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Atomical
01-20-2005, 06:06 PM
Before bed I take 120g of time release protein in two powders ProBolic-SR and HDT Pro Blend 55. I'm not sure if this is healthy or not or if it would make me gain weight. I mix the drink with water not wanting to take any chances. My workouts are pretty intense and I just hope I'm not going in the wrong direction with my diet.

Also, is it good to have a carb shake of say 55g of carbs after a workout?

Optimum08
01-20-2005, 06:10 PM
why would protein be detrimental to your health? if protein hurts u then chicken hurts you, beef hurts you etc....you don't need 120g of protein before bed...i take in about 50-60g (a mix of casein, whey and many others) becuz i eat 1/2 c. of cottage cheese and take a scoop of nitrean in 15 oz of skim milk...the 120g isn't gonna hurt you and u can take it with milk...but thats overdoing it a lil bit...it also depends on your weight...u wanna shoot for about 1g of protein per lb. of body weight....and 55g. of carbs PWO might be a little much but it is fine cuz u need the muscle glycogen anyway...just make sure it is dextrose or maltodextrin and not sucrose etc.....

Optimum08
01-20-2005, 06:11 PM
the time-released protein isn't really neccessary....by the way how much do u spend on supplements a month? with all that timed released stuff and judging by how much u take it looks like it runs pretty high...

AdmiralDan
01-20-2005, 06:11 PM
if you want to gain, it is about your calorie balance, not what you eat before bed

smalls
01-20-2005, 06:39 PM
if you want to gain, it is about your calorie balance, not what you eat before bed

Good post. If your not gaining weight eat more.

the doc
01-20-2005, 07:20 PM
it depends on your goals as to what you want to eat b 4 bed but generally speaking that is excessive

waynis
01-20-2005, 08:06 PM
if you want to gain, it is about your calorie balance, not what you eat before bed

true. I think you are wasting your money and going over the top on protein before bed. If you get enough protein threw out the day you don't need all that. Take like 1 scoop of your time released protein and you should be good along with your daily protein.

Adam
01-20-2005, 10:09 PM
My time released protein shake:
Scoop of whey & TBSP of PB.

waynis
01-21-2005, 08:38 AM
mine is 1 tbsp of flax and 1 cup of 2% cottage cheese.

iLUDEd
01-22-2005, 06:34 PM
120g is kind of excessive, no?

Atomical
01-22-2005, 07:18 PM
Yes, but right now I'm up to 5 miles a day at an 8:30 pace. Besides that I work out 3 days a week. In a few weeks I will be running 10 miles a day. How many grams of protein should I have before bed after I get to 10 miles?

iLUDEd
01-22-2005, 08:10 PM
IMO it comes down to total calories for the day, it doesn't matter a great deal if you have them over 4 or 5 meals, or what time in the day you get them.

how much protein & calories are you getting a day? and whats your maintenance level?

the one
01-26-2005, 12:14 PM
i think its safe to say itll be close to impossible to gain weight running 10 miles a day no matter what you eat before bed.

JimboJones
01-26-2005, 12:20 PM
it's also safe to say that taking more protein isn't going to make you run faster or longer. you need carbs if you're going to run 10 miles per day, and LOTS of them if you want to run 10 miles/day and gain muscle.

the one
01-26-2005, 12:21 PM
good point jimbo

TheGimp
01-26-2005, 12:31 PM
i think its safe to say itll be close to impossible to gain weight running 10 miles a day no matter what you eat before bed.

Why? Calories in vs. calories out.

JTyrell710
01-26-2005, 12:44 PM
aerobic exercise = decrease in fiber size for optimal aerobic capacity.
or something like that.
and you will need carbs by the boatload. BOATLOAD.

the one
01-26-2005, 06:58 PM
yes i understand the concept of cals in vs cals out. but do you know how many cals you would have to eat in order to gain weight while running 10miles a day??? i bet a whoooooooole lot.

