Why are so many opposed to DLing and squatting on the same day??

[trich daddy]

The way I figure it, squats indirectly work your erectors (and even traps) to some extent. So why not condense and do them together with deadlifts? Deadlifts make up for the squats' lack of work on the hammies as well.... I figure people are just lazy and can't (or don't want to) handle doing a nearly full body workout with just two lifts.

Maybe do some trap work on back day and then do your legs and erectors on another day.
I see people squatting and then doing SLDL's in the same workout all the time! It's not that huge of a difference....

[Praetorian]

I don't know about you, but when I do squats/DLs I usually go all out. Doing both of them on the same day would kill me.

[Anthony]

Lots of people do both on the same day. I don't see a problem with it.

[Canadian Crippler]

It's not so bad, I'd just make sure to squat first.

[Miker]

I don't know about you, but when I do squats/DLs I usually go all out. Doing both of them on the same day would kill me.

Exactly.. if you put the intensity you should.. into one of those.. then doing the other the same day won't be worthwhile.. you should have blown all you had during the first compound.

[Anthony]

Exactly.. if you put the intensity you should.. into one of those.. then doing the other the same day won't be worthwhile.. you should have blown all you had during the first compound.

So I guess the top powerlifters in the world don't know what they are doing?

[Miker]

So I guess the top powerlifters in the world don't know what they are doing?

notice how I quoted praetorian... not you.

If you blow everything you had doing squats.. how could you possibly have enough energy and strength left in your legs and back to do Deadlifts to your absolute best.

Frankly.. I don't give a flying fadoo what the top powerlifters in the world do.. I also don't do gear.. which limits me ... c'est la vie.

[bigsethmeister]

I do DL and squats on same workout day. Works for me.

:lurk:

[b_sinning]

If I did both on the same day doing them as hard as I usually do I'd be crawling out of the gym.

[drew]

Frankly.. I don't give a flying fadoo what the top powerlifters in the world do.. I also don't do gear.. which limits me ... c'est la vie.
You clearly have no clue.

There's nothing wrong with doing both on the same day as long as you're not maxing out on BOTH in the same day.

[Anthony]

If you blow everything you had doing squats.. how could you possibly have enough energy and strength left in your legs and back to do Deadlifts to your absolute best.

It's impossible to blow everything you have doing squats. Unless of course, you are bringing yourself to the point of passing out and being carried out of the gym on a stretcher, spending a week in the hospital with an IV in your arm, etc, etc.

If you use the argument of being at your absolute best for every exercise, then I guess you can only do one exercise per day?

[dissipate]

i do squats, DL and bench on the same day even, 3x a week. if you get enough rest in between sets, i think the 2nd and 3rd-placed exercises wouldn't suffer that much. DL's 3rd for me and i've been adding weight steadily.

[CiteCollegiale]

IMO if you do close stance squats go ahead and do deadlifts after. If you squat like a powerlifter you're already killing your hamstrings why not do a quad exercise after.

[drew]

If you squat like a powerlifter, chances are, you dl like one too. So DLs are still a hamstring exercise.

[Canadian Crippler]

I think many, many great routines get around not having to squat and DL on the same day. There's really no need to do it, and really no need not to do it.

Question though: Does anyone here squat and DL on the same day outside of a full body routine?

[drew]

Yes.

[Max-Mex]

Interesting. I've been wanting to take another rest day and I've been trying to figure out what to do about it. At first I was going to alternate squats and DL's but if people have had good results doing both on the same day, then maybe it's something I should think about. I maybe go with the alternating route first, but if that doesn't an out, I'll try both of them on the same day.

[drew]

Again, you shouldn't be going for maximal weights on both in the same day.

[Canadian Crippler]

Drew: What's the routine?

[drew]

My routine is Upper/Lower Speed/Max. Mondays I do speed squats and DLs plus 3-5 additional exercises. Thursdays Are Lower Max days which I alternate a number of variations on Squats, GMs and DLs.

[dw06wu]

I do squats and follow them up with SLDLs. I've been getting great gains on the legs lately; going up 5-10lb/week. I also added cardio last week, and I still gained.

[bigpoppapump979]

i did it today..hard on both. i almost puked

[WBBIRL]

I dont do both on the same day for one reason, I would hurt so bad about 5-8 hours afterwards... thats if im working at 80%+ of my 1RM in both lifts. I would have no problem doing both lifts the same day with 50-70% of my 1RM but for lack of good exercises for my legs I dont. The only things I really do for my legs/back are Squats, DL's, Calf raises, Leg extentions, Leg curls and Rackpulls. And I only do legs twice a week on tuesdays and thursdays which makes the deads and squats fit nicely. And Im on a routine that allows me to squat twice in one week and then dead twice in one week... but I think im getting to much rest so something might change soon.

[Canadian Crippler]

If you think you're getting too much rest you are likely getting good rest. If you think you are getting enough rest you are likely not getting enough. Atleast that's how it works for me and essentially everyone I've talked to who train.

[body]

Drew: What's the routine?

i do as well. read my journal if you want my routine.
infact i just got back gym after doing some sqauts and deads. I trianed hard but not to hard. I do this on other days as well. I do enough weight to allow me to progress.

