Ultimate Fighter Season 2

[cphafner]

I don't think I've seen a thread on season 2 yet. Thoughts? I was very dissapointed by the first week. I thought the competitors came in with very poor conditioning. Some of the guys look like they can fight, and have trained with great camps. I'm looking forward to tonight, I just with they would move it to an earlier time. The show ending after midnight makes it tough to get up for AM workouts.

[pinky8713]

I was also dissapointed at the first week. Too many pansy asses. The one guy who left, "oh, i've never had anxiety like this before" because of the cameras. I think that's a load of crap. He knew he was going to be on tv, and shouldn't have came if he can't handle being on a camera. Maybe he was telling the truth, but i think he just pussied out after seeing the competition.

Then the dude who was supposed to fight, who had to drop some major weight...Yeah, that was a lot of weight to drop, but he should have done it. I mean, before he even got close to the weight, he wanted to come out of the sauna or whatever it's called every 2 seconds. If i had an opportunity like that, i'd do whatever it takes.

I like the coaches though. Because Matt Hughes is the man.

[cphafner]

Then the dude who was supposed to fight, who had to drop some major weight...Yeah, that was a lot of weight to drop, but he should have done it. I mean, before he even got close to the weight, he wanted to come out of the sauna or whatever it's called every 2 seconds. If i had an opportunity like that, i'd do whatever it takes.

I like the coaches though. Because Matt Hughes is the man.

I wish they would have let Franklin brought that kid into the ring and whooped his ass.

[CiteCollegiale]

That new heavyweight is massive

[VDubb]

Melvin was disappointing, but I kind of thought he'd have a tough time with ____ (Josh I think...)

Much more entertaining than week 1's letdown!

[Roark]

from what i can see, skill level is much higher this season

[CarlP]

I'm confused why the guy fighting in the 170 lb class came in at 190. It's called preparation dumbass.

[Anthony]

The best part so far is the xyience commercials featuring Amber. Oh, and the product placements during the show.

Seriously though, I think it will be a good season. The guys look to be in great shape, skill level is decent from what I can tell, and hopefully all the pussies have quit.

The first fight was okay ... I expected Melvin to unleash on Josh, but he looked really timid. I guess all talk, no action. He had his moments and made contact, but he just couldn't keep it going. And what was up with giving his back so much? Josh had some nice slams, but got caught in the guillotine way to many times. I think a better grappler would have submitted Josh on one of those. Then again, Josh should have submitted Melvin with a rear naked choke ... I have no idea why he wasn't attempting it.

[Miker]

can you guys tell me what time and night this is on?

[Anthony]

Monday at 11:05 ET.

www.theultimatefighter.tv
www.spiketv.com

[Holto]

I'm confused why the guy fighting in the 170 lb class came in at 190. It's called preparation dumbass.

Basically because he's not a welterweight.

He probably fights at 185. I was suprised to see him be picked so early.

The confusing part is why they would pick people from weightclasses other than heavy and welterweight.

[Holto]

I was also dissapointed at the first week. Too many pansy asses. The one guy who left, "oh, i've never had anxiety like this before" because of the cameras. I think that's a load of crap. He knew he was going to be on tv, and shouldn't have came if he can't handle being on a camera. Maybe he was telling the truth, but i think he just pussied out after seeing the competition.

I was reading here:

http://www.theultimatefighter.tv/forum/forum.php?fid=1

(the actual fighters post here)

I was talking to Forrest, Nate and Bobby last year.

Basically Seth and Keith were slamming Eli all over the place.

He allegedly said to keith "man you guys are throwing me around like a rag doll"

[BilltheButcher]

The best part so far is the xyience commercials featuring Amber. Oh, and the product placements during the show.


Amber rules.

Is it me or are there more guys this season?

[Anthony]

Is it me or are there more guys this season?

Season 1 had 16, Season 2 has 18.

[Anthony]

I have to admit that even though I don't like big mouths, I have respect for Melvin after he broke his hand and continued to fight. Didn't even mention it post fight. I like that.

[Holto]

I have to admit that even though I don't like big mouths, I have respect for Melvin after he broke his hand and continued to fight. Didn't even mention it post fight. I like that.

Yeah me too.

What concerns me about Melvin is thats the third broken hand.

If that is indeed the same hand then you have to wonder if he will be physically able to fight without breaking it.

