Starting Thermocin

[Celikill180]

Sorry if this is a repost but ive been doing some research and i guess i havent found what im looking for.

I plan on cutting before i concentrate on putting on muscle. My low calorie diet consists of outmeal and banana or some fruit for breakfast, low fat cottage cheese and a turkey sandwhich w/low fat mayo for lunch, and probably another sandwhich or pasta depending on work out days, and with a whole lot of water inbetween. I counted the calories and i come up with somewhere under 700-800. Is this too low? what else should i eat.

I will be starting Thermocin tomorrow, is there any recomended foods i should eat or stay away from?

My last question is regarding dosage. On the bottle it says "Begin by taking 2 capsules before breakfast or morning excercise... then take another 2 in the afternoon" how long should i keep this up until i start taking the normal dosage of 3 caps in the morning and 3 caps in the afternoon"


thanks

[Daniel Clough]

Sorry if this is a repost but ive been doing some research and i guess i havent found what im looking for.

I plan on cutting before i concentrate on putting on muscle. My low calorie diet consists of outmeal and banana or some fruit for breakfast, low fat cottage cheese and a turkey sandwhich w/low fat mayo for lunch, and probably another sandwhich or pasta depending on work out days, and with a whole lot of water inbetween. I counted the calories and i come up with somewhere under 700-800. Is this too low? what else should i eat.


Yes, its too low...... You won't be doing yourself any favours in fact you'll be hindering your progress dropping it too low.

What do you currently weigh? What you have to try and do is figure your maintenence calorie level.... (how many cal's it takes to maintain your bodyweight) and then aim to eat about 250 less.... Slower, consistent weight loss is by far the best approach.

Theres several guides (some on www.wannabebig.com) that give you formulas to work this out on average.

I will be starting Thermocin tomorrow, is there any recomended foods i should eat or stay away from?

My last question is regarding dosage. On the bottle it says "Begin by taking 2 capsules before breakfast or morning excercise... then take another 2 in the afternoon" how long should i keep this up until i start taking the normal dosage of 3 caps in the morning and 3 caps in the afternoon"


Base it on your tolerance. For example I know when Chris takes thermocin he stays on 2 as he is not very tolerant of the stimulants generally. However I took 2 and soon adjusted to them quickly and felt I could go up to 3 within a week easily.

So start off with 2 and see how you go....

[Celikill180]

Thanks for the quick response, im 19 about 5 '7 and about 185lbs

[chris mason]

Heck, I'm such a stimulant wuss even 1 tablet does the trick for me... :hello:

Daniel is correct, see how it effects you and go from there. NEVER exceed the maximum recommended dose.

[GMCtrk]

800 is much too low. go for 1500-2000 cal a day. You still need energy to support your body.

[Jasonl]

800 is much too low. go for 1500-2000 cal a day. You still need energy to support your body.
At 185lbs 1500-2000 is most likely too low as well. Try 3000 for starters.

[BlingMeter]

exactly what happens if u exceed the dosage :) im startin it monday along with a 20min (200-220cals a day) run 4 times a week. what happens if i just start out with 3 pills x2 a day. and should i take these pills the 4 days i run/lift, or all 7 days? im hope these things give me the energy im lookin for to!

(3 scoops of opticen fills me up nice :drooling: )

[Daniel Clough]

take them each day, but please start off on 2... Assess your tolerance and up it if you feel ok... Last thing we want you to do is go straight to 3 and have a bad reaction....

[Celikill180]

well im not starving myself i and i forgot to add that i probably have like 2 or 3 bowls of cottage cheese and 2 sandwhiches a day and i forgot to factor that at night i have some steamed broccoli and cauliflower i dont know how much those are.

i have a high tolerence for caffiene but i wont even risk it im sure after 5-7days ill advance to the 6 pill a day

[chris mason]

exactly what happens if u exceed the dosage :) im startin it monday along with a 20min (200-220cals a day) run 4 times a week. what happens if i just start out with 3 pills x2 a day. and should i take these pills the 4 days i run/lift, or all 7 days? im hope these things give me the energy im lookin for to!

(3 scoops of opticen fills me up nice :drooling: )

You don't want to exceed the maximum dose due primarily (but not solely) due to the stimulants in the product. The term for possible complications would be "adverse" cardiac events. In other words, you don't want to mess with your heart and if you noted any symptoms you should cease use immediately. I would watch for things like heart palpitations which you might feel like a "flutter" in your chest or shortness of breath. This is powerful stuff and like any powerful product it can be harmful if misused or if the user has any medical issues. Please read the warnings on the label.

