helping my cousins first cycle....

[big calvin]

ok im was helping my cousin with his first cycle, i dont know everything but i think i came up with a pretty good first basic cycle..right now hes 185 at 6' he has been training for i think 4 years and is 24 years old. he doesnt want to lose his hair but i tried to explain to him if his genetics are for him to be bald then steroids is gonna quickin that...ok so he says hes useing shampoos and crap for it...next i have convinced him to use test . its about time! he thinks thats like the worst...but i explained to him its only a little and if he wants to keep my cousin(hes my cousin in law) happy in bed then its a must. so here is what i came up for him.

wk deca(wk) sus(wk) winny(ED) clomid(ED)
1......400mg
2......400mg
3......400mg......250mg......50mg
4......400mg......250mg......50mg
5......400mg......250mg......50mg
6......400mg......250mg......50mg
7......400mg......250mg......50mg
8......400mg......250mg......50mg
9.......................250mg......50mg
10.....................250mg......50mg
11.........................................................100mg
12.........................................................,50mg

i dont know what else to tell him. if he should come off with anything else or cloms is fine....i

i also told him to use alot of milk thristle,cranberry ext.

thanks guys.

[Maki Riddington]

My own opinion I would drop the Deca and bump the sust up or trade it for a cheaper test.

Run it for 8 weeks at 500 mg and start the winny at week 8 and run it for 4 weeks.

He should see some nasty gains on that granted his training and eating is on par.

[FLEX 2000]

start the sus from week 1 and continue to week 8, end the winny at week 10 then start clomid.

[Severed Ties]

I'd bump the Test to 500/week and start it week 1, you could drop the Deca, I don't see the need for 3 drugs on his first cycle. get him some finasteride, it should protect his hair and keep his acne down. If he's worried about bloat look into arimidex.

Start clomid on day 1

I'd only run winny 6 weeks, so weeks 5-10

ST

[YatesNightBlade]

I agree with ST. 3 drugs not needed.

I'd only run it for 8 weeks too. Everything else looks good (given that his training and diet are in order). He's gonna grow from just looking at 400mg of deca so there is no need for any bigger course. If anything I'd say less.

[big calvin]

thanks guys...well he already has the deca and winny so hes gonna want to use them,.....unless i can convince him to save the deca for another cycle....ok so say sus or another test with winny for the first cycle....thats gonna be hard to convince him to not use the deca....ill see what he says about it....if he tell me just deca(400mg) and winny(50mgED) would that be ok for him?

ps. yates, its bravel brand...i know i know he was gonna use 200mg a week but i told him to up it to 400 cause of the underdosing....

[big calvin]

severed ties: why start clomid from day 1? i though it was used post cycle? thanks.

[MWB]

Clomid will keep some estrogen from binding to recepters during the cycle. Arimidex will help eliminate steriods from converting to estrogen. Using both together will work very well at eliminating excess bloat. The clomid could probably be used 50mg EOD during the cycle, then post cycle use what you had planned.

[Severed Ties]

MWB got it, Clomid works as an anti-estrogen, I recommended he use Test so Clomid is to prevent gyno, It is also possible that clomid may reduce testicular shrinkage during the cycle.

If he's going to go with Deca/winny have him buy some Test before he starts, the cycle could reak havoc on his sex drive, he may be fine however Deca dick is very depressing so I'd have it incase the situation comes about.

IMO brovel is garbage, I'd get some syringe filters.

ST

[big calvin]

thanks! ill tell him his best bet is to go with test/winny. and if not use those syringe's.

thanks guys.

[Tadger]

At those dosages you shouldn't have to worry about gyno or water retention. I'd just leave the clomid until the end of the cycle. There was a post on this earlier... but just to recap:

"As you know, tamoxifen, clomiphene and several of their metabolites compete for cytoplasmic receptor sites. The tamoxifen/clompihene-receptor complexes are still translocated to the nucleus as usual, but binding to the nuclear chromatin doesn't take place in the typical manner and persists longer than estrogen-receptor complexes... thus reducing DNA synthesis and also estrogen responses. Tamoxifen and clomiphene also increase production of inhibitory factors like Transforming Growth Factor (TGF) -beta and decrease production of TGF-alpha and also IGF-1."

I've also read that clomiphene's effect on the hpta also drops off rather sharply after about two weeks from what I've read, so it's best to try and confine it to the end of your cycle.

As far as the cycle goes, I'd lean more toward sumthin like:
week 1-8 test 500mg/week
week 1-8 deca 400mg/week

The water retention shouldn't be much of a problem at all... and if you drink enough water and watch your carbs and sodium intake then you should have no problem at all. You'll see better gains than you would with test/winny.