hGH - fact of fiction?

[Super_Ted]

Hi All,

I'm ready to start a cycle of hGH, and it will be my first. I've heard that it must be refrigerated. Some say refrigerated only after it is mixed, others say always refrigerated. Which one is it? - and is there a way to tell if it has been? I don't want to inject dud cells...

Also, some people say you need supplement insulin at the same time. True?

thanks!

[Severed Ties]

always refrigerate and no need for insulin.

ST

[shansen008]

Actually it depends. The only brand i've used (Saizen) says that once reconstituted it needs to be refrigerated but will still expire. Before reconstitution though it is actually recommended not to refrigerate. My guess though is that this is only the case so that it reconstitutes better once you add the bacteriostatic water. In any case just to be safe, reconstitute it at room temperature, then refrigerate.

How long you gonna be using it and what dosage?

[Super_Ted]

Looking to go for about 8-10 weeks. Not sure of the dosage yet... I've done more research and it's seems to be that some brands require refrigeration before reconstitution and others don't.

Been advised not to take it at night (interferes with normal GH production) sounds logical, is it true? Also been told to eat **** loads approx 5000cal per day.

Thanks for the advice... :)

[ectx]

The protein (it's not cells) usually comes lyophilized. That means it's freeze dried. From personal experience, I usually am very careful with any protein. While theoretically it should be okay to have at room temperature, I wouldn't risk it regardless. Proteins are very sensitive to degradation, etc. The higher the temperature, the higher the protease activity. At the same time you don't want to freeze it because it may affect the protein's structure.

[Wikked1]

I know I am getting into this thread a bit late and maybe it's just my misconception BUT isn't 8-10 weeks WAY TOO short? From what I have heard I hear a minimum time investment for this stuff is 6 months. (which is one reason I haven't considered it) the other is bang for the buck,can someone shed some light?

[Hatred]

You are right. 8-10 weeks will yield dick. 4 months is the minimum.

[Severed Ties]

You are right. 8-10 weeks will yield dick.

Dammit n00b HGH will not increase the size of you junk!

ST

[smalls]

LOFL@ST.

I could do all the juice in the world for the next year straight for the cost of 10 weeks of growth, I couldnt imagaine the gains ever being worth it. Not for a long long time anyway.

[Hatred]

:eek:

[Flexx]

be careful with GH and slin it can cause all kinds of permanent side effects...one of them being death. run a 12week cycle,and run the slin for 4 weeks at 10iu in the morning and 10iu right after every workout, then 4 weeks off ...so over a 12 week cycle you'll run a total of 8 weeks of slin. Also run 4-6 iu of GH everyday.This stuff works amazing but can kill you if you don't know what your doing...

[rookiebldr]

A bit off topic, but seeing as you don't post much lately, flexx, how'd the diet go and did you do your show yet?

[shansen008]

be careful with GH and slin it can cause all kinds of permanent side effects...one of them being death. run a 12week cycle,and run the slin for 4 weeks at 10iu in the morning and 10iu right after every workout, then 4 weeks off ...so over a 12 week cycle you'll run a total of 8 weeks of slin. Also run 4-6 iu of GH everyday.This stuff works amazing but can kill you if you don't know what your doing...

As far as dying goes....the slin is the dangerous part. The GH yields sides, some that may be permanent....but death? Maybe if you drown in it? ;)

Ive taken up to 6iu/day, ive heard of ppl doing almost 3 times that...they are all still alive.

edit: just for clarity, i wasnt 100% disagreeing with you really.

But i look at it like this......

slin = dangerous
slin+gh = dangerous
gh = pfft

[Flexx]

did I say doing GH by itself could kill you??? Read the post bro, I said GH AND SLIN.

[Flexx]

A bit off topic, but seeing as you don't post much lately, flexx, how'd the diet go and did you do your show yet?
Hey rook,your right I haven't posted alot lately...just really busy with my little guy and work I guess, AS far as the show goes I'll be doing it in October 29,in T.O. Its the Canadian Classic.The diet is going well, I'm down to 250lbs at about 8%.So I should be comming in at around 230lbs for the show. Thanx for the question tho rook...I know I've said this many times before ,I'll try and post some pics for ya bro.

[shansen008]

did I say doing GH by itself could kill you??? Read the post bro, I said GH AND SLIN.

Aww i knew that post would be confusing, i knew what you meant...but the way you worded it, someone less informed could be led to believe that GH was dangerous.

ie: "The stuff works amazing but could kill you....."

Lots of noobs running around in this forum you know?

[Super_Ted]

Dammit n00b HGH will not increase the size of you junk!

ST

Sorry to say this, but, every time someone mentions a small cycle most of you guys say "it's pitiful - don't bother". You may not be noobs re: the gear, but you must be noobs at training.... you can put on 8-10kg from what you guys label lame. Maybe cut the gear down and start training properly...

[smalls]

LOL, that quote was one of the funniest things every posted on this forum and you completely missed the entire joke.

And I find it insane that you believe you can put on 10kg's from one small cycle when it would seem that's as much as you have put on in your entire training career, judging from your avatar. (also in case you also missed this point, this thread is about HGH, not gear. read more, blab less)

BTW, ST hasnt been on in a very long time and still makes better progress than most. So your preaching to the wrong person bro.

[Shark]

Sorry to say this, but, every time someone mentions a small cycle most of you guys say "it's pitiful - don't bother". You may not be noobs re: the gear, but you must be noobs at training.... you can put on 8-10kg from what you guys label lame. Maybe cut the gear down and start training properly...

This is really not a good way to introduce yourself to the forums. Keep it up and I predict a ban in your future.