[Celikill180]

i am under the impression that in order to lean up u need to burn off more calories u take in, and im sure that u should not deprive your body of a certain amount of calories, but when dieting/eating to lean wouldnt u want to take in slightly less calories than the suggested amount?

[Jasonl]

i am under the impression that in order to lean up u need to burn off more calories u take in, and im sure that u should not deprive your body of a certain amount of calories, but when dieting/eating to lean wouldnt u want to take in slightly less calories than the suggested amount?
Correct, eat as MUCH as you possibly can while still losing weight for a good cut.

[BlingMeter]

u should put take 2 first on the bottle. if i didnt read this thread id be taking 3!!
i hope i dont have any probs with it

[chris mason]

Actually, the bottle does say to take 2 first?

Anyway, I don't want to make you paranoid. Just monitor yourself and if you notice any negative side-effects cease use of the product. The vast majority of people can take this product and not experience negative side-effects.

[BlingMeter]

oops my bad it does. i just skimmed reading before. says start with 2.

[Celikill180]

it says take 2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon and then to move on with 3 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon its just dosent specify how long u should take the 2x2 dosage

[AstronautJones]

Typically there's supposed to be at least 4 hours between dosages.

[BlingMeter]

i was gonna take the pills, one at 530am then the next at 12pm. with my lunch and breakfast. then hit the gym 7 hrs later

[chris mason]

You may see some other opinions, but I think that is a good schedule.

[Andy Manzano]

I have a question I started about a week and a half and I want to know if I'm doing right. I wake up at 6:00 am and I take 2 scoops of opticen with milk. Then I go to work and take 3 pills before I eat somethig(about 8 - 8:30 am). Then after my lunch (12- 12:30 pm) I take the other three am I doingright. BTW thanks Chris fast shipping and I know an excellent product.

[chris mason]

What you are doing looks fine to me. You might want to wait an extra hour or two before your second dose. Drinking the milk with the Opticen and eating a meal right after taking the product will slow the absorbtion of your first dose a bit so you won't feel the hit quite as much. It won't hurt the effectiveness in terms of fat burning. I think taking your second dose around 2 P.M. might be a bit better unless you are particularly sensitive to the stimulants and find taking it later in the day will keep you up at night.

[Celikill180]

well yesterday i bumped up to the 3 and 3 dosage and im not feeling a thing, i can fall asleep whenever.... how long do u suppose it will take for the caffiene to start giving me the usuall side affects such as increased heart rate and sleeping disorders

[chris mason]

You are obviously not sensitive to caffeine. You are probably already a caffeine drinker (whoops, scratch that, I just noticed above you noted you have a high tolerance for caffeine)? In any event, it does surprise me you feel nothing from the synephrine. That is unusual. In any event, just keep at the recommended dose level and you will lose fat. Your "feeling" the simulants has no bearing on the effect of the product in terms of fat lost. Just make sure you are continuing to exercise and consuming the correct number of calories to lose weight.

[Celikill180]

the extent of my caffeine intake before was just soft drinks and starbucs frappaccinos. but i cut down on those dramaticly and when i started thermocin i cut it down to zero. with my tolerance level is it ok for me to have any additional caffeine from soda or coffee?

[MaN BoObES]

How long does it usually take til you start to see some results?

[Celikill180]

i think i felt a slight tingle after half an hour during my first few days but i guess that was just a placebo effect

[chris mason]

No, that was from the product. You have obviously acclimated more quickly than most to the stimulants.

To be frank, that is one of the selling points of the product. It doesn't make you jittery like ephedrine based products. It has a much smoother effect. The vast majority of people who use the product do feel more energetic and often somewhat of a sense of euphoria.

[MaN BoObES]

In all honesty, do these thermo's really help shed fat? I've tried stacker, hydroxycut, xenadrine, trim spa. Stacker helped me loose some. But once I quit smoking i put on 56lbs. I started stackers again and lost about 15lbs, but i dont like the racing of my heart and overall not feeling good.

I wanna drop about 30lbs more, will takin one of these thermo's help?

[BlingMeter]

finally im started. 2 pills so far. as for the smokin guy. stop smokin and lift weights! and dont eat junk food! we will see how this affects my 3,000cal need effect

[chris mason]

First off, yes they HELP, but they are not miracle pills. They are SUPPLEMENTS to a good diet and exercise. I think Thermocin is good for 5-10lbs or so of fat loss in an of itself (i.e. if you changed nothing else). That said, it will also ENHANCE the results of your proper diet and exercise program.

