What is the best Cutting cycle for about 700 bucks.All the Help needed

[whitechocolate]

Hey guys, I was trying to make a decision on whether to purchase some HGH or just stack some stuff. I am 220 with about 15% of tube around my belly. I wanna burn the fat off, not just suck the water weight off and appear cut, i want to burn it off and keep it off. I was thinkin Hgh Bc of its fat burning abilities but it takes months for it to work and its expensive. Plus , the side effects of it is not completely know since it effects every cell in your body. I heard if you have cancer cells hangin around, then they will rapidly grow along with everything else, not sure about this though, i am not too informed about the HGH, everything i read is contradictory. Well I am wanting to know some good cycle advice to cut up on for about 700bucks. Ive had abs with winny, but as soon as its over , so are the abs, and the tube is back. I wanna make the tube go away. Give me some stack advice.Help a Brother out.Thanks guys

[BCC]

No need to drop 700 dollars on a cycle bro.

Do some test with some tren. That's really all you need, that and a diet.

[MarioCisneros]

and how much would that test and tren be?

[gino]

Cheap. It varies.

Test alone and a good diet would be fine too. 500mg/week test combined with some will power and persistence is all you need. T3 could be a nice addition for a few weeks too.

[ryuage]

find a really cheap lipo doctor :)

[whitechocolate]

How long should i run the test and tren for optimal results, How much T3 should i throw in there??? The only reason i was gonna spend 700bucks is bc thats how much the HGH and test would cost and I figured I might be able to stack some other stuff and get good results for cheaper, but i also didnt wanna half ass this cutting cycle, i just finally wanna get those abs back. When i am on cycle, i blow up and so does my strength but i always have that gut.And when i cut, I lose weight but not my gut, I think my whole routine is ****ed,haha.

[ryuage]

id say tren prop/tren ace eod for 8-12 weeks...

[gino]

Research dieting more before you do anything. Do more cardio and/or try CKD to see how your body responds.

[SirTest2004]

im getin tren n test prop for my next cycle....never tried tren...but i cant wait!!!!

[ryuage]

I heard tren was good... people eat a **** load and still end up losing weight.. heh.

[BHerks]

I heard tren was good... people eat a **** load and still end up losing weight.. heh.


tren doesnt have any effect on fat burning, its just potent as hell and doesnt hold water weight.

forget the hgh, save for that when you have money to spend. just do some prop or cyp and winny or some test and t3, i personally dont like t3 but its your body so go for it.

[Gabrielle]

test, tren and winny...perhaps throw in some T3 or clen if you can handle it...good luck

[whitechocolate]

Ok, how much winny should i run, 20 days or 40 days at 50mg daily??? Tren, how much per week and also, test, i have some T400 on hand?? Or would some cyp be a better choice for a cutting cycle? I can get some T3 if needed, I dont wanna go too wild with it though. This stack with some cardio and a clean diet will rid me of this belly fat? Now is this stack gonna cut the fat off of me,or is it just gonna suck the water out of me?? I would like to get between 8-10% BF%.I started my journey at 165, four years ago, and i had abs then but now that i have been training for size and bulk, i cant seem to find my abs since. I weighed in at 214 today. I am only 5'9. I look like one of those before pics,haha. Thanks for the help so far, just help me out with the rest of my questions and i will get started on this next week and post some progress with it. Let me know about the dosages and duration? thanks guys

[ryuage]

your diet is what will ultimately cut the fat off

[chris6969]

AAS dont rid you of water. Most cause water retention.... Tren & Winn dont.

I think Test400 at 400mg/week..... and Tren at 75-100mg EOD would do the trick with a good diet. Work out 6 days/week. And cut your fat & carbs down.... keep the protein HIGH. And you'll shed quite a bit of fat... 12 weeks to maximize the results. Test 12 weeks, Tren for 6-8 weeks in the middle.

+ PCT

[gino]

If your gonna try T3, do it for no longer than 4 weeks, preferably at the point where your AS dosage is highest. I'd use it 4 weeks right in the middle of the cycle. Start off with 25mcg/day and add 25mcg every 3rd day until you reach 100-125mcg, and come back down the same way. Below is what the 4 week schedule might look like.

Day T3 MCG
1 25
2 25
3 25
4 50
5 50
6 50
7 75
8 75
9 75
10 100
11 100
12 100
13 125
14 125
15 125
16 125
17 100
18 100
19 75
20 75
21 75
22 50
23 50
24 50
25 25
26 25
27 25
28 25

Load up on guggul and sea kelp when you finish to support thyroid recovery.

[tony touch]

gino-i like G.W. lol

[smalls]

I heard tren was good... people eat a **** load and still end up losing weight.. heh.

People do say that quite a bit, but I have gained 22lbs in 7 weeks on 100mgs of tren and 125mg prop a day. Obviously people react differently to tren but diet is always the deciding factor. Just like you stated in a later post.
(smalls does not condone the dosages he uses, and suggest others use less, lol)

[chris6969]

well, the 125mg/prop ED?! may have something to do with the 22lbs also.
I was thinking he could do a moderate/low dose of both like 350mg/week of each.