[Brawl]

ST is a man of few words so when he posted that I laughed until I cried .

Listen up bro . Do your HGH with gear , run it minimum of 4 to 6 months , prefereably longer .

[Severed Ties]

Sorry to say this, but, every time someone mentions a small cycle most of you guys say "it's pitiful - don't bother". You may not be noobs re: the gear, but you must be noobs at training.... you can put on 8-10kg from what you guys label lame. Maybe cut the gear down and start training properly...

If your going to post here I suggest looking up the meaning of sarcasm...it can usually be found when Mods are flaming each other. If you checked out this site at all you will probably notice we don't have noobs on the mod team. Secondly "junk" is a euphamism for the male reproductive organ not someones physique.

So perhaps a bit more care or attention is need before posting.

Got it noob :rolleyes:

ST

[bill]

Lol

[Belial]

I do want to add that I disagree with the idea that short cycles of HGH ar useless... the gains do come very slowly, and almost imperceptibly at first, but there's no latency period before the compound begins to have an impact on the body.. in other words, it's doing the same thing on day 2 as it is on day 180, you just won't notice much.

So go ahead and do an 8-10 weeker.. you'll be underwhelmed, but it will certainly do SOMETHING.

[bill]

Why not do regular cycles, test, deca and such, unless your gains are well beyond that

[Belial]

Well... if you're an athlete who's regularly tested for steroid usage, if you're already maxing out your stack and you still want more, if you want the beneficial effects GH can have on connective tissue besides muscle, or if you're overly concerned about your natural test levels and don't want to mess with them, you can do a short cycle of GH and get something from it for minimal risk.

Note I never said it wasn't a poor use of money.

[Super_Ted]

Smalls, I started this thread so re your comment "read more, blab less" i think you need more practice than i do.

My avatar photo was taken well before i started any gear. So 10kg's is a compliment - thank you.

Cris Russow – settle down… forums are about expressing your opinion. That’s all I’m doing.

ST – your initial statement with the “euphemism” would have worked well if perhaps you typed it correctly – there’s a big difference between “you” and “your”. What were you saying about a bit more attention is needed before posting?

Belial – your advice is spot on re hGH. Thank you.

I don’t mean to upset anyone. I just can’t stand it when someone new to using any form of steroids requests some advice on their first cycle, and some of you muppets write them off… that’s not good advice. It’s not about how much gear you can jab in your arse, it’s about the right amount at the right time.

[BCC]

Ted, I think you need to lay off the gear. Rager.

[MM]

I don’t mean to upset anyone.


You may not be noobs re: the gear, but you must be noobs at training....

Pretty good way to offend just about anyone, especially those on the mod team who know an assload about training.

[MM]

Judging from Flexx's post, I have a question. Would you guys say that HGH (the GH+Slin) is more dangerous than conventional forms of AAS (i.e. like tren, test-e, whatever)? Is it more difficult to store, use correctly, and administer?

[PowerManDL]

If you mis-dose AAS, in general you don't have anything to worry about.

If you mis-dose insulin, you can die. Acidosis isn't friendly.

GH in itself isn't acutely dangerous. It does have to be refrigerated, though.

[MM]

But generally, you would not run GH with insulin?

[BCC]

Generally you would if you really want to do things right.

[MM]

Obviously, there are different kinds of insulin; my younger brother is diabetic, and he's had numerous kinds of insulin throughout his life. Is there a specific kind you would run on HGH?

Quick note: if some jackass asks me for my brother's slin I'll screenshot it and send it to the mods.

[BCC]

Insulin is insulin, just different acting versions of it. Short, long, and very short I beleive. Humalog and Humilin-R being the most popular. Humilin-R is the most reasonable choice, it doesn't peak too fast leaving you plenty of opportunity to consume carbs.

Don't worry about someone asking for your brothers slin, I can go to any pharmacy and buy it by myself, anyone can as it must be readily available.

[Severed Ties]

ST – your initial statement with the “euphemism” would have worked well if perhaps you typed it correctly – there’s a big difference between “you” and “your”. What were you saying about a bit more attention is needed before posting?

I am the most bestdest speller in teh were-ld,lol....

ST

[MM]

Thanks for the info.

[Super_Ted]

As far as all my research has revealed. hGH works ok on it's own, you have to eat every 3 hours to increase your natural insulin levels. hGH has a greater effect if you supplement your insulin levels - only problem is if you OD you get fat (unlikely you die). I am on my 5th week and have increased my weight by 3kg and decreased BF by 2%. I know, not a huge difference but i'm doing hGH on it's own as a test. Then i'll do growth with deca next cycle.

Read this...

When using STH (somatotropic hormone- which is what the liver produces after injecting hHG) the body also needs more thyroid hormones,insulin, corticosteroids, gonadotropins, estrogens and what a surprise androgens and anabolics. This is also the reason why STH, when taken alone, is considerably less effective and can only reach its optimum effect by the additive intake of steroids, thyorid hormones, and insulin, in particular. But we must point out in this case that STH has a predominantly anabolic effect. There are three hormones which are needed at the same time in order to allow for maximum anabolic effect. These are STH, insulin, and an LT-3 thyroid hormone, such as, for example, Cytomel. Only then can the liver produce and release an optimal amount of somatomedin and insulin-like growth factors. This anabolic effect can be further enhanced by taking a substance with an anticatabolic effect. These substances are-everybody should probably know by now-anabolic/androgenic steroids or Clenbuterol. Then a synergetic effect takes place.

As far as i'm concerned growth is the **** - it's just expensive and takes time to get it right...