Gyno without steroids?

[IGF-1]

well i was at the gym today, talking with a personal trainer there, and he was checking my bf composition and noted that i my nipples reminded him of gyno and i explained i had never used any form of steroid and was entirely natural, he wasn't sure if i was telling the truth.

Can gyno occur without the use of steroids?

[heathj]

Yes.

[OverDose]

isnt gyno from a high level of estrogen?

[YatesNightBlade]

It won't be Gyno. Don't worry about it. How old are you ? Bet your young right !!! You have glands behind your nipples that tend to puff up when your young. Don't worry about it.

[Reinier]

yates is right

<------- big ass titties

[Tadger]

As Yate's said, they tend to puff up, but it's due to higher estrogen levels from aromatization. For some it's not a problem and it goes away... but you can get gyno while you're young. It's fairly common. I had a problem with it when I was a teenager. I didn't know what the hell it was but I was getting ready to go see the doc about it. My nips were sore as hell... shirt touchin em even bothered me.

Test levels get pretty high in your mid to late teens and if you're sensitive to estrogen, there may be enough aromatization to trigger breast development.

Personally, I never had a problem for more than a few days at a time, but it was enough so that I can actually feel a bir of fibrous tissue development behind and surrounding the nipple. At the time I had a hard mass behind each nipple. My bodyfat was low enough that it wasn't noticeable. The mass softened up and has gone down in size. Even now it's not enough to notice while just looking at me, but I know it's there and it bugs the hell out of me. Had I known any better at the time, I'd have gone to the doc immediately and picked up some arimidex or nolva.

Oh yeah... and if it were gyno... you'd know about it. It's generally not something that takes place so slowly you won't catch it. It is like... wake up one morning and be like, WTF?!? Why do I hurt?

[Daniel Clough]

also what was your bf?

Its a good chance that it might just be cause of your bf..

[Severed Ties]

Yes you can get gyno without using AS but it is quite different in extent. AS can give full C cups in a short period of time. Most males experience some during adolecents which goes away in most cases once you reach 20. Natural gyno is harder to tell, but in high bodyfat individuals the fat around the gyno actually look like breasts by causeing the nipples to stick out and take a cup like shape, Diet alone can severly reduce its noticability. When you have lower BF gyno looks like a soft droopy nipples while the rest of the chest can be hard and defined. Most people can feel a spongey mass under their nipple if it is true gyno and not just genetic fat stores which can look like gyno.

To develop gyno without AS generally estrogen would have to be high enough to send a growth signal to the tissue under your nipples. Also if you T to E ratio or DHT level is very low can trigger gyno.

heavy pot smokering can trigger gyno as well as prolonged heavy drinking.

finasteride (propeci/proscar) can also cause gyno.

oh and androstenedione is excellent for inducing gyno

If you want to see what a minor case of gyno looks like check out WWF wrestler Test.

ST

[johny walker]

I have had a mild case f natural occuring gyno before I even juiced. Natural occuring gyno can happen to people who are born with high estrogen levels or high testosterone levels. The reason I think I have had natural occuring gyno is because I was born with higher that normal ammounts of test in my system and my 2 brothers have a mild case of gyno as well. If it's mild I don't think it requires surgery. When I strted doing mild cycles of winny and equipoise my gyno has gotten smaller and now it's almost entirelly gone from the new muscle tissue. If you are born with natural gyno you should nevr do more than 600 mg's of test per week because your body is very succesible to gyno. Even if you take nolvadex it won't help as much if your body is prone to gyno.

[Reinier]

im not sore, and my nips used to be bigger.
i actually went to the doc about it and he told i could expect for it to go away in a year or two. its been a year or two.

[johny walker]

the doc told me that it will go away as well, but it it only improved and it's not as it was before, but I don't think it will ever go away completelly, but yiur nips will get tigher to some extent. I found that taking winni with yohimburn helped me to reduce my gyno big time

[Tadger]

There seems to be a little confusion here. Gynecomastia is development of breast tissue... not just fat sittin there. There is actual development of mammary glands. Depending on your estrogen/test levels, your body will store fat in different places... that's why guys get a gut when they drink alot or have a crappy diet, but a woman will get a thicker ass and hips. That's nothing to worry about. Tissue development is what you're looking to avoid.

