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BigE
03-05-2005, 04:42 AM
If I have a caloric deficiet of close to 4000 cals a day and I'm not losing about a pound a day does that mean that I'm replacing some of the fat loss with muscle?

Holto
03-05-2005, 08:24 AM
i'd say it means you're not really in as deep a deficit as you think

body
03-05-2005, 08:39 AM
as holto say. your eating more than you think you are/ your kcal expenditure is not as great as you think it is.

Geeper
03-05-2005, 10:50 AM
Try tracking EVERYTHING you put in your mouth (food, drinks ect) with a free online food tracker like fitday.com .

I'd guess you are either not counting everything or your body has gone into starvation mode and is storing every last calories it can get.

BigE
03-05-2005, 01:21 PM
...your body has gone into starvation mode and is storing every last calories it can get.

That brings up an interesting question....it was only 2 weeks ago I started working out and eating right...before that I usually just ate one big meal a day and snacked on junk food.

How long does it take for you to bring the body out of starvation mode?

JSully
03-05-2005, 01:32 PM
Studies have shown that "starvation mode" is just a lowering of the metabolism. And that the metabolism will only drop by about 30%. My point: the body won't store every last calorie it can get. "Starvation mode" is a series of "events" that changes what your body uses for energy. IE: protein. When you go into starvation, protein breakdown is accelerate... aka muscle catabolism. Instead of using the calories you're eating it uses the calories from breaking down muscle.

Just make sure you're eating between 1.25 and 2g/lb LBM of protein and 6 fish oil pills and you'll be OK. Then add more carbs/fat as you see fit. This is the minimum you should intake though, 1.25-2g/lb LBM protein and 6 fish oil caps.

Cynical_Simian
03-05-2005, 01:33 PM
Your assertion of a 4000 calorie deficit is really dubious. Post some info about what you're eating/doing so we can figure out what's what your caloric intake/expenditure actually is.

Vido
03-05-2005, 03:37 PM
i'd say it means you're not really in as deep a deficit as you think

:withstupi Although it certainly IS possible to be in a deficit of that magnitude.

Built
03-05-2005, 03:48 PM
...if you're a bicycle courier. ;)

Vido
03-05-2005, 04:02 PM
...if you're a bicycle courier. ;)

some of us weigh more than 143 lbs ;)

Seriously though, take someone with a maintenance caloric requirement of 4000 calories. It wouldn't be hard for him to eat 1000-2000 calories and then burn an equivalent amount through cardio/lifting.

Holto
03-05-2005, 04:09 PM
:withstupi Although it certainly IS possible to be in a deficit of that magnitude.

not without concurrent weight loss...

Vido
03-05-2005, 04:28 PM
not without concurrent weight loss...

Oh yeah, for sure. That part of the post wasn't really directed at you. A few people in this thread seem skeptical that a deficit of that size could even be attained.

BigE
03-05-2005, 04:36 PM
Here's my pertinent info...

My Journal (http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=60952)

BigE
03-05-2005, 04:49 PM
I just checked in the reports of fitday and it has me at like 5000 cals for basal and lifestyle. Subtract my cal intake which is about 2000 and I have a deficet of 3000 cals plus what my workouts are. I would think that my cardio is about 300 - 400 and I haven't got a clue what the weight lifting is but that puts me somewhere in the deficet range of 3000 to 4000 cals a day. 3500 cals is a pound correct?

So should I be dropping weight off pretty quickly or is there something else involved?

Boo5000
03-05-2005, 04:54 PM
I just checked in the reports of fitday and it has me at like 5000 cals for basal and lifestyle. Subtract my cal intake which is about 2000 and I have a deficet of 3000 cals plus what my workouts are. I would think that my cardio is about 300 - 400 and I haven't got a clue what the weight lifting is but that puts me somewhere in the deficet range of 3000 to 4000 cals a day. 3500 cals is a pound correct?

So should I be dropping weight off pretty quickly or is there something else involved?

Fitday is notorious for overestimating basal calories. First of all, it assumes way too much activity for lifestyle. Also, most people don't input sleep, which is necessary. I, for one, just use sedetary or bed-bound for my activty level. This adds about 15% to my basal. Then I input any physical activity (workouts, running, etc). Works out about right.

Also, huge deficits like that tend to be minimized by the body...the body does a great job of adapting to changes in calories, water intake, etc.

JSully
03-05-2005, 06:22 PM
With only 2000 cals, it depends quite a bit on how you set your macro-nutrients.

Built
03-05-2005, 11:58 PM
some of us weigh more than 143 lbs ;)


True enough.

LOL!