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Plunkan
12-11-2004, 12:05 PM
Hello.

I'm new here. Names Paul and I am a PT living in So. Cal. I am here to shed some new light on a subject that most people wouldn't even think of. Did you know that all food has digestive enzyzmes that are needed for the proper utilization of that particular food? Now you do. Keep that in mind. Cooking/burning is a chemical change. A chemical change is defined as one that is irreversible, changes the chemical make-up of the origianal substance, and adds new substances to the chemical struction of the original one. These substances in cooked food(cooked meat especially) are toxic and carcinogenic. Heterocyclic amines, AGE, lipid peroxides are a few off the long list. In addition to the carcinogenic byproducts of cooked food, the indigestibility because of mutilated or destroyed digestive enzymes should be enough to make you question whether or not we should be burning our food before we eat it. We are, after all, the only animal on the face of the planet that does this.
My diet that is life and health promoting is a raw omnivorous one. Incase, you are confused about the meaning of those words, I eat raw meat as well as raw vegetables.

No self promotion, please refer to http://www.wannabebigforums.com/guidelines.php

Frozenmoses
12-11-2004, 12:12 PM
Let's all dance and get e. coli!

ryuage
12-11-2004, 12:38 PM
woohoo! let me try it... not

Plunkan
12-11-2004, 12:49 PM
E coli is a bacteria, along with salmonella, that, if given the oppurtunity a health immune system creates immunity to. This happens in all organism, including ours. After 40 years of eating raw meats, including chicken and other fowl, the man that started this revolution here in So. Cal, has yet to have adverse reaction to the raw foods. Not that I am relying on one mans opinion, but the number of cancer remissions from his clients on this diet are so far superior to those in allopathic medicine that I would be foolish not to start. Go and look up what cooking does to food and then look up the thousands of people living free of disease because of a raw omnivorous diet.

ryuage
12-11-2004, 12:52 PM
and go look up how many people cook food rather then eating it raw... not to mention I rather put something in my mouth that actually tastes somewhat decent... yumm nice chewy chicken breast BARF

_-_v_-_
12-11-2004, 01:16 PM
Can we say...."moron"?

How about...."spamming moron"?

usertim
12-11-2004, 01:47 PM
Your statement that cooking the food produces poisons and toxins are absolutely true. A simple example is eating a completely burnt piece of toast, first off it'll taste like crap and probably isn't too good for you. Next you said cooking it changes the chemical reaction of the whatever it is is also true, and you may not even get as much proteins as you do eating it raw. However, the problem is that the benefits of eating it raw does not outweigh benefits of eating it cooked.


woohoo! let me try it... not

And you replied with:


E coli is a bacteria, along with salmonella, that, if given the oppurtunity a health immune system creates immunity to.

That is true, but one virus or disease cannot be compared to others in the sense. Yeah sure, you catch the cold, your body builds immunity to it, and it goes away in a week. Second time it comes around, your fine. Then there are some diseases that may cause you to be ill for 5 years? Is it worth it? I personally don't think so. What about HIV, thats simply a virus. And your body gets immune to viruses as well as bacteria doesn't it?

So your statements are true, but it's too risky

Optimum08
12-11-2004, 02:40 PM
hmm i think ill stick with cooking my food...the whole raw food deal doesn't excite me that much...but chicken breast with some wild rice and some green beans do (all cooked of course)

Patz
12-12-2004, 12:03 AM
i like hotdogs with as much black on them as possible..oh and burned bacon,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm

I saw this guy on TV make a raw taco for Jay Leno on the tonight show. Jay looked like he wanted to barf

I don't have an appendix. I think that means I can't eat raw meat. Woe is me. I shall now go kill myself because I can't eat the steak right out of the meatcase at the store.

Patz
12-12-2004, 12:33 AM
OK..I actually went to the site and read the whole thing. Can someone else read the diet section, then the training section and explain how he explains the old-school bodybuilders getting big on cooked meat?

This guy is in good shape. I'll give him that.

