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reso
11-20-2001, 08:01 PM
fat such as Oliveoil or something slows down absorption rate with protein while sleeping?

how about whole eggs?

Wizard
11-21-2001, 04:05 AM
It's the same thing.
Don't try it though because your Growth hormone levels will decline...

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-21-2001, 06:53 AM
Are you saying not to eat fat before bed Blackie?

I've been told that some EFA's before bed provides a more anabolic state.

Wizard
11-21-2001, 08:54 AM
GH is the best hormone for increased recovery.

I'm not saying not to eat fat before bed,but it's better to avoid eating fat 2-3hours before bed.
The same principle applies to the preworkout meal too.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-21-2001, 10:27 AM
But EFA's are necessary for hormone formation are they not?

Wizard
11-21-2001, 10:51 AM
If you mean for test production then yes.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-21-2001, 10:54 AM
I'm sure they're used in more than just testosterone blackie.

Wizard
11-21-2001, 10:58 AM
Me too.I'm also sure that they're not used in GH production anyway..

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-21-2001, 11:05 AM
ace, i wanna see other folk's responses. We could have another groovy debate to go on here :)

the doc
11-21-2001, 11:33 AM
blackie, how does fat inhibit hGH?
Insulin is antagonistic to hGH release, thus no carbs before bed
with regard to fat i haven't heard this...

Tryska
11-21-2001, 11:42 AM
i would think if anything, fat would promote hgh....it's a fairly complex molecule..and seeing as DHEA is the mother of all hormones, and dhea is built off of cholestrol and arachidonic acid (among others)....hgh would follow the same path...i've got a map of hormones somewhere but i don't have access to it right now...

Jane
11-21-2001, 12:53 PM
i had always thought cottage cheese and nuts was a great pre-bedtime snack

Wizard
11-21-2001, 02:03 PM
Free fatty acids, prevent GH release by the pituitary gland.I'm sure and I remember that Miss Abs had said the same thing a long time ago.
When you consume fat,obviously,free fatty acids levels in the blood are raised.

Jane
11-21-2001, 03:26 PM
so what would you suggest for a pre-bed eating?

Wizard
11-21-2001, 03:32 PM
Milk or egg protein or tuna/chicken/turkey.

Scooby-Doo
11-21-2001, 04:12 PM
hmm...

reso
11-21-2001, 04:24 PM
to many concepts in dieting
ifs and donts
god dam.........when we eat SH1tty we dont even think about the p/c/f but when we diet it becomes so complex pffft

Alex.V
11-21-2001, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Wizard
Free fatty acids, prevent GH release by the pituitary gland.I'm sure and I remember that Miss Abs had said the same thing a long time ago.



Incorrect. But you may have a cookie anyway.

This was only conclusively shown in a single study on obese individuals. Certain fats actually STIMULATE gh release.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-21-2001, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Belial
Certain fats actually STIMULATE gh release.

ace. Which ones?

Alex.V
11-21-2001, 06:03 PM
GLA. (Omega-6 rich Borage oil is a good source.)

Jane
11-21-2001, 06:07 PM
borage oil?? hmm...anything more conviniently applicable?

Tryska
11-21-2001, 06:09 PM
borage is good for your hair...EPO has GLA too.

Jane
11-21-2001, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Tryska
EPO has GLA too.

lol, i have no idea what you just said

Tryska
11-21-2001, 06:14 PM
sorry.

Evening Primrose Oil has Gamma Linoleic Acid too.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-21-2001, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Jane
borage oil?? hmm...anything more conviniently applicable?

yeah, what else is omega-6 rich?

[hey, i sound like a powe ranger. ace.]

Tryska
11-21-2001, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Tryska
sorry.

Evening Primrose Oil has Gamma Linoleic Acid too.

GLA = omega 6.

Wizard
11-22-2001, 12:48 AM
Belial,right,that's the study I had read.

Ok then!

Omega-6,found in polyunsaturated vegetable oils,are generally necessary for stimulating skin and hair growth,regulating metabolism,promoting the transport of fatty acids from the liver to the tissues,and maintaining reproductive performance.

So,you tell me that vegetable oils,as sunflower oil,safflower oil, corn oil and soybean oil-which contain omega 6-,are promoting gh production? You mean that mayonnaise promotes gh production?

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-22-2001, 01:11 PM
so what did we all decide on? fat before bed good or fat before bed bad?

Scooby-Doo
11-22-2001, 01:52 PM
I think good but i'm confused :confused:

PowerManDL
11-22-2001, 02:02 PM
I still don't know why everyone's hung up on hGH release-- personally, I'd rather get the calories in me and keep muscle from wasting instead of starving and hoping for some transitory hormone spike that really won't have any effect.

Carbs before bed are a bad idea because of fat storage yeah-- but I can't see taking some oil or nuts before bed as being harmful.

Repeating: natural hGH release is *not* a critical factor in training or recovery.

Jane
11-22-2001, 08:00 PM
yeah, it seems to me that letting your body starve during those 8 hours would be detrimental. i think a little fat+protein before bed is beneficial. As long as it all works out in your daily macronutrient totals and percentages.

then again, I really don't know what I'm talking about here.

PowerManDL
11-22-2001, 08:01 PM
Sounds good to me.

Scooby-Doo
11-22-2001, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by PowerManDL
Sounds good to me.

:nod:

Wizard
11-23-2001, 01:43 AM
I repeat:Free fatty acids, prevent GH release by the pituitary gland.
Not that GH won't be produced but the production will be lower.

Omega 6 don't promote GH production.

However I agree with Power:"personally, I'd rather get the calories in me and keep muscle from wasting instead of starving and hoping for some transitory hormone spike that really won't have any effect."

I agree because even if GH is produced,as long as you had not met the adequate caloric needs,you know that you won't grow because GH won't be able to promote an anabolic effect.

The optimum meal before bed should definitaly contain some protein and some low GI carbs as well and I believe that a small amount of fat won't make a noticable difference but I can't forget what I recently read in a study.(that fat prevents GH release.)

So,we're able to agree and say that a small portion of fat is accepted.(because we don't have the scientific data to prove that fat hinders GH release).