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12-13-2001, 01:06 PM
Is there much different between almonds and all-natural PB when looking at the types of fats each contain?

Which one is a better source while cutting, or they both just about equal?

Tryska
12-13-2001, 01:07 PM
i prefer almond to peanut butter, mainly because peanuts are a legume and contain certain plant lectins which almonds and other seeds don't.

millertime
12-13-2001, 01:08 PM
almonds are better, but both are good. You can eat either one you want when cutting.

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12-13-2001, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Tryska
i prefer almond to peanut butter, mainly because peanuts are a legume and contain certain plant lectins which almonds and other seeds don't.

trysk what are plant lectins and how are they detrimental to the body?

Tryska
12-13-2001, 01:19 PM
Everything you ever wanted to know about Plant Lectins but were afraid to ask (http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/lectins/lectins.html)



cornell says it better then i ever could.....
:D

ElPietro
12-13-2001, 01:29 PM
what about chocolate covered almonds? I'd hate to stop supporting the local school children by not buying a few packs from them...

Tryska
12-13-2001, 01:34 PM
sugar and fat together?

tuttut

no wonder your in the fffa.

although chocolate does contain stearic acid which is a good saturated fat. ;)

hemants
12-13-2001, 01:39 PM
100g almond:

Protein : 21.26g
Fat : 50.64g (3.88g saturated fat)
carb : 19.74g

100g peanuts:

Protein : 25.8g
Fat : 49.24 (6.834g saturated fat)
Carb : 16.14g

Pretty close from a macronutrient perspective.

P.S. Tryska, chocolate is also high in palmetic acid unfortunately tuttut

mds_79
12-13-2001, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by hemants
...chocolate is also high in palmetic acid unfortunately tuttut

what is this palmetic acid and why is it bad?

the doc
12-13-2001, 08:23 PM
hmmm both are rather tastey

Peanut butter is a great high cal food thats yummy in my tummy!

Marcel
12-13-2001, 08:56 PM
Almond butter = :drooling: It's my fave food

hemants
12-14-2001, 07:40 AM
Palmetic acid is a type of saturated fat and is a major ingredient in virtually every food with saturated fat that we can think of.

It is the stuff in saturated fat that causes atherosclerosis among other things.

Stearic acid is a type of saturated fat that is not so bad but until someone finds a food that is high in stearic acid and not in palmetic acid, saturated fat remains on the "best avoided" list.

(or best in moderation if you must)

Dave
12-15-2001, 05:38 AM
Not much difference hear.Both are decent sources of good fats if they are the natural version. Niether one contains Omega 3 fatty acids so flaxseed oil would be better or even Walnuts in oil or nut form.

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12-15-2001, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Dave
Not much difference hear.Both are decent sources of good fats if they are the natural version. Niether one contains Omega 3 fatty acids so flaxseed oil would be better or even Walnuts in oil or nut form.

I already get 2 tbsp Udo's Choice Oil / day. I wasn't asking what other types of fats I need. Just whats the major difference between almonds and PB.

Reinier
12-15-2001, 11:30 AM
i just eat peanuts, and i put peanut butter on my lunch sandwiches

Dave
12-15-2001, 11:42 AM
The difference is Almond butter is more of a Omega 9 & P.b is more of a Omega 6.

Reinier
12-15-2001, 11:45 AM
i dont get all this fat talk.
omega this omega that.
all i know is saturated/unsaturated/polyunsaturated.
how important is that omega stuff to adapt your diet to?
what difference do they make?

Wizard
12-15-2001, 02:35 PM
1)Almond butter is better.. Omega 9's are superior to omega 6's.

2)Chocolate (cocoa beans) fat,does not have an effect on increasing cholesterol levels,thus it's not something that has to be avoided.
In addition,cocoa contains many vitamins,minerals and agents that improve your mood and increase your sexual desire.(because they increase seretonin levels and catecholamines.)

The_Chicken_Daddy
12-16-2001, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Wizard
1)Almond butter is better.. Omega 9's are superior to omega 6's.


hey John, can you explain this please?

Omega-6 are essential, omega-9 are not. I'm not sure on your reasoning.

if you said omega-3 are more superior than omega-6 i could see why, with them both competing to make prostaglandins and leukotrienes and with the omega-3 form usually being more effective [not always the case].

Is there some sort of related health benefit from the omega-9's that the omega-6's don't give?

thanks for clarifying.

Wizard
12-16-2001, 03:35 PM
Monounsaturated fats raise the good cholesterol (HDL) and lower the bad cholesterol (LDL).
They also reduce gastric acidity.In addition it's proved that they increase test levels.
I also have two studies in my hands:

Back in 1992, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition released a study comparing long term monounsaturated fatty acid diets with polyunsaturated fatty acid diets on lipoprotein levels of healthy men and women.Researchers concluded that polyunsaturated fats reduced LDL and HDL levels,while monounsaturated fats reduced LDL,and increased HDL levels. This is an important fact to understand.
Another factor called "apolipoprotein A-1", the major constituent of HDL, was shown to be increased by monounsaturated fatty acids.