Not 875mg of test and 700mg of tren per week?!

I have my tren ready.... going to start out 75mg EOD to see how it hits me.... then probably move up to 100+ EOD depending on the sides. I'm tenatively planning on starting after Nov 13th. Got a party where I know I will be drinking at that day. So one more week before I start my Tren only cycle in hopes of helping me get ripped.

I'll post before/after pics... results/sides.. etc..

[smalls]

well, the 125mg/prop ED?! may have something to do with the 22lbs also.
I was thinking he could do a moderate/low dose of both like 350mg/week of each.

Not 875mg of test and 700mg of tren per week?!

I have my tren ready.... going to start out 75mg EOD to see how it hits me.... then probably move up to 100+ EOD depending on the sides. I'm tenatively planning on starting after Nov 13th. Got a party where I know I will be drinking at that day. So one more week before I start my Tren only cycle in hopes of helping me get ripped.

I'll post before/after pics... results/sides.. etc..

The point I was trying to make was that tren will not burn weight off of you like some jackasses who dont know how to eat often spout off (not directed at you ryuage). Weight gain or loss is a result of eating more or less cals than you burn, even the magic bean that is tren cant change that.
Obviously I wasnt suggesting he use my dosages to diet. Good luck on your cycle.

[whitechocolate]

I just wanted to ask you guys one more time, is this the best stack and info to burn off the fat?? Is this the very best, and is this exactly what you guys use to get lean and cut.I know diet plays a key role in fat loss but i also know that tren and winny dont burn off fat, they help keep muscle while on a low calorie diet, well at least winny does. I am now 207 as of yesterday, i have been doing some good cardio this week and eating good, but it looks like i am shriveling up already and i am looking flat through the arms and shoulders. I just started the tren and test two days ago and i was just wanting to update you guys a little. But i just wanna make sure this is what you guys would def do if you were trying to reduce bf% from 15 to under 10%. Thanks guys for your help, i appreciate it all.

[chris6969]

Ok here's the best stack for fat loss
16 weeks
weeks 1-16 test-e 400mg/week (use arimidex to keep waterweight off also)
weeks 1-16 2iu's HGH ED (for fat loss 2 iu/day is enough)
weeks 1-8 Tren 100mg EOD
weeks 9-16 Winstol 100mg EOD
Clomid 100mg/day week17, then 50mg/day next 3 weeks
HCG 500iu/week weeks 3-16

Also get liposuction 1 month before you start so its even easier.

Also, you need to be on a HIGH protein, moderate carb and low fat DIET - (most important thing). Only take in good fats like omega & olive oils.

Do Cardio 3-4 days a week and weight train the other 3-4 days a week.

Sound good? I think you would be super lean if you do all of that. You might have a horrible lipid profile and elevated BP, but you'd be freakin lean! :)

Its probably longer than it needs to be... but I figure if you're doing HGH for 4 months you might as well has some good gear with it.

[smalls]

I just wanted to ask you guys one more time, is this the best stack and info to burn off the fat?? Is this the very best, and is this exactly what you guys use to get lean and cut.I know diet plays a key role in fat loss but i also know that tren and winny dont burn off fat, they help keep muscle while on a low calorie diet, well at least winny does. I am now 207 as of yesterday, i have been doing some good cardio this week and eating good, but it looks like i am shriveling up already and i am looking flat through the arms and shoulders. I just started the tren and test two days ago and i was just wanting to update you guys a little. But i just wanna make sure this is what you guys would def do if you were trying to reduce bf% from 15 to under 10%. Thanks guys for your help, i appreciate it all.

Getting flat and looking small is just part of dieting, a ****ty part but you gotta deal with it. From 15% to 10% this stack should be more than enough provided your diet and routine are in check. Keep lowering cals or increasing cardio based on results and you will be fine. It's only been two days keep it up, this takes time.

[whitechocolate]

Thanks, i appreciate it. I will keep you guys updated.

[Brawl]

Send me your 700 bucks and I'll send you a book an dieting and cardio .

[whitechocolate]

Well guys, i am 212, i have been doing cardio four days a week for a half hour, next week, i am gonna go up to 40mins. The fina is making me so hungry, my arms and chest and back and legs seem to be gettin harder and a little more cut, the gut is shrinkin a little but not much, it will probably be the last to go. Thanksgiving didnt help me in the middle of this either. I still think i am eating way too much but its mostly clean, but i am gonna cut some more calories and see how much i can cut off around the waistline. This is just an update, i took before pics, and i will post the after pics when i am finished, so you guys can critique my progress. Thanks

[chris6969]

This is just an update, i took before pics, and i will post the after pics when i am finished, so you guys can critique my progress. Thanks

Cool, I want to see some before & after pics...

So what cycle did you decide on?

[ryuage]

I think he went with the test+tren