Adam
01-26-2005, 07:05 PM
Its not only cals in vs. cals out when it comes to muscle gain.
An exagerated example is some local fatass. He eat 10bags of chips. Lets say thats 10000cals. So he took in 10,000 but only burnt 2,000. The other 8,000goes to building fat, no muscle(our fatass lives in his bed).
You also have to take in account hormone changes and ****.
And your test will only go so far for recovery.

Adam
01-26-2005, 07:06 PM
Those were all numbers to illustrate my point. no actual meaning to them.

the one
01-26-2005, 07:35 PM
i understand that kevin im just speakin in general terms, you need an excess of kcals to gain weight. (without gettin too technical)

TheGimp
01-27-2005, 03:08 AM
Of course you would need to eat a lot. But it's not impossible by any means.

crazedwombat
01-27-2005, 06:54 AM
120 is too much. 50 is all your body can take in anyways per setting..50-60? if you're running that much dont expect to get huge....but you'll be cut.

Adam
01-27-2005, 06:57 AM
thats an old myth.
That old myth is BS.

TheGimp
01-27-2005, 07:33 AM
:withstupi


50 is all your body can take in anyways per setting

Define "take in". The body is very efficient and will process almost everything you give it. It is unlikely it will all go to muscle building however.

fen2zla
01-27-2005, 07:36 AM
The body is very efficient and will process almost everything you give it. It is unlikely it will all go to muscle building however.

:withstupi

Vapour Trails
01-27-2005, 11:49 AM
Split your protein intake at bedtime to about half and you'll be good.

And contrary to what some people in this thread have mentioned, when you eat is as important as what you eat. Just because you are eating an excess of calories doesn't mean your going to grow LBM. That energy has to be supplied at the right time.

smalls
01-27-2005, 12:19 PM
Split your protein intake at bedtime to about half and you'll be good.

And contrary to what some people in this thread have mentioned, when you eat is as important as what you eat. Just because you are eating an excess of calories doesn't mean your going to grow LBM. That energy has to be supplied at the right time.

Why would splitting his intake in half make him "good." When you eat can be important but it's not nearly as important as what or how much.

Vapour Trails
01-27-2005, 02:45 PM
Why would splitting his intake in half make him "good." When you eat can be important but it's not nearly as important as what or how much.

Because 60 g protein is reasonable before bed.

I suggest you read the articles on nutrient timing Dr.Bernardi. I'm not going into a big long explanation right now but you should eat the majority of calories/protein in the few hours before and after you work out. Eating excess cals when you body in not acute restoration isn't going to help you gain much muscle, but maybe fat.

superdeathflame
01-27-2005, 03:16 PM
Eating more doesn't give you muscle, it just makes you fat. Bulking is mainly gaining fat with a bit of muscle unless you get your workout/muscle just right. People here talk a lot about gaining weight, but that's easy, just eat more, anyone can do that, but gaining MUSCLE is a skill in itself.

smalls
01-27-2005, 06:17 PM
Because 60 g protein is reasonable before bed.

I suggest you read the articles on nutrient timing Dr.Bernardi. I'm not going into a big long explanation right now but you should eat the majority of calories/protein in the few hours before and after you work out. Eating excess cals when you body in not acute restoration isn't going to help you gain much muscle, but maybe fat.


LOL, i've read the articles. He's still a supplement salesmen. If you think your body is only in restoration a few hours after your workout you keep eating that way. I'll continue to put on muscle. Well both be happy.

the one
01-28-2005, 11:07 AM
:withstupi

Shao-LiN
01-29-2005, 01:26 AM
120 is too much. 50 is all your body can take in anyways per setting..50-60? if you're running that much dont expect to get huge....but you'll be cut.

Not true. All that protein gets digested no matter how much you eat. It may not all be used towards building/repairing muscle, but it will get digested all the same. It's not like your body sees 50g of protein and then the rest doesn't count.