[kAto]

Originally posted by Tadger
As Yate's said, they tend to puff up, but it's due to higher estrogen levels from aromatization. For some it's not a problem and it goes away... but you can get gyno while you're young. It's fairly common. I had a problem with it when I was a teenager. I didn't know what the hell it was but I was getting ready to go see the doc about it. My nips were sore as hell... shirt touchin em even bothered me.

Test levels get pretty high in your mid to late teens and if you're sensitive to estrogen, there may be enough aromatization to trigger breast development.

Personally, I never had a problem for more than a few days at a time, but it was enough so that I can actually feel a bir of fibrous tissue development behind and surrounding the nipple. At the time I had a hard mass behind each nipple. My bodyfat was low enough that it wasn't noticeable. The mass softened up and has gone down in size. Even now it's not enough to notice while just looking at me, but I know it's there and it bugs the hell out of me. Had I known any better at the time, I'd have gone to the doc immediately and picked up some arimidex or nolva.

Oh yeah... and if it were gyno... you'd know about it. It's generally not something that takes place so slowly you won't catch it. It is like... wake up one morning and be like, WTF?!? Why do I hurt?



hey tadger, i got a suggestion for ya....

get yourself some yohimburn, youve prolly heard all about it at anabolicfitness. rub some of that on you nips everynight before sleep time, and surely it will shrink away to nuthing. if i recall correctly there is a high percentage of A2 recepters there, which is optimal for fat burn using yohimburn, and best of all you dont even need to diet.


why not, trial size is less than $40.00
some thing to think about.

[IGF-1]

im 19, my bf is currently 12-15% given error

[Marcel]

Severed Ties or Tadger - would it be safe for a teenager(18) to take armidex? I mean it suppresses estrogen levels which is great no?

[Severed Ties]

Arimidex would be safe for a teenager to use provided it was prescribed and monitered by a Doctor. Lowering estrogen out of a high-normal range is fine and in many cases by keeping estrogen in a low-normal range exsisting gyno may subside in teenagers. However you must be consistantly monitered by a doctor to make sure the arimidex is not being too effective (driveing estrogen to low) which can cause other problems.

ST

[YatesNightBlade]

Stay away from Soy too.

[macro]

you can get gyno without AS

Gyno can be caused by several factors either alone or in conjunction

Estrogen or estrogenic chemical
progestins (progesterone itself does not cause gyno)
prolactin
Igf-1 and other growth factors-- they increase the growth of the fibrous tissue
liver abnormalities (though this often is really just is what is causing havoc with the above four)

yohimburn will help with fatty deposits and may in the long run, though sometimes the short run, lead to a decrease in hard tissue by decreasing local aromatase production (which is produced heavily in estrogenic A2 rich fats)

:p

[the_hall]

Getting big ol' titties isnt always a bad thing, you can always slap them and time how long it takes for them bad boyz to stop jumping...lol...j/k.

I am 17, and have noticed that since I have been bulking, and my bf has went up, that my nips are a bit puffier than I would like. Not always, but sometimes. They arent sore at all, just a bit on the puffy side. This sounds wierd, but if I rub them for a while, or it is cold out, they harden right up.

[bignate73]

had some lumps when i was 15 or so in my nips. thats gyno i guess or just high levels of test from puberty. ive seen some with higher levels of bodyfat that can be mistaken for gyno but actually just excess bodyfat. dont sweat it if you arent overly sensitive or having a lump in your nips.

[Reinier]

mine got lumps. left some bigger than the right.

i also have like 20% bf, i wonder what ill look like after i cut with them lumps

[chris mason]

The "natural" form of gyno you all are referring to is called transient gynocomastia . A fairly high percentage of male teens get it (I can't remember the exact percentage, 30% +). It is characterized by a sore lump located beneath the nipple(s). The word transient is the important thing to note, it goes away with time.

[Matx]

just a note they never PROVED Pot has anything to do with gyno....... If it causes any estrogen increase at all its a minor insignificant one.