In 1998, the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition printed another study testing the potential rate of LDL damage by free radicals in patients with impaired glucose tolerance,on either a high monounsaturated fat,or polyunsaturated fat diet.
The results revealed that in subjects with impaired glucose tolerance,a polyunsaturated rich diet with a moderate amount of fat tended to increase the susceptibility of LDL to free radical damage as compared to a high monounsaturated fat diet, which seemed to protect LDL from such a damage.

heathj
12-16-2001, 10:49 PM
BA, how the fook do you know so much about diets at 18 years of age?

Wizard
12-16-2001, 11:47 PM
I started getting involved in the whole dietting thing two years ago and since then,I've been trying to learn as much as I can.. That's it.. :D
Of course it sounds paranormal for a 18y.o guy.. :eek:

The_Chicken_Daddy
12-17-2001, 09:00 AM
John, mono's may be better for increasing HDL's, but mono's aren't essential - poly's are. And from poly's the body can make as much mono's as it needs right?

so surely getting in a good poly source is more important than getting a mono source in?

Wizard
12-17-2001, 09:43 AM
If you're talking about omega 3's,then it's definitaly more important but if you're talking about omega 6's,it's not.

Omega 6's have been shown in several studies to decrease insulin sensitivity.

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12-17-2001, 10:51 AM
lol..
so whats the verdict here. Assuming omega-3 supplementation is up to par, whats better -
Peanuts or Almonds while cutting, or an equal blend of both will suffice?

Reinier
12-17-2001, 11:32 AM
how do you even know what fats are in the stuff you eat?

Avatar
12-17-2001, 11:41 AM
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

IceRgrrl
12-17-2001, 11:44 AM
Split the difference and eat both...variety is the spice of life ;)

Wizard
12-17-2001, 12:30 PM
Although I like Icer's opinion,I mostly recommend almond butter.

The_Chicken_Daddy
12-17-2001, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Wizard
If you're talking about omega 3's,then it's definitaly more important but if you're talking about omega 6's,it's not.

Omega 6's have been shown in several studies to decrease insulin sensitivity.

But they are still essential for life.

Infact, both Omega-6's: Linoleic and Arachidonic are essential whereas as far as omega-3's go, only Linolenic is essential.

so surely it must be important to get both in, especially omega-6, right?

Maki Riddington
12-17-2001, 12:36 PM
Even though they have been shown to decrease insilun sensitivity we have to look at the big picture.

Wizard
12-17-2001, 01:06 PM
The typical Western diet lowers omega 3's and raises omega 6's to give an unhealthy ratio of 12-20 to 1.This causes the body to make larger amounts of the chemical that C_D mentioned before (arachidonic acid) that causes swelling, rapid cell growth and pain.

On the other hand humans require the two essential polyunsaturated fatty acids but the ratios are very important.Vegetable oils,high in omega 6's,are in virtually every packaged food so it's impossible avoid their consumption.

So,your best bet is probably to eat both monounsaturated fats and the polyunsaturated fats which are particularly rich in linolenic acid.

Tryska
12-17-2001, 01:11 PM
blackie hit it on the head.

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12-17-2001, 01:39 PM
whats a good ratio to strive for between omega-3,6,9?

Udo's Choice Oil contains omega 3,6,9 in a ratio of 2:1:1.
Is that the right ratio?

Tryska
12-17-2001, 01:43 PM
udo erasmus put a lotta research into coming up with that ratio so i'll say...aye.

IceRgrrl
12-17-2001, 01:56 PM
Latty...I thought we were pals...that wasn't very nice tuttut

Oh, and that check is in the mail...

Tryska
12-17-2001, 04:45 PM
degeneration.......


tuttut

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12-17-2001, 05:13 PM
yes as trysk says stay focused and on topic people tuttut (as tough as it is to do here)

Chris Rodgers
12-17-2001, 07:57 PM
OK. I feel they are very similar. They are both going to be eaten during my bulk phase. Thank you.

IceRgrrl
12-17-2001, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by LATMAN
OK. I feel they are very similar. They are both going to be eaten during my bulk phase. Thank you.

Well said, Latman. I believe I expressed similar sentiments previously.

ElPietro
12-17-2001, 08:14 PM
Omega blah, poly-blah, mono-blah, saturated-blah, so has anyone argued a way to make chocolate covered almonds ok for me to eat yet? If not please continue this thread...

Wizard
12-17-2001, 11:43 PM
Not

the doc
12-18-2001, 07:02 AM
:swear:

well this one is done; i'm sick of deleting posts

:swear:

Wizard
12-18-2001, 07:48 AM
Me 2.Well done.