EdgeCrusher
12-12-2004, 12:37 AM
Why is this not causing his banning

Lance
12-12-2004, 01:17 AM
Why would this cause him to be banned? Because you don't believe in 'his' beliefs of eating raw foods?

Patz
12-12-2004, 02:51 AM
I think there's something to the raw lifestyle, but I also don't care enough to try it. Steak with A1 rocks!

Also, the only reason he came on here was to plug his site. He probably put and identical post on every forum he could find. Maybe to get clients?

ryuage
12-12-2004, 03:50 AM
actually this guy goes to every bb board he can find on google then preaches his crap.

geoffgarcia
12-12-2004, 01:03 PM
spam

Lance
12-12-2004, 01:18 PM
Oh, well that explains it.

Otherwise, i was going to say. I may think daily enemas are great for colon and intestinal health, am i going to be banned now because you don't think so?

Lol.

BTW, why would he spam this though? He's not trying to sell anything. I think he's just trying to turn people onto some 'different' ways of doing things.

Pringlewheels
12-12-2004, 01:29 PM
I read somewhere that cooking meat makes the proteins easier to digest or something

thetopdog
12-12-2004, 04:38 PM
You guys need to open your minds at little. I'm not saying he's right, but he's not trying to sell anything, just give a new perspective, and you all immediately start $hitting on him for no reason. At least read over what the guy has to say and the science behind it before insulting him for trying to help us all out. Just becuase something goes against what you've been hearing all your life doesn't mean it can't be valid

Patz
12-12-2004, 09:41 PM
read his website..i did..it'll only take ten or fifteen minutes..the guy is in good shape

I still don't understand how he explains how the old-school bodybuilders put on muscle eating cooked meat and water, when his whole plug is his raw diet? He chalked it up to the body adjusting to the stress of weights no matter what they ate, so I don't see why he bothers.

TTT
12-13-2004, 02:16 AM
Let's all dance and get e. coli!

HAHA!

And absolutely true. Or something worse.

Another thing is, the guy he's referring to could be from the "deep end" of the gene pool, so to speak. Not everyone has that kind of immunity.
And I can guarantee you, if you get a super-critical dose of a particular pathogen, it's not going to matter whether you're "immune" to it or not.

Plunkan
12-13-2004, 10:28 AM
Hello everyone...as expected, just like I reacted at first, I am getting some flak for this. I don't mind, if you want to look into it more, look up the originator of the whole movement here in LA-Aajonus Vonderplanitz. If you type in to google, you'll get 1000 hits full of interveiws which will explain this probably alot better than I am. He treats everyone from cancer patients to perfectly "healthy" people. He explains it much better than I do. I recently wrote my thesis on this raw omnivorous diet and did so without the use of just Aajonus's opinion, for the sake of proper scientific method. Infact, I did the nearly the whole thing with sources only based on biological/oberservable fact. I will soon update my site with a bibliography.

ryuage
12-13-2004, 11:49 AM
so your whole point in posting this is to what, convert us to eating raw foods?

TTT
12-13-2004, 12:00 PM
I think it's just to let us know the alternative exists. Which is fair enough. But I don't think I'll be changing to it anytime soon.

Teh BDK
12-13-2004, 01:11 PM
Aajonus Vonderplanitz

I don't trust it because the originator is an alien.

Pringlewheels
12-13-2004, 02:55 PM
The site is very interesting





I would do it out of sheer laziness, i cant be assed cooking sometimes.. I just worry a lump of raw chicken will pretty much kill me... WOuld i have to eat a little bit more every day so my system keeps up??? I mean do you have to slowly acclimatise yourself

Patz
12-13-2004, 03:34 PM
My little sister used to walk around chewing on raw bacon when she was 4 or 5. It never hurt her, but bacon is loaded with preservatives I think, and maybe that has an effect. If I even think I touched raw meat, or something that has been in contact with raw meat, my hands are gettin washed pronto. I just remember the "Jack in the Box" incidents (I know that had to do with fecal matter, but it's close enough) and I'm breakin out the skillet!

