Total newbie Deca question

[newbie101]

As someone said in a previous thread, our first cycle isn't always what we want it to be. Certainly the case with me.

I did an eight week cycle of deca. Mot a whole lot, started at 100mg/week and peaked out at 300mg/week. I'm finishing it up with some clomid.

I actually made some reasonable gains in strength and size, which is the good thing. The bad thing is my erections are quite a bit weaker. Not good! How long is this condition likely to persist?

And yes, next time I will do my homework a little more thoroughly!

[Severed Ties]

The problem with your course of action is you used a very weak amount of steroid, which is why your gains were sub-par. While really slamming your HPTA axis. Nandrolone is arguably the most surpressive anabolic out their. No one is sure why but in many users it tends to leave serious recovery problems even after it has left your system. However look at it's detection time, their is no reason for it to be detectable until 18 months after the last injection. The half-lives would have expired long ago, So the theory is the body recycles some of the metebolites, but no one has really investigated this further.

Now back to your problem, Generally it will take a few weeks until after the drug has left your system to fully recover, unless HCG was used. Since you didn't switch drugs and use a shorter acting nandrolone to finish or HCG you can expect to be in recovery for about the same amount of time you were "on". While most cycles only require clomid for 2-3 weeks, When Deca is used I prefer to run it a week past when erectile function seems normal. This is usually between 4-8 weeks. After the first 2-3 weeks I drop the dose to 50mg Clomid EOD. If your cycle hasn't finished and you can acquire HCG you may be able to speed up your recovery. Otherwise your just gonna have to wait it out.

In the future you may want to avoid Deca, but if not I always recommend stacking it with Test and stopping the Deca by week six and running Test until week 10.

ST

[newbie101]

Thanks for the advice.

I'm glad I found this board. It'll be nice to have better sources of information.

[Tadger]

Another thing... why does everyone want to taper deca, sust and the like? The whole point of the extremely hydrophobic ester(read: really long halflife) is so you don't have to taper. Its best to just run them all straight through.

[heathj]

Can you get me some steroids? What's your source? haha....May I ask why did you start taking steroids without knowing absolutely everything that you could about them?

[Severed Ties]

Tadger I used to wonder the same thing myself...the only thing I can come up with is that it's just whats been beaten into peoples heads over the years, truth be told in my opinion their isn't much reason to taper in general, well anymore anyways. I know before guys knew about clomid by doing a very slow prolonged taper they were able to minimize the crash at the end of the cycle.

I can't come up with a single reason to taper up doses...unless non-optimal gains is desired, in which case you deserve to be repeatedly jabbed with a large philips headscrew driver.

ST

[newbie101]

There certainly is a lot of conflicting information out there about this stuff, which doesn't make it any easier. For example, there's probably a dozen sites out there that recommend a deca-only cycle as a beginner cycle.

And my first experiment was at least a partial success. I added a good 40lbs to my bench, and approximately 10lbs of lean body mass. Enough to be noticed, anyhow.

Of course I am pissed about the side effect; I was led to believe at this level that wouldnt be an issue. But live and learn, I am just praying to all gods above that it isn't permanent.

I going to have to read this boards FAQ to see if you guys have put together a good read list that will help out. I'll be more careful next time, and ask lots of questions. Hopefully you all will have the patience to answer.

[Tadger]

The only time I recommend tapering up is if you're trying something new that you haven't done and want to make sure you don't have a reaction, or you're using abombs or high dosages of dbol and you want to see how much you can take without getting nosebleeds and whatnot. Other than that... just go for it. Other than that... I'm with you ST.

[MrSholders]

im on decca for that reason its mild! 1st course after a year out.
8 week course 1 every 5 days will i need hcg? sounds like the advice is yes! so how much and how often?
thanks lads!

[Tadger]

1? 1what? We need dosages... telling us how many ml, or amps or vials tells us nothing how much active substance we're dealing with.

Anyway... you'll need to use clomid and you can throw in HCG if you would like.

Lastly... deca is not as mild as everyone thinks. Personally I think that it is just as tough if not tougher on your system than test.

[Belial]

Tadger/ST--- How/when would you cycle hcg? Use it regularly throughout the cycle, use it close to the end, or use it after clomid has been started? All at once? Or divided doses? I was under the impression it'd be best to take it close to the end of the cycle, but before clomid is started, since it's HPTA suppressive... Some people talk about hitting 5000iu's of it at once, while other use 1000 iu's a day for a week...

Or do you feel it's a worthless substance?

Thoughts?

[Severed Ties]

Just to hit on something Tadger said first. Deca is the single hardest anabolic steroid to recover from. Test is actually fairly mild on recovery since it is naturally occuring whereas something like anadrol is not. When Test was being studied as a form of male contraception complete recovery was seen in about 4 weeks after cession without the use of clomid or recovery agents. The only thing I imagine being milder on the HPTA is a low dose of primo or anavar.

Now on to the HCG inquery-

HCG is excellent, it's also inexpensive enough that I don't cycle without it. If you hit it properly you can actually avoid any real crash post cycle.

HCG is also an absolute necessity for someone who is "on" for six months or longer at a time.

HCG is suppressive to the HPTA only when people use to much of it. HCG is regularly used to augment LH production (between 500-1000iu every one to three days) when someone suffers from low T levels due to insufficient LH production.

In standard 8-12 week cycles HCG can simply be run at 500iu every 3rd day to prevent testicular atrophy straight throught the cycle, this can get costly however...it's definetly cheaper to "let the boys shrink up" In a long cycle, 6 months or more, HCG is best used every 4 weeks 5,000iu total at 1000iu EOD.

When ending a cycle I use one 10,000iu kit and start injections based on the ester used. Anything short or meduim I would start a day or two after my last injection. Anything long acting like Deca, Sust, Omna, EQ I would wait a week to start.

HCG is active around five days but most of it's effect is seen in the first three so injections should be EOD or every 3rd day. I prefer every 3rd myself.

schedule looks like this for 10,000iu
3000, 2000, 1000, 1000, 500...500 until finished

5000iu would go
1000, 1000, 500, 500 until finished

I always run arimidex since it aids in recovery however gyno should not be much of a concern with this schedule unless you are particularly sensitive. Clomid is started whenever the AS has completely left the system and run for 2-3 weeks past the last injection of HCG.

ST

[beercan]

Originally posted by Belial
... Some people talk about hitting 5000iu's of it at once

Thoughts?

Those are the same morons that say it sucks because it gave them gyno.

[Belial]

Originally posted by beercan


Those are the same morons that say it sucks because it gave them gyno.


Figured as much; didn't make ANY sense whatsoever to me.

Thanks guys.

[MrSholders]

could you shed some light on test? is that sustanon winstrol etc? and what is clomid? is it the same as hcg? sorry lads new to the gear i will learn just dont want to **** myself up along the way cheers lads!! :help: