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Hatred
10-20-2004, 02:56 PM
If one were to stay on perpetually what kind of consequences would have to be dealt with. I am going to get bloodwork done on the first of the month to see the damage I have done thus far. but for the meantime. what effects would injectables-only have on the body at appx 1400mg a wk?
I am recovering from a really nasty cold and it got me thinking about a few things...

Severed Ties
10-20-2004, 03:36 PM
I'd recommend staying on HCG throughout the cycle 500iu's 2x per week.

As far as bloodwork get your blood pressure checked regularly and your blood lipids every 8 weeks. The most detirmental side effect will most likely be your HDL dropping dangerously low. If your BP gets high (especially your diastolic) from a the combination of androgens, increased bodyweight, and water retention you could damage your kidneys.

Alterations in collegen could put you at risk for a tendon tear as well depending on drug used.

I'd also expect quite a bit of acne.

ST

Hatred
10-20-2004, 03:37 PM
Ahh.....ok.....

Hatred
10-20-2004, 03:42 PM
Plz expound on the Collagen thing a bit more.

Isaac Wilkins
10-20-2004, 03:52 PM
Basically certain drugs have been indicated in causing collagen fibers to be layed down haphazardly. Normally they're in parallel, which makes for very strong tendons. If they're layed down in an irregular crosswise pattern, then the tendon isn't as strong.

Weak tendon + bigger, stronger muscles + higher volume + higher intensity = surgery.

restless
10-20-2004, 03:53 PM
Plz expound on the Collagen thing a bit more.


There's a lot more to this than most think. Supraphisiological doses of testosterone will hinder collagen production to a large degree but the worst thing is probably the alteration of the ratio of collagen type I to type III caused by many of the synthetic steroids. The supposed strengthning (sp?) of tendons caused by deca and such in fact leaves your tendons more brittle and fragile, possibly leading to a condition called tendinosis, which is caracterized by an abnormaly high ratio of type III to type I collagens. If I do long cycles like this one I just did again, I may try to avoid this problem using growth factors that are supposed to stimulate type I collagen synthesis like IGF-1 and MGF. The problem is that the systemic side effects of these also worry me so I'd have to look into intratendinous injections in the problem areas which doesn't sound like fun....

restless
10-20-2004, 04:01 PM
Basically certain drugs have been indicated in causing collagen fibers to be layed down haphazardly. Normally they're in parallel, which makes for very strong tendons. If they're layed down in an irregular crosswise pattern, then the tendon isn't as strong.




This is also another caracteristic of tendinosis.

Hatred
10-20-2004, 04:13 PM
Intratendinous Injections...I am sorry but I think that is where I draw the line in the game of "Fun with Needles" YEEEOW.