[waynis]

I have to admit that even though I don't like big mouths, I have respect for Melvin after he broke his hand and continued to fight. Didn't even mention it post fight. I like that.

seems like the problem with melvin is he's afraid to show his true potential. There was soo many times in the fight when he held back and just stood too relaxed. He has some serious potential. Just need to get his head straight and allow himself to come out.

[Ares]

Maybe melvin was too distracted by his broken hand to get his head straight.

[waynis]

Maybe melvin was too distracted by his broken hand to get his head straight.

what round did he bust his hand?

[IdaMAN]

The other guy had like 5 changes to go for a choke out when he had his back but kept putting his arms around Melvins chest. It was frustrating because that should have been the first thing he thought of. He had like NO submission skills at all. That fight was sad and I hope the rest are a lot better.

[ElPietro]

We just hired the lone canadian guy Rob McDonald at the club I work at. He won't tell us how things turn out, but gives background stuff after each episode passed that he can talk about it.

He was a cop before this event, and now he's just working as a bouncer and training full time, so who knows, maybe he got the contract, or losing just made him want to train more. He's not getting much focus though right now, I think there was one short clip of him talking in episode 2 before the challenge.

I'm a bit disappointed in the show so far though, it seems like too much fluff and commercials, and not enough into the "meat" of the background training and such. Hopefully that'll change as it goes on.

[Anthony]

I hope Rob kicks ass, he looks to be in great shape.

[crazedwombat]

melvin was cool, but the match was straight old school striker vs wrestler...neither could do the other thing. but once i found out melvin broke his hand i was cool with him losing, if he didnt break it i think the third round would have gone different. i like this season but then again i'm a huge franklin and hughes fan. i just ordered 183 fights for like 30 bucks 10 dvd set...pretty sweet

[IdaMAN]

melvin was cool, but the match was straight old school striker vs wrestler...neither could do the other thing. but once i found out melvin broke his hand i was cool with him losing, if he didnt break it i think the third round would have gone different. i like this season but then again i'm a huge franklin and hughes fan. i just ordered 183 fights for like 30 bucks 10 dvd set...pretty sweet

Where did you order that from?

[aidano]

The show seems to be starting a little bit too slowly. I was a bit disappointed to see Melvin go, as he was one of the younger, and more raw fighters. He could have developed a lot during the season. Josh was obviously way more experienced in the cage.

On a related note, did anyone watch Pride on PPV at the weekend? Awesome fights. The UFC really can't touch Pride right now IMO.

[Rastaman]

The show seems to be starting a little bit too slowly. I was a bit disappointed to see Melvin go, as he was one of the younger, and more raw fighters. He could have developed a lot during the season. Josh was obviously way more experienced in the cage.

On a related note, did anyone watch Pride on PPV at the weekend? Awesome fights. The UFC really can't touch Pride right now IMO.

Totally agree on Melvin. Seems like the guys who talk the most always go out early. Too bad, as I think he has a tremendous amount of raw potential.

Pride has outclassed UFC for quite awhile now. The last few Pride events have been unbelievable. The UFC seems to cycle through alot of second-tier talent while Pride has a huge stable of top notch world class fighters. As a result, Pride constantly provides exciting matchups at every event from the top of the card through to the bottom, while a UFC card may have, at most, two fights that interest me.

[BilltheButcher]

As a result, Pride constantly provides exciting matchups at every event from the top of the card through to the bottom, while a UFC card may have, at most, two fights that interest me.

Totally agree.

As for the show, I have a feeling the heavyweight fights early on are going to be a bunch of big guys, standing around breathing heavy. Not sure if many of them are in great shape, and those that may be in great shape won't get chosen to fight.

[-TIM-]

The first fight was okay ... I expected Melvin to unleash on Josh, but he looked really timid. I guess all talk, no action. He was 22 years old, wasn't he? I don't think you would have the mindset for something like UFC at that age. He did seem timid in the ring. He said he was pissed because they called him out. I think he was pissed because he was going to have to back up all his talk and was scared. He was talking about coming from the streets and learning to fight. Well, he must not have come from anywhere rough, because he choked. I think a little more experience and he could be a good fighter though. Just wasn't ready for it yet.

I've met Matt Hughes. He used to train at Gold's in Davenport, IA a few years ago. I'd see him at bars around town too. I always wanted to see some punk start something with him, not knowing who he'd be messing with, and get his clock cleaned. That would be an awesome debacle.

