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YungLifter
07-29-2005, 05:07 PM
Ok im not 100% sure on this but its what I heard and I just put it together with other info.

On Fit TV or discovery channel, not sure which one. I heard the diet soda isn't to much better then regular soda b/c it contains aspartame and aspartame has the same effect that regular soda has b/c it causes a high insulin spike. If this is true wouldn't diet soda be good for post workout? Since it would cause the insulin spike and all that, which os the reason people use dex/malto dex.

ryuage
07-29-2005, 05:21 PM
no

sCaRz*Of*PaiN
07-29-2005, 05:25 PM
I'm going to agree with ryuage.

Built
07-29-2005, 06:29 PM
I've read that it CAN stimulate a mild insulin response, but I'm not sure how profound this is.

Shao-LiN
07-29-2005, 06:32 PM
It can, but it isn't high. And it definately isn't high enough to use as a form of post workout spiking strategy....not even close.

YungLifter
07-29-2005, 07:45 PM
O ok I was just wondering.

SW
07-29-2005, 08:43 PM
you can , however, add it to a homemade barbecue sauce with catsup and it is great :)

Rygel
07-29-2005, 09:24 PM
also it goes really good with rum (coconut) for a jack and coke coke replacement if your diebetic or tryin to reduce your sugar intake!

Optimum08
07-30-2005, 01:12 AM
stick with plain dex for that insulin spike PWO...cheap and effective...what more could u want?

Optimum08
07-30-2005, 01:12 AM
it also adds a nice little added sweetness to the protien shake...

mrwalken
08-01-2005, 08:49 AM
You should drink up now, because I'm guessing the stuff won't even be legal in 5 or 10 years.

http://cspinet.org/new/200507272.html

The FDA will fight this as long as they can since they have a lot of money at stake. But enough independent studies will eventually force them to ban this poison.

RussianRocket
08-01-2005, 08:54 AM
the best use for diet cola is shaking the sucke up and throwing it in a public area to see people dance.

Blood&Iron
08-01-2005, 11:27 AM
You should drink up now, because I'm guessing the stuff won't even be legal in 5 or 10 years.

http://cspinet.org/new/200507272.html

The FDA will fight this as long as they can since they have a lot of money at stake. But enough independent studies will eventually force them to ban this poison.
I would hardly consider the CSPI a reputable source of information.
http://www.cspiscam.com/
It should be noted that this is almost certainly an industry funded site (and so should be viewed with a similar level of scepticism as CSPI itself), but it does give some context to CSPIs claims.

Aspartame is one of the most widely studied food additives in existence. The overwhelming bulk of evidence suggests aspartame is safe when consumed at non-insane levels.

mrwalken
08-01-2005, 11:42 AM
I would hardly consider the CSPI a reputable source of information.
http://www.cspiscam.com/
It should be noted that this is almost certainly an industry funded site (and so should be viewed with a similar level of scepticism as CSPI itself), but it does give some context to CSPIs claims.


Well, in this case, CSPI is just referencing a study conducted by an Italian university and published in the European Journal of Oncology. I actually heard it on cnn, and just googled it and that was the first link that popped up.


Aspartame is one of the most widely studied food additives in existence. The overwhelming bulk of evidence suggests aspartame is safe when consumed at non-insane levels.

This simply is not true. The only studies concluding that aspartame is safe were conducted by the FDA and largely funded by nutrasweet. Independent (mostly university) studies have had mixed/inconclusive results at best.

Blood&Iron
08-01-2005, 12:20 PM
This simply is not true. The only studies concluding that aspartame is safe were conducted by the FDA and largely funded by nutrasweet. Independent (mostly university) studies have had mixed/inconclusive results at best.
http://www.greenfacts.org/aspartame/l-3/aspartame-99.htm#0
Source document:
http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out155_en.pdf

Of course, if new evidence suggests it is unsafe that's a whole other story.
Science is a constant process of reevaluation. If an overwhelming body of evidience show aspartame is unsafe, the FDA should take action.

If you ready the study referenced by CSPI (which is available as a PDF) it does suggest an increase in lymphomas and leukemias--at least in female rats (no statistically significant difference was found in males). But consider that a can of pop contains approx 25mg of aspartame and the lowest dose administered to the groups in which a statistically significant increase of these pathologies were detected was the equivalent of someone like myself (weighing 220 lbs) drinking 45 cans of pop a day every day for my entire life, it hardly seems convincing. That's not to say I think the study is invalid, simply that IMO it should be taken with a (large) grain of salt.

mrwalken
08-01-2005, 01:04 PM
http://www.greenfacts.org/aspartame/l-3/aspartame-99.htm#0
Source document:
http://europa.eu.int/comm/food/fs/sc/scf/out155_en.pdf

Of course, if new evidence suggests it is unsafe that's a whole other story.
Science is a constant process of reevaluation. If an overwhelming body of evidience show aspartame is unsafe, the FDA should take action.

If you ready the study referenced by CSPI (which is available as a PDF) it does suggest an increase in lymphomas and leukemias--at least in female rats (no statistically significant difference was found in males). But consider that a can of pop contains approx 25mg of aspartame and the lowest dose administered to the groups in which a statistically significant increase of these pathologies were detected was the equivalent of someone like myself (weighing 220 lbs) drinking 45 cans of pop a day every day for my entire life, it hardly seems convincing. That's not to say I think the study is invalid, simply that IMO it should be taken with a (large) grain of salt.


A can of soda could contain as much as 100mg of aspartame. Note that the avg intake of aspartame is about 2 to 3 mg / kg of body weight, and that a dosage of 4 mg / kg of body weight increased the occurrance of the cancerous compounds by 62%. Not enough to be statistically significant perhaps, but still a little scary.

Blood&Iron
08-01-2005, 01:50 PM
A can of soda could contain as much as 100mg of aspartame. Note that the avg intake of aspartame is about 2 to 3 mg / kg of body weight, and that a dosage of 4 mg / kg of body weight increased the occurrance of the cancerous compounds by 62%. Not enough to be statistically significant perhaps, but still a little scary.
Yes, it looks like my figure was significantly off (dunno where I pulled it from). Doing a few quick checks, it seems the amount may be even higher than 100mg (I saw figures as high as 200mg per can) which negates my previous comments.

I'm not going to stop drinking diet soda because of this, however. If it's supported by further studies, I will reconsider.

Griffin98
08-01-2005, 09:53 PM
Regular soda does cause an insulin spike because of the fructose but it's harder for your system to absorb and utilize. Actually, the fructose undegoes a hepatic conversion and its mostly eliminated.

An alternative might be to take a diet soda and add maltodextrin. There's your spike.

Built
08-01-2005, 10:56 PM
It's not the fructose that causes the insulin spike. Fructose is low GI.

It's the glucose part of HFCS that spikes insulin.

Fitnessfreak
08-02-2005, 12:25 AM
I don't really trust aspartame so I switched to Diet Crush (it comes in cream soda, grape and orange) and its made with splenda which I've only heard good things about.

Also Theres a new diet coke coming out made with splenda (which displays they switched for unspoken reasons). The research articles I have read about splenda are not negative while about 90% of the non-FDA ones on aspartame are negative or as mentioned; inconclusive.

Aspartame also has been linked to neurological and endocrine disorders and I may be working on a research study on aspartame in the next few years to figure it out. For now its just a waiting game, but just to be safe I'd switch.