Zmass Pm

[GymRat1]

Is this chit any good? Dood told me it would help me sleep better and promote positive test. Just wondering if any of you have had good results with it? Thanks....

[smithyman]

I'm wondering the same thing, if ZMA in general is any good. I've read good things, but i can't tell if these sites are objective or not. Mostly from what I've read, it helps. I took one dose the other night and slept GREAT. I felt a difference during and after my sleep. I had more intense dreams, and remembered them more. I felt more rested the next day. However, I take Multi-pro 32x provitamins as well. It gives me 25% of my magnesium, and 200% of my zinc for the day. Since ZMA is zinc, magnesium, and b-6, I also wonder if too much zinc or any of these minerals is a bad thing. Anyone more knowledgable than me want to clue me in?

[Vido]

It's good...if you're deficient in zinc.

[CrazyK]

I've seen quite a few studies saying that ZMA is a great test booster. If anything, it definately helps me sleep a lot harder, which promotes growth in and of itself.

[GymRat1]

I've seen quite a few studies saying that ZMA is a great test booster. If anything, it definately helps me sleep a lot harder, which promotes growth in and of itself. Sounds great, so far! Additional opinions are most welcome!

[Shao-LiN]

It may promote test increases to a minor degree, but nothing noticeable. It has helped me sleep better, though.

[CrazyK]

It may promote test increases to a minor degree, but nothing noticeable. It has helped me sleep better, though.That's not nessacarily true.

[Franco]

What vido said. Essentially Its a collection of vits/minerals, of which if you are deficient you will get some marginal benefit from.

[Holto]

I've seen quite a few studies saying that ZMA is a great test booster

really ?

can you post them/link to them ?

I think it's well established that ZMA does nothing other than improve sleep

[Vido]

That's not nessacarily true.

lol, NOTHING promotes anything other than "minor" test increases other than gear. If ZMA was so good, everyone would be using it. If your sleep is improved as a result, then great...don't think it's doing much else though.

[Shao-LiN]

That's not nessacarily true.

And what is? You saying that it has a greater impact on increase in testosterone. It is not even close to on par with prohormones.

[CrazyK]

I'll enlighten the ignorant http://www.snac.com/res_zma_2.htm

[CrazyK]

And what is? You saying that it has a greater impact on increase in testosterone. It is not even close to on par with prohormones.
No sh-t

[Shao-LiN]

No sh-t

Well I'm glad you know the difference...maybe you can explain the "not nessacarily true" now.

[CrazyK]

Well I'm glad you know the difference...maybe you can explain the "not nessacarily true" now.
Maybe you want to read the whole thread, look at both my replies Mr. Einstien.

[Vido]

Maybe you want to read the whole thread, look at both my replies Mr. Einstien.

You claimed it's a "great test booster" and then disagreed with Shao-Lin when he said it might increase test levels to a minor degree. I said nothing improves test levels considerably, except gear...Shao-Lin added prohormones to the list. If you said anything else, I think everyone is missing it.

[lilmase1153]

You claimed it's a "great test booster" and then disagreed with Shao-Lin when he said it might increase test levels to a minor degree. I said nothing improves test levels considerably, except gear...Shao-Lin added prohormones to the list. If you said anything else, I think everyone is missing it.
i sure am missing his point..

but i do know it helped my sleep when i was taking it..

[Franco]

Yes, probably due to the fact that you were deficient.

[Holto]

I've seen quite a few studies

can you post even one study that was published ????

the study you posted does not count as BALCO is well know for their multi-faceted corruption

but since you have seen "quite a few" I'm sure you won't mind enlightening us

[CrazyK]

Are you guys fu-king blind?!?!? I posted a study in this thread, it was one of my replies. Jesus Christ.

[CrazyK]

can you post even one study that was published ????

the study you posted does not count as BALCO is well know for their multi-faceted corruption

but since you have seen "quite a few" I'm sure you won't mind enlightening us
See this is what happens, you can't post sh-t on this forum, because if it goes against what someone thinks(As EVERYONE on here is a guru on EVERY subject) it means it's bull sh-t.

http://www.nutriline.org/zma.htm NOW, look at the cited sources near the bottom, there's a lot more there than just fu-king Balco.

[Holto]

crazyK

have you read any of those studies ?

can you post a study that was published ?

I'm not going to waste my time looking for a study that likely was never even published

I know ZMA does nothing...(mostly because bb's dont use it)

think about it...if there was a natural way to increase test we would ALL BE DOING IT

manipulating the HTPA to create significant results is impossible

and if you can't drop the profanity and name calling you will eventually be banned

I certainly will start reporting your posts

[Vido]

I know ZMA does nothing...(mostly because bb's dont use it)

think about it...if there was a natural way to increase test we would ALL BE DOING IT

Exactly what I said above. You need to look no further than this. It's not like ZMA is some brand new product that just hasn't penetrated the market as of yet; it's been around for a few years now.

Is it cost holding people back? Well, for what it does do (ie. nothing) it's terribly overpriced. However, if it WERE to actually increase test to any discernable degree, everyone would be using it because it's not expensive at all.

You can find a study supporting just about anything on the net. If it wasn't published, that tells you something. "I" could run a study out of my basement and it would be as credible as the ones above.