[-TIM-]

Can you not headbutt in UFC matches? There were a few times that Melvin could have split Josh's nose open with the back of his head. Just curious :D

[Anthony]

He was 22 years old, wasn't he? I don't think you would have the mindset for something like UFC at that age.

There are plenty of guys that age and younger in the sport. Not to mention Melvin has ~30 fights.

[Anthony]

Can you not headbutt in UFC matches? There were a few times that Melvin could have split Josh's nose open with the back of his head. Just curious :D

Not anymore. :(

[-TIM-]

There are plenty of guys that age and younger in the sport. Not to mention Melvin has ~30 fights.Wow. I was just shooting on the dark on the age thing. Be he did appear to need a little more experience.

[aidano]

Can you not headbutt in UFC matches? There were a few times that Melvin could have split Josh's nose open with the back of his head. Just curious :D

It's been civilized in the search for more legitimacy. There were some illegal punches to the back of the head in that fight.

[crazedwombat]

Where did you order that from?


ebay of course, theres another one on there with 15 dvd of fights and 500 something fights... i didnt see it until after i bought my 10 dvd set

[CarlP]

He was 22 years old, wasn't he? I don't think you would have the mindset for something like UFC at that age. He did seem timid in the ring. He said he was pissed because they called him out. I think he was pissed because he was going to have to back up all his talk and was scared. He was talking about coming from the streets and learning to fight. Well, he must not have come from anywhere rough, because he choked. I think a little more experience and he could be a good fighter though. Just wasn't ready for it yet.

I've met Matt Hughes. He used to train at Gold's in Davenport, IA a few years ago. I'd see him at bars around town too. I always wanted to see some punk start something with him, not knowing who he'd be messing with, and get his clock cleaned. That would be an awesome debacle.

I've always wanted to see that too. I'd probably pay to see some "tough guy" start **** with a normal looking guy with skills like Hughes.

[Anthony]

I've always wanted to see that too. I'd probably pay to see some "tough guy" start **** with a normal looking guy with skills like Hughes.

Yeah, it's called Hughes VS Trigg............................ :windup:

[BilltheButcher]

Yeah, it's called Hughes VS Trigg............................ :windup:

trigg should of choked him out last fight. can't believe hughes handled that.

[MixmasterNash]

trigg should of choked him out last fight. can't believe hughes handled that.

That was an awesome fight.

[Rastaman]

trigg should of choked him out last fight. can't believe hughes handled that.


That was the best fight I've seen in the last two years.

[aidano]

Best fight I've seen was Stefan vs Forrest (if you're counting TUF season 1).

Trigg is a good fighter but is somewhat lacking in the brains department.

[Meat_Head]

Hughes OWNS! I wana see that dude go up to the heavyweight class, he'd be gigantic.

[BilltheButcher]

Missed it last night. ANything happen or anyone know when re-runs go on?

[spanky33]

Thursday same time.
or saturday at 10

[Anthony]

I haven't seen the episode yet, but this is what I read ... Josh is out (broken arm), new guy Jason is in. Team Hughes won the challenge, chose Rob VS Brad. Rob was dominating the fight until his bicep tore and then Brad caught him in a triangle choke.

[Holto]

He tore a "labum" (sp) and it rolled down into his bicep.

What the hell is a labum ?

[Roark]

that triangle did not look tight to me

[-TIM-]

that triangle did not look tight to meNo it didn't, but he had his bad shoulder locked up. His bicep looked nasty. That would suck to have something torn and be able to see it.

So far I'm not very impressed with these guys. The first fight between Josh and Melvin was okay, but the second fight was pathetic. I think it still would have sucked had they both been injury free.

[crazedwombat]

yea but man I was sick and tired of him complaining about his shoulder. Hughes was basically like, this guy is a p*ssy. Either drop out or suck it up and be a man. Once his shoulder gave during the match..hah Hughes had no sympathy when he left...they cut to his face and the look was just pure annoyance so they cut away from hughes real quick to all his teammates hugging him. hughes is a tough mofo, wasnt even impressed with the new dude from liddells camp.

[aidano]

Last night was pretty sucky. They seem like below average fighters from what we've seen so far. Jorge and Luke seem to be the most interesting characters so I hope they show much more of those two.

[Anthony]

Well, I watched the show and I have to say I'm disappointed about a few things.

First, Rob shouldn't have been talking about his shoulder so much. I don't think he was "whining" about it since it's a painful injury and he was still training, etc. But obviously you're going to take some flak when that's all you talk about.

