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Pup
11-23-2001, 06:13 AM
Chigs and i were discussing the merits of skim milk (or milk in general) this morning and were wondering what everyone's opinion on it was.

Jane
11-23-2001, 06:18 AM
skim milk is good. 2 cups every morning. that is my opinion.

beercan
11-23-2001, 06:25 AM
I use 1%. Milk makes you big and strong. I'm working my way up to a gallon a day.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 06:30 AM
and what is everyone's view on lactose?

w8lifter
11-23-2001, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
and what is everyone's view on lactose?

lactose = evil :bash:

I drink lactose-free milk

Tryska
11-23-2001, 06:45 AM
i think milk is just fine, actually. in moderation of course.

lactose isn't that bad either once you consider it takes a while for it to break down to glucose and a glactose....thereby being good if you are trying to manage insulin response. But that's if you are not lactose intolerant.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 06:47 AM
W8lifter, why do you consider it to be evil?



It's not exactly high on the GI.

what's your view about using milk for post workout?

Tryska
11-23-2001, 06:50 AM
post-workout isn't the best time chigs. the casein slows down the uptake. thought you knew this already?

big calvin
11-23-2001, 06:51 AM
milk for pre workout rules! slow carbs,slow protiens but not for post...use some juice/gatorade and whey....

reso
11-23-2001, 06:51 AM
all u haters on MILK u just mad:/ milk does the body good:)

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 06:54 AM
Tina, my apologies, i wrote the question wrong. I have re-wrote it now. I want other people's opinions, not my own.


Here's something i got from the archives:

"lactose is broken down from a disacceride to its monosaccaride equivalents -1 glucose and 1 galactose. Then in the small intestinal walls, the UDP-gal process converts the galactose to glucose. It (glucose) can replace muscle glycogen. Therefore it is not like fruit (fructose) which is processed in the liver and stays there."

so milk can be good for post workout. if you check my post in the supps forum about mixing whey and casein then this could be seen as a good substance for post workout!

Tryska
11-23-2001, 06:58 AM
oh..in that case.....post-workout isn't the best time for milk, chigs.

imo - the casein is too slow acting to be used by the muscles....post-workout you want it a high insuling spike, and easily absorbable protein, which is why whey and malto in water really winds up being ideal.

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by Tryska
post-workout you want it a high insuling spike,


Do i? :)

Tryska
11-23-2001, 07:10 AM
are you making fun of my illiteracy or are you trying to pull me into your GI drama again?

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Tryska
are you trying to pull me into your GI drama again?

:nod:

Tryska
11-23-2001, 07:15 AM
a la Dana Carvey...

"not gonna be able ta doit...wouldn't be prudent."

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Tryska
oh..in that case.....post-workout isn't the best time for milk, chigs.

imo - the casein is too slow acting to be used by the muscles.... and easily absorbable protein,

go read my post:

http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=5895&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

w8lifter
11-23-2001, 07:22 AM
W8lifter, why do you consider it to be evil? It's not exactly high on the GI. what's your view about using milk for post workout?


But that's if you are not lactose intolerant.

It is evil because I think I am lactose intolerant LOL :D

I drink milk post workout. I'm not as scientific as some of you though. Works for me :p

Tryska
11-23-2001, 07:25 AM
okay...interesting article...may i question your sources?

(it wouldn't happen to be a protein powder manufacturer would it?)

YatesNightBlade
11-23-2001, 07:59 AM
I have about 1.5 pints before bed. with cottage cheese, flax and some egg whites.

Tis the only time I have it. I've heard some people having a pint inbetween meals. Anyone else heard this ??

The_Chicken_Daddy
11-23-2001, 09:19 AM
Tina, it is from T-mag.com


It does sell supps yes.

Wizard
11-23-2001, 09:27 AM
IMO milk is great.If you have problems with lactose digestion,eat some yoghurts with probiotic cultures.

I use 1% with added VitA+VitD+VitE.It's great.

Tryska
11-23-2001, 09:28 AM
well damn....i've been all kinds of wrong today then......i must be getting retarded.

Wizard
11-23-2001, 09:31 AM
No way.. I like you as you are! ;)

Tryska
11-23-2001, 09:35 AM
hee hee....why thank you blackie..you are pretty cool yourself...;)

Jane
11-23-2001, 02:06 PM
what about the people out there who insist that humans aren't *meant* to drink cow's milk, and also there are those who say we aren't *meant* to eat any grain products?

PowerManDL
11-23-2001, 02:09 PM
Well, then we also aren't meant to eat cow, or any living thing from the earth.

Let's just keep everyone happy and eat rocks and dirt.

Well, no, then they'd just bitch about how we're endangering rocks.

I say live by the "**** You" Creed--

Got a problem with what I'm doing? **** You.

See? Its easy AND fun.

Tryska
11-23-2001, 02:09 PM
oh them.

hmmm.

well they can kiss my :moon:

Ironman15
11-23-2001, 03:15 PM
Milk=yummy

I drink about a gallon a day. Good stuff.

Scooby-Doo
11-23-2001, 08:01 PM
I really like skim milk, I drink 4-5 cups a day on average :)

body
11-24-2001, 03:47 AM
milk equates to 100 grams of protein for 3 grams of fat per day on average.
No lactose intolerance for me.

<--------huge stomach cramps, diarrohea.lol

Reinier
11-24-2001, 07:37 AM
why whey and malto in water really winds up being ideal.


Tryska whats malto?

Tryska
11-24-2001, 07:52 AM
maltodextrin.

Reinier
11-24-2001, 08:04 AM
and just whats that?
i wanna know price function dosing availability chemical formula all of it

Wizard
11-24-2001, 08:19 AM
Maltodextrins are easily digestible carbohydrates made from natural corn starch.
The starch is cooked,and then acid and/or enzymes are used to break the starch into smaller polymers (a process similar to that used by the body to digest carbohydrate).

It is used in soup powders,concentrates and spices,spice flavour blends,cheese sauces,cream sauces, pizza sauces and salad dressings as a bodying agent,flavour enhancer,oxygen barrier.

It has a PH of 4-7 and a moisture of 5%(max).

Reinier
11-24-2001, 08:25 AM
so its used to create that post workout insulin spike that helps you absorb your whey better?

is it worth it and what does it cost?

Reinier
11-24-2001, 08:26 AM
how does it compare to for instance white bread used for that?

Wizard
11-24-2001, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by Reinier
so its used to create that post workout insulin spike that helps you absorb your whey better?
:nod:

is it worth it and what does it cost?
**It costs ~2,5$ per pound...

TheBoyWonder
11-24-2001, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Ironman15
Milk=yummy

I drink about a gallon a day. Good stuff.

I'm the same way, Ironnman15. Last winter I was going through at least a gallon a day and I felt great! I'd much rather drink milk than pop--it's a lot healthier for you, it's got a good ratio of protein and vitamins, and the calcium's great for your bones.

I say as long as your stomach can take the lactose, go for it!

Scooby-Doo
11-24-2001, 07:07 PM
I agree with that BoyWonder :thumbup:

john992
12-07-2001, 12:05 PM
The higher the MF % the lower amount of lactose in the product....ie cheese, homogenized milk have lower lactose levels then say skim milk and low fat yoghurt

big
12-07-2001, 01:04 PM
I drink gallon milk a day.