should I shoot for like 500? or how much (to minimize getting fat)?

Holto
08-10-2004, 08:46 PM
the first week might call for a sudden increase of 500-1000+

and then the next week might get into the actual incrementations ie: 200-500

Vido
08-10-2004, 11:23 PM
Vido- I'm in the same situation as Davy here, I am just coming out of a bulk and I have the same question. I remember you giving me the advice to LOWER like 200cals/week when moving into the cut (and that worked out great). Should this not be the same way to move into a bulk; is an extra 200 calories a week too little; Should I shoot for like 500? or how much (to minimize getting fat)?

What are your stats and how much are you currently eating. Adding 200 cals/week for someone eating 1500 cals/day is going to have a lot larger effect than on someone already eating 4000 cals/day.

Hopefully on your cut you didn't drop the calories too far below maintenance. If this is the case, then you can just eat at maintenance for a week or two, and then start increasing calories weekly...maybe something like 200 per week (more or less depending on somatotype).

ryuage
08-11-2004, 06:10 AM
if you are prone to puting on fat I would personally add an additional 200 calories weekly until you are gaining at the desired rate of gain you wish for.

mike107
08-11-2004, 09:35 AM
What are your stats and how much are you currently eating. Adding 200 cals/week for someone eating 1500 cals/day is going to have a lot larger effect than on someone already eating 4000 cals/day.

Hopefully on your cut you didn't drop the calories too far below maintenance. If this is the case, then you can just eat at maintenance for a week or two, and then start increasing calories weekly...maybe something like 200 per week (more or less depending on somatotype).

Height: 5'9''
Weight: 141 lbs.
Waist: 30.25 inches
Calories eaten during cut: 2200
Maintenence calories: 2400

Note: I had just ended my cut, weighing in at 148.5, but then I went on a 5-day hike up Mt. Whitney and Mt. Langley (about 60 miles), and now weigh 141. I was probably only eating like 1500 calories a day during the hike (just wasn't very hungry I guess). But now that I've been home for a few days, I've been eating around 2400-2600 calories a day. Should this be a good starting point, or should I start lower/higher?

Vido
08-11-2004, 10:27 AM
Height: 5'9''
Weight: 141 lbs.
Waist: 30.25 inches
Calories eaten during cut: 2200
Maintenence calories: 2400

Note: I had just ended my cut, weighing in at 148.5, but then I went on a 5-day hike up Mt. Whitney and Mt. Langley (about 60 miles), and now weigh 141. I was probably only eating like 1500 calories a day during the hike (just wasn't very hungry I guess). But now that I've been home for a few days, I've been eating around 2400-2600 calories a day. Should this be a good starting point, or should I start lower/higher?

Unless you seem to be just blowing up the last couple of days from the slightly increased caloric intake, I'm sure what you're doing currently is fine. Then, like Ryuage said, start adding 200 or so per week. This will keep fat gain at a very minimum to begin with, but at some point the muscle to fat gain ratio will swing out of your favour if you continue to do this, so just keep careful watch (I mean you can't keep adding 200 cals/week indefinitely. Depending on your metabolism, someone of your size might not need much more than you're eating now, and I doubt would need to get into the 4000+ range, but you know your body better than I.)

Holto
08-11-2004, 10:43 AM
if you are cutting at 1500

and your maintenance is 2000

then after incrementing up by 200 you are still cutting, and you will still be cutting after the next 200 cal increment

Manveet
08-11-2004, 10:58 AM
if you are cutting at 1500

and your maintenance is 2000

then after incrementing up by 200 you are still cutting, and you will still be cutting after the next 200 cal increment


Doesn't your maintenance change as you lose weight? For instance, if I weighed 175lbs and 2000 calories was my maintaince and I cut calories enough to lose 15lbs, 2000 calories would not be my maintainence at 160lbs.

Holto
08-11-2004, 11:14 AM
I'll re-phrase

if at the end of your cut you are eating 1500

and your maintenance at that exact moment is 2000

then after incrementing up by 200 you are still cutting, and you will still be cutting after the next 200 cal increment

Manveet
08-11-2004, 11:23 AM
I'm arguing that your maintainence at the exact moment would not be 2000 calories.

Vido
08-11-2004, 03:58 PM
I'll re-phrase

if at the end of your cut you are eating 1500

and your maintenance at that exact moment is 2000

then after incrementing up by 200 you are still cutting, and you will still be cutting after the next 200 cal increment

That's true. I would however, advise that at the very most you increase calories to maintenance, and then start increasing by 200/week. Going from 1500 to 2500 in one week is likely too big a jump, regardless of the circumstances.

Holto
08-11-2004, 04:10 PM
I'll agree to that

what I mean is that to jump to at least maintenance you need to increase by at least 500 the first week

Holto
08-11-2004, 04:11 PM
I'm arguing that your maintainence at the exact moment would not be 2000 calories.

lets assume to go along with what you stated earlier that this hypathetical maintenance was 2300 and after cutting it's 2000

Manveet
08-11-2004, 05:02 PM
lets assume to go along with what you stated earlier that this hypathetical maintenance was 2300 and after cutting it's 2000

?

I'm misunderstanding something here.

Let me use a personal example. For instance, my maintainence level is about 3800-4000 calories per day. I weigh ~200lbs btw.

Now, let's say I started dieting, and I cut calories by 100-200 every week that I didn't lose at least 1lb.

Fast forward many weeks later.....

Now, lets say I have lost about 10-15lbs and my daily intake is now about ~3000 calories per day and I weigh ~185-190lbs. Note that I am not losing any more fat at this point. In order for me to lose more fat I would either need to cut more calories, and/ or increase my energy expenditure.

Now, you say that at my new body weight (185-190lbs) my maintenance level would still be 3800-4000 calories? I, on the other hand, would say that my new maintainence level would be ~3000 considering the fact that I'm not losing anymore fat, nor gaining any muscle.

Holto
08-11-2004, 05:09 PM
"this hypathetical maintenance was 2300 and after cutting it's 2000"

meaning when he started cutting he was heavier and his maintenance was 2300

after cutting his new maintenance is 2000

Manveet
08-11-2004, 05:09 PM
"this hypathetical maintenance was 2300 and after cutting it's 2000"

meaning when he started cutting he was heavier and his maintenance was 2300

after cutting his new maintenance is 2000


oops, I agree:D

Holto
08-11-2004, 05:10 PM
using your example Manveet lets say your new maintenance is 3500

after cutting on 3000 the first increment to the new maintenance is 500

to me it's pointless to go to 3200 then 3400 and then into a hypercaloric state