Trouble with 1st cycle

[POPS]

I'm into my 7th week of 12 on my first cycle which consist of sus 750mg/ew and deca 600mg/ew. I'm very troubled as after the first three weeks of weight gainds and strength increase, everything has come to a halt. nothing has happened in the last 3 1/2 weeks. Whats going on?

[Jasonl]

Hate to sound like captain obvious, but how's the diet and routine?

[POPS]

well I'm 6'1" weigh 277lbs and take in around 6000 cal's a day. Train max o-t 5 days a week.

[HahnB]

So basically you haven't gained since the 3rd week or so? Weren't you on quite a bit more drugs the first 3 weeks? Perhaps the gains are going to come slower now that you're not taking d-bol, and weren't you also running a gram of test?

[CB]

You should post your diet and routine to see if either of those are hindering you from making gains.

[Wikked1]

Dude you're @ 277 lbs and ~6000 cals a day....I'd say you need to get some more food or you're just wasting your gear. My best advice is to make a trip to www.fitday.com and make sure you're getting an excess of calories ...make sure you know exactly how many calories you're getting and my best guess is you're just not eating enough! I'm @ ~ 5500 per day and you've got an easy 65-70 lbs on me on my best day......in a word EAT!

[gino]

Maybe you should be eating more, but you still should be making noticeable gains with those doses. In reality, the biggest gains should start being seen at about week 3 in a sus/deca cycle(because of the minimal amount of fast-acting AS present), so I'm at a loss to why the gains slowed down shortly after that point.

[Beast]

I agree with what gino said. This should be the best time in your cycle. You should at least still be gaining strength.

[chris6969]

initial water bloat is maxed out.... and no D-bol anymore. You might also be losing a little bit of fat (sounds like you're high BF) test will help you lean up a little. And you might be retaining a little less water with out the D-bol.

What about your strength gains? You're still making those right? I bet you're putting on muscle... (stronger=more muscle) and you're too focused on the scale.

FOCUS on working out and strength gains, not the scale. (and mirror b/c you can make huge improvements in body appearance, LBM, with out adding or losing any "weight")

[Severed Ties]

Your not eating enough and you had better be getting at least 500 grams of protein per day at your size.

ST

[chris6969]

BTW, what BF% do you think you are? Just curious.

or post a picture of your body, so we can guestimate.

[tony touch]

exactly wut ST said. at ur size and ur supplement regimen, you need to b inhaling massive amounts of protein all day. make sure ur cals are up but still clean.

check the mirror for improvements, not the scale...i havent weighed myself in quite awhile.

get ur bodyfat tested

[Hatred]

ugh..I don't think I could fit anymore protein anywhere...<looks for orifices to pour whey in>

[smalls]

Your not eating enough and you had better be getting at least 500 grams of protein per day at your size.

ST

Bling. Have you increased your calories since you began your cycle, cuz your metabolism does adapt.

[POPS]

I thought i posted a pic, but maybe that was somewhere else. I'll try to get one up. The picture i'll post was at the weight of 268. And fyi i did do d-bol 40mg/ed for the first 3 weeks.
My picture is posted under my profile

[tony touch]

saw ur pic, u hold ur mass very well for someone your age. hard to see under the burt reynolds chest hair..LOL...jus playin old man.

ur best bet is to straight up forget the scale...ur a big dude as it is....judge ur progress strictly by the mirror and the weights

[chris6969]

I think you should have tried to lean out and work out hard for about year, before hitting the sauce in the big way you hit it. (stacked at high doses)

Then you would have been able to see your gains better.

Or at your age, just get on a low dose of Test and stay on it like 200-350mg/week year round.

Plus, you could find a Dr. to prescribe it to you easily.. and moniter your lipids, BP, etc..

[POPS]

hey chris I'm a little confused as to your statement in re; to find a doctor. I thought test was against the law in the U.S. are you saying that it's still legal for a doctor to prescribe test.
I do plan on running test enanthate 250mg/ew for a long time.
I also believe most of you to be right in regards to eating more. Yesterday i went out of town and only consumed 4211 cal's and dropped 1 1/2lbs. weigh in this morning at 275 1/2.