[_8_Ball]

I tried it for about 2.5-3 weeks, the only thing that I seem to have experience were some majorly ****ed up dreams... really out there weird *****....

I'm going to give it another try with an extra bottle I have left in about 2 weeks... should be interesting... :-)

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[ryuage]

See this is what happens, you can't post sh-t on this forum, because if it goes against what someone thinks(As EVERYONE on here is a guru on EVERY subject) it means it's bull sh-t.

http://www.nutriline.org/zma.htm NOW, look at the cited sources near the bottom, there's a lot more there than just fu-king Balco.

go get your test levels checked, take zma a few weeks then get it checked again.... then tell us :)

[CrazyK]

Exactly what I said above. You need to look no further than this. It's not like ZMA is some brand new product that just hasn't penetrated the market as of yet; it's been around for a few years now.

Is it cost holding people back? Well, for what it does do (ie. nothing) it's terribly overpriced. However, if it WERE to actually increase test to any discernable degree, everyone would be using it because it's not expensive at all.

You can find a study supporting just about anything on the net. If it wasn't published, that tells you something. "I" could run a study out of my basement and it would be as credible as the ones above.That's not true. Quit acting like you are some sort of God around here. Everything you know about nutrition is what you've read off google. lol@studies not being credible, just like I said, everyone here is a Guru, and if it goes against what they previously said, that it's "not credible".

[CrazyK]

crazyK

have you read any of those studies ?

can you post a study that was published ?

I'm not going to waste my time looking for a study that likely was never even published

I know ZMA does nothing...(mostly because bb's dont use it)

think about it...if there was a natural way to increase test we would ALL BE DOING IT

manipulating the HTPA to create significant results is impossible

and if you can't drop the profanity and name calling you will eventually be banned

I certainly will start reporting your postsBy far and away the stupidest thing I've ever heard. This is like talking to a 4 year old, "If you keep saying bad words, I'm going to TELL ON YOU!", lol, grow up kid. The reason why bodybuilders don't use this supplement is that they use AAS year around. Plus it's not like ZMA is going to give you AAS like gains, it's just going to maximize your genetic potential for testosterone production. Which, proven by studies, most people do not maintain.

[Holto]

By far and away the stupidest thing I've ever heard. This is like talking to a 4 year old, "If you keep saying bad words, I'm going to TELL ON YOU!", lol, grow up kid

yeah 4 year old sounds about right

perhaps you truly don't comprehend the fact that you will be banned

I'll assume since you didn't post a published study that you can't find any

[CrazyK]

yeah 4 year old sounds about right

perhaps you truly don't comprehend the fact that you will be banned

I'll assume since you didn't post a published study that you can't find any
Read the cited PUBLISHED STUDIES in the sites I have you. There are over 10.

Pff about getting banned,... wbb isn't my whole life kid.

[Vido]

That's not true. Quit acting like you are some sort of God around here. Everything you know about nutrition is what you've read off google. lol@studies not being credible, just like I said, everyone here is a Guru, and if it goes against what they previously said, that it's "not credible".

You didn't respond to one thing I said. Need I say more?

[CrazyK]

You didn't respond to one thing I said. Need I say more?
Not worth it. I've posted credible studies, published off of many sources(look at the cited sources, there are about 10) that say the stuff works well.

[Vido]

You need to look no further than this. It's not like ZMA is some brand new product that just hasn't penetrated the market as of yet; it's been around for a few years now.

Is it cost holding people back? Well, for what it does do (ie. nothing) it's terribly overpriced. However, if it WERE to actually increase test to any discernable degree, everyone would be using it because it's not expensive at all.

I'd really love for you to respond to this, CrazyK.

And I think it is "worth it" because right now you look like a fool.

[CrazyK]

I'd really love for you to respond to this, CrazyK.

And I think it is "worth it" because right now you look like a fool.
lol, I'm not the one spewing information with absolutely NOTHING to back you up.

[Manveet]

go get your test levels checked, take zma a few weeks then get it checked again.... then tell us :)


:withstupi

You would be a complete fool if you believed ZMA would give you noticeable results.

[MM]

I used ZMA for a while. Noticed nothing, didn't sleep better, stopped using it. If you want to sleep better, get addicted to tylenol PM.

Worked wonders for me.

[_8_Ball]

There are studies that will agree with something and then there are studies that will deny the same exact thing...

If it worked for CrazyK then let HIM use it, if it din't work for YOU then let HIM spend his money on it...

I tried it, I din't notice crap, is that to say it absolutly doesn't work... no... it just means I don't respond to it... (perhaps no one does...)

I agree with some of you, CrazyK should of replied to the question by posting links to studies that provide evidence that ZMA does work rather then calling everyone "kid".

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[Vido]

If the supplement works for him it's not because he's a "responder"; it's because he's lacking vitamins and minerals in his diet (as I said in my very initial post).

Honestly, it's only logical to think of what I said in my most recent posts. If something is fairly cheap, has been around for a while AND is effective, everyone will be using it. It's not like CrazyK discovered the 10th Wonder of the World and no one else has caught on yet.

The only thing I agree with him saying is that professional bodybuilders wouldn't be interested in such a supplement because they are already "supplementing" with the real stuff. For anyone else though, my aforementioned statement applies.