[Wannabelean]

I do squats and SLDL on the same day, but never squats and regular DL. I like to go heavy and it would bring my weights way down and it already takes me forever to do squats and deads alone. My workout would be way too long

[WBBIRL]

So crip you think its okay that I would only squat and deadlift once per week???? That leaves a week inbetween each session.

[GMCtrk]

If you take squatting to the intensity that I do (as do others on this site) then you can barely walk when you're done let alone deadlift ;)

[mpi]

I do deads in the 80-90% range on box squat day (50-60%). On ME squat day I do GMs or other variation afterwords or submaximal (80-90% @10x3) squats followed by ME GM.

The point is, do not max on both movements the same day.

[Canadian Crippler]

So crip you think its okay that I would only squat and deadlift once per week???? That leaves a week inbetween each session.You need to look at the volume over a set amount of time. And if you're gonna squat and DL twice a week, they should be done light and/or for speed for 1 of the sessions.

[shansen008]

I think many, many great routines get around not having to squat and DL on the same day. There's really no need to do it, and really no need not to do it.

Question though: Does anyone here squat and DL on the same day outside of a full body routine?

I do.

I do Squats and SLDL on the same day, the base of my routine is WBB1....with some changes, AND 2 days before that i do regular DL on chest/back day. After doing that, and then SLDL/squats on leg day, im usually just getting over being sore when chest/back day comes back around. ETS has helped greatly though. It was really hard getting motivated at times, when your back is still screaming at you.

[Canadian Crippler]

I was reffering to DL, not SLDL. I do SLDL after squats as well.

[Vapour Trails]

I don't know about you, but when I do squats/DLs I usually go all out. Doing both of them on the same day would kill me.

Same here, 2 heavy movements at one time is too fatiguing. Whichever excercise I did second would surely suffer.

[shansen008]

Noob. :withstupi

:spam:

[bigsethmeister]

Again, you shouldn't be going for maximal weights on both in the same day.

agreed.

[BigCorey75]

i do both on leg days, also my entire leg workout consist of squats and deadlifts and their many variations.

this is what i do during the spring for offseason

ex on monday is my heavy leg day

Good mornings
5x5

squats
10x3

Sumo deadlifts
10x1

Pause squats
6x4

SLDL
3x8

calf raises
6x10

and its been working wonders for my posterior chain development, i squatted 600 pounds this year, with relative ease. Infact i came up so fast the bar bounced on my shoulders and tweaked my back, i prob could have gotten 650 but i decided to just play it safe.


btw im about 260

[TJH]

I do a lot of mountain biking and some runnning as well so I have only one leg day a week but the rest of my body is done twice a week.
My leg routine also revolves around squats and deadlifts. I've found that squats, deadlifts, along with a little calf work is great on the same day. I do switch it up here and there with lunges and SLDL's but mostly I stick to those 2 basic movements. I'm in a slightly different boat then alot of you though because I'm going for strength and endurance more then size.

-Tim

[MarkEmark]

I almost never post here, but thought I'd chime in.

I do power cleans, squats, dead lifts, RDLS and calf raises, in that order, all on the same day. And I go all out on every exercise. I sometimes run/play basketball afterward too...and I'm not *that* dead. The next day my legs kill, but it's nothing debilitating. 2 days after I'm fine.

However, I realize this isn't the best routine, and my lower back knows it too...I'll start separating them.

[completeNewb]

tell me if you guys think this routine sucks terribly;

day 1)
squats: 4-5 sets 5-10 reps
deads: 4-5 sets 5-10 reps
chins: 5 or so sets, however many reps i can get, liek 15 on first set down to like 3 on the last
bbell curls: 2-3 sets

then I rest a couple days
day 2)
bench: 4-5 sets 5-10 reps a set
seated miliitary/shoulder press: ususally 4 sets, same reps
skull crushers: 3-4 sets

then rest a few days and start over... I've been on this for a few months and it's neato, but does it look completely wrong to you guys

[Guido]

Why are so many opposed to DLing and squatting on the same day??Well I, for one, would die.

[drew]

tell me if you guys think this routine sucks terribly;

day 1)
squats: 4-5 sets 5-10 reps
deads: 4-5 sets 5-10 reps
chins: 5 or so sets, however many reps i can get, liek 15 on first set down to like 3 on the last
bbell curls: 2-3 sets

then I rest a couple days
day 2)
bench: 4-5 sets 5-10 reps a set
seated miliitary/shoulder press: ususally 4 sets, same reps
skull crushers: 3-4 sets

then rest a few days and start over... I've been on this for a few months and it's neato, but does it look completely wrong to you guys
Not the worst routine ever. I like the simplicity of it. And if it's working for you, keep with it.

[MixmasterNash]

Not the worst routine ever. I like the simplicity of it. And if it's working for you, keep with it.

Well, it works 80% of a body's muscles on one day, and 20% on another. This isn't necessarily bad, but I would stack those days close together and effectively use the push day for rest.

Otherwise, I would move pullups and curls to the push day to even out the load.

It's really not a bad routine if you can handle the loads.