[BCC]

Doctors prescribe testosterone for hormone replacement therapy all the time. At your age you would be an excellent candidate, especially if you skipped PCT and went straight to your doctor for blood tests :evillaugh

[Wikked1]

Doctors prescribe testosterone for hormone replacement therapy all the time. At your age you would be an excellent candidate, especially if you skipped PCT and went straight to your doctor for blood tests :evillaugh
EXCEPT the fact that he's doing DECA which remains detectable in the body for a hell of a long time. I'm not sure if this will show up in a standard hormone profile but my bet is it COULD and depending upon your doc he might not look too kindly on your "self prescribing" and "medicating". Most uneducated GP's are as ignorant about gear as are the public. Get a referal to an anti-aging specialist unless you have a real progressive doctor if you have any intent on trying the legit way and you should be able to describe the symptoms when you go to see him....unless you know for a fact your hormone profile is going to confirm low test.

[POPS]

Mr Bcc. or anyone, What would happen if i decided to drop the deca 600 mg/ew completely and just continue taking the sus at 750 mg/ew. split Mon and thurs for the remainder of my cycle. Could i still continue to gain weight and stength if my diet was right.
one more thing i just have the feeling that the deca is doing nothing for me. I do have EQ here at my home and enough to finish my cycle with it at 600 mg/ew.

[SalahG]

EXCEPT the fact that he's doing DECA which remains detectable in the body for a hell of a long time. I'm not sure if this will show up in a standard hormone profile but my bet is it COULD and depending upon your doc he might not look too kindly on your "self prescribing" and "medicating". Most uneducated GP's are as ignorant about gear as are the public. Get a referal to an anti-aging specialist unless you have a real progressive doctor if you have any intent on trying the legit way and you should be able to describe the symptoms when you go to see him....unless you know for a fact your hormone profile is going to confirm low test.
There is no way his doctor will test for deca metabolites. He'll test for his Testosterone:Estrogen ratio, Free Test, etc... and go from there.

[POPS]

I've discuss with my doctor what I've been doing and how much i take. Said i was especially crazy for taking gear from a vet, which the products are for animals. told me i should at least go to a real pharmacy here in mexico. oh well i'm still hoping one of you would give me your thought on the stopping of the deca. I just don't feel like it is doing anything for me. Remember i do have Eq here if you all think that is a better choice, then just running the sus by itself the remainder of the cycle.

[smalls]

My personal opinion is that you could drop the deca completely and make continued gains on 750mg test alone, if you diet was on as you asked in an earlier post. I also think you should work on lowering your bodyfat level before bulking any further, from a health and a visible gains perspective.

[POPS]

Smalls. Could i do as you said still taking the sus at 750 mg, or do i need to reduce it

[POPS]

Mr. BCC. I should of done what you told me to do 3 weeks ago, but to late now. ? if I stop the deca right now and continue w/ the sus at 750 for the remainder of my cycle, any possibilities of a deca shut down like I hear people talking about.

[BCC]

The extent of a "deca shut down" is individual. There is no telling how badly it will or won't affect you. If you stopped it now I think you may recover better. But at this point, I would probably continue running it, the better gains seems to come from 6 weeks on with deca/eq.

[POPS]

I'll take your approach to it and continue w/ the deca through out the cycle. But what your saying is a person could still be shut down on deca even if he continue w/ test afterwords?

[tony touch]

deca doesnt shut me down any harder than test

[smalls]

Deca's effects on people is very different, your just going to have to see how it effects you.
I was just stating earlier I think you should change your goals with this cycle or later cycles until you get to a decent bodyfat %. I think you will be much happier with the results if you use test to maintain muscle while dropping 30lbs of fat. It will also probably be a lot healthier, not that im in this for health purposes. JMO.

[chris6969]

Deca's effects on people is very different, your just going to have to see how it effects you.
I was just stating earlier I think you should change your goals with this cycle or later cycles until you get to a decent bodyfat %. I think you will be much happier with the results if you use test to maintain muscle while dropping 30lbs of fat. It will also probably be a lot healthier, not that im in this for health purposes. JMO.

I agree. I think you kinda jumped in to a mad bulk cycle with out: adequate prior training, thoroughly planning it through, or having realistic expectations and goals.

At your age, size & BF I would get on a long-term low-dose test. cycle (preferrably through a Dr. - its perfectly legal for you to get on test HRT.) with blood-lipid tests & blood pressure monitering, etc. And work towards leaning out and building/preserving muscle at the same time. (best for your health)