[BlingMeter]

5-10lbs of fat by itself? so tech i dont need to do cardio yet? just take 4 pills a day then move up to 6 a day and i shall loose the fat as i train? took 4 pills today and i got a little goofy haha. we will see how i do tonight at the gym.. 6pm and my god am i hungry! these pills make me wanna eat eat eat. DAM im gonna have to eat a buffalo before i go to the gym

[MaN BoObES]

bling, i quit over 2 years ago cold turkey. Its just been a side effect of me quiting that i've put on this much weight. It totally sucks.

Looks like im going to have to try this thermo stuff.

[BlingMeter]

thermo gave me energy. but i guess i got so excited and pumped i ran outbefore gymtime... jason how would taking 2 pills at 530 or 730am sound and the 2nd set at around 4pm?


good luck man :strong:

[BlingMeter]

currently takin 6 pills a day now. i notice no energy or focus. i hope fat burnin comes in!

[chris mason]

It will, be patient.

The "no energy" thing has me perplexed. It makes no sense other than your body is essentially "habitualized" to stimulants. You are taking a significant dose of stimulants at 6 capsules a day. If you feel no effects that is very strange indeed. In addition, you noted that you felt energized by it previously?

My wife has a thyroid problem and must take Synthroid daily. When she took Thermocin she felt the opposite reaction from what she should, much like you. I know the common perception of hypothyroid individuals is that they are obese but that really isn't the case most often. You can be quite thin and hypothyroid. Maybe you should see your doctor?

[BlingMeter]

well the first day i took it it had me jumpy yes. but naturally i am "juiced in the mind" and can get my own ball rollin when i feel like. not often though, to save the sane part in public!. so maybe that could be the problem? i sure hope it doesnt have to do with my body.

[Celikill180]

i was hoping it would keep me up most of the night to help me with hw and such but no effects.

[Vido]

I don't think it takes very long for your body to become accustomed to stimulants. I felt ephedrine the first time I took it, and have never felt it again. In addition, I don't think Thermocin is a particularly potent stack so it doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't be feeling it...that's just my opinion though.

[chris mason]

"Potent" is a relative term. There are products with more stimulants per dose, but none that work better for overall fat loss. Stimulants alone do not make for an optimal fat burning product.

[MaN BoObES]

so you say you havent felt any hyperness or anything now. Have you noticed any weight loss?

[Vido]

so you say you havent felt any hyperness or anything now. Have you noticed any weight loss?

Agreed. You are using the product to aid in fat loss; any jitters or extra energy is just a side effect, either positive or negative depending on what your preferences are.

[BlingMeter]

well i have only been on it since monday sept20. should i really see some changes? only place where fat is is on the bellly. mostly lower. i could spare to lose 2" 37" to 35 (thats around the biggest part)

[chris mason]

No, you should not notice a big difference in 6 days. I would expect a significant difference after 30 days.

[BlingMeter]

alright cool. ill have my belly measurements near mid october. hopefully pics to

[MaN BoObES]

ok if my other paycheck this week is decent enough im going to get the trex stuff. I want to drop as much as I can. Im working midnights at the PD so the gym will be hit up hard after work. I can't stand my friggin titties!! :cry:

[BlingMeter]

lol.. chris i missed my 20min run last night, cause well i got to involved into the lifting. did a 275x5 all bymyself in the flat bench and maxxed at 300x1 proud of myself! but what effects would not running have on thermocin? am i really decreasing the effects? i should get to run today since im just doing bi's and forarms. nope no run, had no energy. and had to get home to eat my cake. i turned 20 :bash:

[BlingMeter]

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?p=885781#post885781


pics are there. ill take some again in 4-6 weeks and see how thermo is going.

[chris mason]

Don't worry about missing the running for one day. It will make no difference in the grand scheme of things.

Happy birthday!

[BlingMeter]

ill make sure to run my ass off this week!THANKS! ya im 20 now. im old :(

[ROMANMAN]

Does it matter with what food you take it or if you take it on an empty stomach, like say 2 after breakfast at 7.30 and 2 after dinner at 6.

[chris mason]

I would not take it that late in the day (after dinner) as the stimulants might keep you up at night.

We recommend you take Thermocin in the morning and afternoon (I would not go much past 1 P.M.).

In terms of what food you take it with it does not really matter with respect to its ability to aid your fat loss. When taken with certain foods you may notice less of a stimulatory effect.

[Phelon]

Im thinking about gettin this.. I would take 2 around say 7:00 AM, and 2 more around 2:30 or 3 pm, is that good? then boost it to 3 and 3, later on.