Patz
12-13-2004, 04:34 PM
I read an interview done with that Aajonus Vonderplanitz..I think he's got a screw loose..

***if this isn't appropriate, go ahead and edit it out, but it seems ok since it's semi-scientific****

interviewer:
One of the effects of eating the raw animal products, I have noticed, is an increased sex drive (without Viagra). You don't mention this specifically in your book (if so, I missed it), however there are several references to the high level of sex that you and your clients enjoy. What are your findings in this area and do you regard sexual energy as a health indicator? While Hygiene does not frown on sex, they do caution that over activity in this area is very enervating and to be avoided. What are your views about what is over activity and its possible harmful effects?

Response:
I cherish all enjoyments of embodiment. My greatest pleasure is sexual sensuality. - It is the highest measure of bodily euphoria, the best feeling. - It is a balance for the routines of society that often lack pleasure. - When I was under stress, which is rare for my state of excellent health now, it released tension.
When I was a vegan/fruitarian, ejaculatory orgasm was pleasurable but draining. I got depressed, anxious and irritable if had regular ejaculations. I have always had a high level of sex hormones and have always since age 3 craved orgasm. My sexual appetite did not change on any diet that I tried. On a raw vegan/fruitarian diet I became more sexually frustrated.
Now that I consume so much raw protein and fat, I enjoy sex 1-6 hours, have up to 3 ejaculations, and maintain energy with only 5-6 hours sleep daily. I feel like I have finally achieved and chosen heaven on Earth.
Regarding sexual energy as a health indicator seems erroneous. Some people simply do not have active sex glands and have little sex hormones. resulting in low sex drive. However, they can be incredibly healthy.


In your book, you stated that you have not engaged in any form of physical exercise (excluding sex of course) for the last seven years and have been able to stay in excellent condition. How do you explain this apparent contradiction from the accepted present view that stressing the muscles is a requirement to maintaining good physical conditioning?

When people don't eat enough stable and/or digestible protein they lack proteins to maintain all tissue, including muscle. I have found that raw nuts, seeds and germinated grains and nuts do not provide most people with stable protein for properly building and maintaining well-formed tissue. When most people eat cooked protein they consume lipid oxides and protein toxins causing unstable nutrients for building or maintaining all tissues unless they exercise. When they stop exercising muscles most often dissipate readily and easily.
The seven-year statement was in the context of 1986. It has been 19 years as of April 1998 that I have not engaged in any form of physical exercise except roller-skating once a month and regular sex.
Because I consume raw proteins and fat in the form of 1-3 pounds of meat (seafood, red meat and fowl) daily, my body stays naturally muscular and fit. Most animals, if fed their fresh, raw natural diets maintain excellent tone without exercise.


I think he's an interesting guy, nonetheless..

ectx
12-13-2004, 10:27 PM
E coli is a bacteria, along with salmonella, that, if given the oppurtunity a health immune system creates immunity to. This happens in all organism, including ours. After 40 years of eating raw meats, including chicken and other fowl, the man that started this revolution here in So. Cal, has yet to have adverse reaction to the raw foods. Not that I am relying on one mans opinion, but the number of cancer remissions from his clients on this diet are so far superior to those in allopathic medicine that I would be foolish not to start. Go and look up what cooking does to food and then look up the thousands of people living free of disease because of a raw omnivorous diet.

tell that to the individuals who have lost their lives or their children to EH 0157

As a microbiolgist I can tell you that immunity to S. typhi toxin, vibrio, etc is hard to come by. These organisms undergo processes called antigenic variation that constantly change their antigenic structures to evade our immune system.

Even some sushi undergoes a special process by which freezing will kill most helminths.

I don't mean to take away from what you're saying, I just think that it's important to look at this from all angles.

Patz
12-14-2004, 12:37 AM
i didn't mean to copy so much of that interview..i'm going back to edit