Then the fight. Rob started off strong, got some good take downs, a nice reversal, and almost sunk the gullotine. Unfortunately for him, he was using his bad arm and the labrum tore and rolled into his bicep. He did continue fighting, which is impressive considering the pain, but you could tell he wanted out of the fight from that moment on. The triangle was painfully slow and Rob probably could have defended it. He had his hand up waiting to tap while Brad struggled to sink the triangle.

So I have mixed feelings about Rob. On one hand he talked about his shoulder too much, but on the other hand he still fought. But then he sorta slacked at the end of the fight (understandable, but don't make it so obvious). Despite all of this, I still thought it was a bit prickish for Hughes not to look at him when he was giving his goodbye speech. I know Hughes is a tough bastard and has no patience for excuses, but I wonder if Hughes has ever had an injury that serious. Getting kicked in the nads with a cup on doesn't count.

Anyway, I think Hughes did a good job at breaking Jason and then insulting him ("he doesn't have the heart!"). When Hughes told him they were going to train, Jason openly stated Matt could not break him. I mean seriously, wtf are you thinking? Matt just has to stand there and tell you to keep working. YOU ARE THE ONE who has to do it!! Who do you think will last longer?? The guy must be seriously ******ed. The only reason Matt was a prick was because Jason was so defiant. He got what he deserved.

I seriously wish they would cut the bull**** drama and focus on training/sparring/fighting, though.

[-TIM-]

I have mixed feelings about Rob. On one hand he talked about his shoulder too much, but on the other hand he still fought...Despite all of this, I still thought it was a bit prickish for Hughes not to look at him when he was giving his goodbye speech.I agree. The guy clearly had an injury that would cause a tremendous amount of pain, and Hughes cut him no slack. I think a lot of it had to do with how much he complained about it though. If he didn't talk about it, and then left because of the injury, then Hughes would have been a lot more receptive when he was leaving and saying thank you.

Another thing to think about is, if you have an injury, but are still going to fight, then it's not bad enough to keep complaining about. At least not as much as he was. There's probably a hundred ways to look at it, but any way you do, he bitched way too much.

[Anthony]

I agree ... he should have kept his mouth shut, fought, and when they found out he had a serious injury, he'd be a hero just like Melvin and Josh. Instead, he set himself up to be called a wimp ... even though he must be a tough bastard to even attempt to fight with his injury. It sucks because he probably would have done really well if he wasn't injured.

[ElPietro]

Haha, I don't know what I'll say if I see Rob at work on Saturday. :p

[Anthony]

Ask him how his shoulder is .... :p

[ElPietro]

No, I'll just triangle him and see if he can defend it. :evillaugh

[cphafner]

No, I'll just triangle him and see if he can defend it. :evillaugh

Will you take 5 minutes to set it? That was the slowest submission I have ever seen. You knew he was going for the triangle, he tried setting it about 5 times, then finally got it. I'm sure the lack of defense had to do with his should being hurt.

So far I am dissapointed with season 2. Too much BS going on. And if I hear about right guard deoderant 1 more time, I am going to scream.

[Wannabelean]

What did you all think about last nights fight? I didn't understand why Marcus didn't let his hands go? They just stood up and did nothing for a minute and a half and then Joe took him to the ground. Joe looked extremely nervous to me, but I am glad he took the win.

I thought that elbows to the head/face weren't allowed like that anymore? I thought you could only do short forearm/elbow blows now?

[VDubb]

^Pretty sure elbows have not been outlawed......

Joe is a stud who will be really tough to beat. My guess is that he'll be in the finals.

Marcus didn't do anything - if he didn't want it to go to the ground, he should've been striking. Don't just wait for him to shoot - strike - and when he goes for it - knees to the head. It almost seemed like he didn't know what he was going to do.

What a dumb choice on who to fight!! Dana was right, you pick off the weaker guys first. Marcus said 'I have a family' blah blah blah - then why didn't you pick someone you could easily beat - and get $5000?!?!?! Now, you walk away a complete loser.

[Roark]

i looked marcus up on boxrec.com

he was 17-1 as a pro boxer

not too shabby

[Anthony]

I thought that elbows to the head/face weren't allowed like that anymore? I thought you could only do short forearm/elbow blows now?

