deca and sust

[BuddyHolly]

wanna start my first cycle. any suggestions for deca and sust. i'm relatively close to mexico but would like to avoid mexican gear. i would appreciate suggestions on where to get good quality gear and maybe help with a beggining cycle, i'm 5'11 160. thanks

[Paul Stagg]

5'11" 160???

Come on. How long have you been training?

[BuddyHolly]

bout 1 year. was about 135 at the beggining, now hitting a plateau.

[The_Chicken_Daddy]

you're turning to gear as soon as you hit a plateau?!


25lbs in 1 year is good - what's your bodyfat at right now? and how much has it changed since you started lifting?

[Paul Stagg]

Great progress.

Stay away from gear for now, and work on your training and diet.

Let's get you another 40 pounds of muscle, THEN you can start thinking about gear.

[BuddyHolly]

body fat is relatively low been the same weight for about 3 months though with a high cal diet and still no solid gains.

[Paul Stagg]

Go to the training forum and post your routine.

We'll address that first, then work on diet.

[heathj]

Why should it matter how much he weighs in the first place though? Tadger is around there isn't he..? Just saying..weight has nothing to do with it.

[Tryska]

right heath..but if he's only been training for a year, and he's gained naturally and has hit a plateau, that has more to do with it, then anything.

you know the drill, man..why are you even questioning?

[BuddyHolly]

well then what do you guys suggest?

[Tryska]

well as paul suggested...you might want to throw your routine up in the training forum, and also your current diet in the nutrtion forum...from there we can troubleshoot.

really with gear, you gotta have diet and training donw to a T, so that you can make the most of your cycles. after only a year at this, i think most would agree, it's a bit to early yet to be going that route.

[the doc]

i would like to add that it took me at least a year to get form down on heavy lifts and be able to stabilize heavy weight. wait some more time...

[Gyno Rhino]

I've gone from 150 or so to 230 at 5'10" in a tad over two years. I ain't touched gear yet. You don't need gear yet, Holly.

[heathj]

BUT I am just saying...weight has nothing to do with it :D

[Severed Ties]

with only 1 year of training you will run into 2 problems.

1- tendon ruptures: tendons grow slower than muscle tissue, you may be at a training plateau simply cause your tendons are not yet able to support heavier weights. Anabolics will give you a dramatic increase in muscle strength without the tendons ability to stabilize or possibly even handle the weight you are using, thus leading to a rupture. By time you get back into the gym you will have lost everything that you've achieved up till this point, forget about any cycle gains...you'll take 2 steps forward to go back to square one.

2- rotator cuff injury: this is basically along the same aspect as above but the since the shoulders are involved in some way in every upperbody workout their is a strong chance that the rotator cuff won't be able to support the increased volume and intensity of your workouts cause it strengthens at a much slower rate than anabolics can increase muscle. In which case you will run into one of two situations.

a) you keep taking time off from the gym to let you cuffs heal, in which case your cycle will be worthless since you could have made the same gains by staying off anabolics and being able to train week in and week out.

b) you suck it up and deal with the pain, learn what movements agrivate your rotator cuff and simply avoid them....it starts as military presses...then it goes into incline bench...then into dips...then close grip benching...then bicep curling...until you lose mobility of the joint and have surgery to repair it. In which case you must take an extended layoff and this time around you've taken 4 steps forward only to end up back at square one, and what do you have to show....perhaps a rebuilt shoulder or atleast a kickass scar.

I suggest you wait till you have 3 or more years under your belt, but hey chicks dig scars right????

ST

[Twiztid]

ST,

I LOVE that avatar under your nick!

lol..

Sorry, off topic.. but hey.. you gotta give props where props are due!

[Paul Stagg]

If Tager had asked me, I would have told him not to bother with gear yet.

He didn't.

How much you weight is an indicatior, to a certain point, of the effectiveness of your training.

It is my humble opinion that someone 5'11" tall should be able to get above 200 pounds at a reasonable level of bodyfat IF they get their diet and training straight. Having your diet and training straight not only gets you good gains without gear, but when you DO get to the point where gear is introduced, it works all that much better, and allows for more reasonable dosages and less risk.

There are way too many 165 pound dudes gaining and losing the same 10 pounds on each cycle of gear they do, because they never built the base of knowledge on how to build muscle in the first place.

[BuddyHolly]

5'11 and 200 would be nice my ideal weight is 185. to keep it short my diet has been approximately 3500 calories a day and my work out routine is

1. 4 chest exercises (bout 6-9 reps pyramiding weight)

2. bi's and Tri's, 3 excercises each(6-9 reps)

3. back, 4 excercises (6-9 reps)

4. shoulders and legs, 4 excercises for shoulders (6-9 reps) legs 4 excercises (6-9 reps)


then i'd take a day off after every third day of working out to rest. please help with routine if anyone sees errors.

[BuddyHolly]

i'd usually do 3 sets per excersize and i'd start with bout 8-9 reps, and on the last set i'd work my way down to 5-6 reps.

[Tadger]

Originally posted by heathj
Why should it matter how much he weighs in the first place though? Tadger is around there isn't he..? Just saying..weight has nothing to do with it.

Careful now...

Paul is right... and I do admit that I should have waited a bit longer. My first cycle was a good learning experience but I really didn't gain as much off it as I should have. I pretty much lost all the weight I put on with the gear this summer and have been workin on getting that back these last few months. Not doin too bad (had a few recent setback cuz of hockey and getting sick/injured and all... but whatever). When I started, I had a good training background... training for much longer than BH. That's not to mention the fact that I threw around pretty decent weight for my size. I had the diet down (basically) and had a good working knowledge of AAS. All that aside... still should have waited.

[heathj]

But are you going to give the same advice to someone who weighs 145 lbs. and benches 290? No...obviously he has built a solid base...Depends on your goals...I was just stating one certain point about weight, not trying to bring in a huge debate about when you should/should not start gear.

[Severed Ties]

Hey Twizted thanks for the props, I actually had no intention of keeping that avatar. When I joined the board I just planned on using it till I found one that pertained to bodybuilding. But since everyone seemed to enjoy it, F*uck it...he stays

Besides I gotta admit...that dam dog's got stamina.

ST

[BuddyHolly]

right now my max on bench is about 225, loaded on creatine for a while also. gained about 5 libs but went away. probably just water retention.

[the doc]

Originally posted by BuddyHolly
probably just water retention.

:nod:

[heathj]

ST, that avatar sucks :p

BH, yeah, I'd wait a lot longer to do gear. I do a bench of about 240 max and I'm not even close to being ready for roids yet.

[SweatHawg]

My best was 285 on bench for 4 reps and that was just with hella protein,low carbs & clen about 4 tabs per day--no juice.......the clen was for my uhh, respiratory problems-yeah..thats it.:D