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muscle chic
11-08-2004, 01:53 PM
http://inch-aweigh.com/dangeratkins.html

Scott S
11-08-2004, 01:58 PM
Did you mean to post this in the other thread?

No offense, but that's a ****ty article based on outdated research, and suspect because it is a commercial site with its own products to sell.

muscle chic
11-08-2004, 01:58 PM
I could pull up 100 more

Scott S
11-08-2004, 02:00 PM
100 more ****ty commercial sites?



ON EDIT: I should point out that I'm *not* picking on you personally, muscle chic. I've done a lot of reading about various diets and come to the conclusion that low-carb dieting is not essentially harmful if done properly, so if someone claims otherwise, I will call them on it. :)

muscle chic
11-08-2004, 02:15 PM
No "little boy" not commercial sites. I can see your very mind set when you should really be giving out good information. Meaning let him see both sides the good and bad before starting a "diet" like this.

Vido
11-08-2004, 02:17 PM
Carbs are the least important of the 3 macronutrients. If you can live without one, it's them. That doesn't necessarily mean you should, but you can.

Scott S
11-08-2004, 02:22 PM
No "little boy" not commercial sites. I can see your very mind set when you should really be giving out good information. Meaning let him see both sides the good and bad before starting a "diet" like this.

LOL @ "Little boy"

If you do have some good sites with actual studies to pack them up, I'd be interested in viewing them.

muscle chic
11-08-2004, 02:30 PM
Just making a point. They're out there. Atkins is a quick fix for fat not a way of living. No harm intended Scott.

Scott S
11-08-2004, 02:36 PM
Just making a point. They're out there. Atkins is a quick fix for fat not a way of living. No harm intended Scott.

Hey, I'm not taking any offense, just as I hope you don't.

I remain unconvinced that a low-carb diet is a) inherently unhealthy and b) not a sustainable way to eat.

Vido
11-08-2004, 02:38 PM
I remain unconvinced that a low-carb diet is a) inherently inhealthy and b) not a sustainable way to eat.

I'm right there with you Scott.

muscle chic
11-08-2004, 02:39 PM
How do you plan to "get big" without carbs? oatmeal,yams ect?

Scott S
11-08-2004, 02:42 PM
How do you plan to "get big" without carbs? oatmeal,yams ect?

Gluconeogenesis. :D

Vido
11-08-2004, 02:47 PM
How do you plan to "get big" without carbs? oatmeal,yams ect?

I don't think either of us are arguing for no carbs, but low carbs while strategically placing them (either via refeeds or centered around workouts) are good enough. However, we're talking more about dieting than bulking. When you're allowed to consume more overall calories, adding carbs into the mix is fine. When you are restricting calories, you first need your protein, and then your EFA's. Whether or not there is room for carbs after that depends on how severe your calorie restriction is.

P.S. I don't think either of us are small guys.

ryuage
11-08-2004, 02:49 PM
so what if one generally likes living the no carb life style naturally...!

Scott S
11-08-2004, 02:50 PM
I don't think either of us are arguing for no carbs, but low carbs while strategically placing them (either via refeeds or centered around workouts) are good enough. However, we're talking more about dieting than bulking. When you're allowed to consume more overall calories, adding carbs into the mix is fine. When you are restricting calories, you first need your protein, and then your EFA's. Whether or not there is room for carbs after that depends on how severe your calorie restriction is.

Yeah, the discussion had thus far been about losing weight. Carbs are a beautiful thing when bulking, not so necessary when cutting.


P.S. I don't think either of us are small guys.

Well, I am, but it's not due to my diet. ;)

muscle chic
11-08-2004, 02:55 PM
Yeah, the discussion had thus far been about losing weight. Carbs are a beautiful thing when bulking, not so necessary when cutting.

Yes, this is true.

Well, I am, but it's not due to my diet. ;)

muscle chic
11-08-2004, 02:59 PM
I don't think either of us are arguing for no carbs, but low carbs while strategically placing them (either via refeeds or centered around workouts) are good enough. However, we're talking more about dieting than bulking. When you're allowed to consume more overall calories, adding carbs into the mix is fine. When you are restricting calories, you first need your protein, and then your EFA's. Whether or not there is room for carbs after that depends on how severe your calorie restriction is.

P.S. I don't think either of us are small guys.

Hmmmm..... Either of us? I didn't realize this was a three way argument. Just a discussion my friend.
p.s. who said you were small? I said "little boy" to Scott. Not meaning small !! :evillaugh

Vido
11-08-2004, 03:03 PM
Hmmmm..... Either of us? I didn't realize this was a three way argument. Just a discussion my friend.
p.s. who said you were small? I said "little boy" to Scott. Not meaning small !! :evillaugh

I've been posting this whole time in both this thread and the other one.

You asked how we planned to "get big" without carbs. I was just saying we already are fairly "big", and at least in my case, it's been done without much use of carbs.

No offense taken though. It's a good discussion, let's keep it that way.