Elbows are still allowed, but no spiking. As for the fight, I'd comment, but my dvd ran out of space JUST before the fight started. Piss me off. I'll have to record it on Thursday now. :swear:

[cphafner]

These guys have to put their ego's in check. Dana is right, picking the best is just stupid. In any MMA fight win, lose, or draw there is a serious pounding on the body. This is a fairly short contest and these guys should be trying to save their bodies.

There doesn't seem to be much heart in these guys. How many guys have already quit. This last guy said I lost, so I'm retiring. Why did he even show up in the first place?

[Darcy Tucker]

Oh man. Marcus's head looked like a cantaloupe that was about to be cracked in half. I thought you could elbow to the head, just not the back of it. Either way if the ref hadn't stopped it could have gotten very ugly.

[crazedwombat]

well that was crap. tom just stood around like a girl and took it except for that brief moment of choking. rishard was who i was going for so I'm glad he won but he was all lazy, like he knew the other guy wouldnt do anything...did Tom throw the fight?

[Jorge Sanchez]

I don't know, but that was a ****ty fight.

[bill]

Terrible fight

[cphafner]

This season is losing me fast. I lose sleep everytime I stay up to watch this show because it's on so late. They really need to bring in better fighters for season 3. Why are they brining in guys that don't want to be there, and are over 30 years old. This should be for up and comers. This should be to find the next Franklin or St. Pierre, guys that are going to be around for 10 years.

[Anthony]

Where the **** do I start?

First, the Joe and Marcus fight since I finally watched it on Saturday. It pretty much went down how I expected. Joe was patient to wait for a shot, got it, then some good old fashioned G&P. I did think there were a few elbows that were illegal, but nothing was mentioned by ANYONE on the show. Strange? Either way, bad choice by Marcus.

Now on to last night's episode. You know, I don't mind people talking smack, I do it myself, but come on ... Matt's attempt to be funny(?) after the sock challenge was lame. And then he gives Rashad a hard time for show boating? lol. Okay Matt. I thought the fight was well matched, although I'm starting to get really annoyed with the injuries. Yes, I know no one is 100% at any time. But give me a ****ing break. They selected an entire cast of invalids who can barely walk across the octagon, let alone fight. If the UFC wants to gain momentum and fans with this show, give these guys a COMPLETE physical a la MLB/NBA/NHL style before they are accepted onto the show. I don't care about their age, but I do want to see some EFFORT during the fights! Anyway, enough ranting, the Tom VS Rashad fight was ****ing horrible, although I think Rashad was extremely smart in doing as little as possible to win. He wasted no energy and avoided injury.

They are claiming the next fight to be brutal, so hopefully things get better.

[Geeper]

Matt is totally turning me off this season.... He's no coach, he's on a power trip... His fighters can't even pick their own fights... he's training his people so hard they are all injured...if his fighter looses they have no heart... if they win then he claims it's all because of him... he thinks he's playing the game... he's teasing other fighters... if that's what a good coach is I guess I never want a coach! I guess it just shows how much more class and how much better last year's coaches and Franklin are.

Can you imagine having the chance of a lifetime to do what you wanted to do and then have your coach decide your future, who you were going to fight etc...and train you so hard you were injured and couldn't give 100% because you had been over training and just exhausted, then you loose and he tells you you have no heart and didn't give 100% (or if you win he takes all the credit from you)

Honestly, I thought I was the only one thinking he was a jerk, but over on the Ultimate Fighter boards people are pretty upset with Matt as well. He had the chance to be home town boy made good/ Captain America 2 but is just looking like a typical high school bully.

[Chubrock]

I guess I'm one of the few that actually likes Hughes' coaching style. I like his work you to death, mentally straining type work ethic. He has worked extremely hard to be where he is at fighting wise, so he knows what it's going to take for these guys to make it to the top. This isn't a show to find the top underwater basket weaver. This is a show about finding the top fighter out there. These guys should have known the type of work ethic and pure mental toughness they'd have to draw on in order to make it from week to week in this show. I don't really think Matt is asking too much from his team at all. I mean take Joe Stevenson for exampe. He drinks quite a bit on the show, appears to carry a bit more bf than the other competitors in his division but yet you never see him complain about how tough the workouts are or how he can't make it through them. I just think that several of the guys on that show didn't realize what they were getting themselves into, and now realize that maybe all this work isn't what they really wanted. Just my two cents tho.

[Wannabelean]

That fight sucked ass.. I haven't seen a good fight yet on this show(I have only seen the last 3 fights)

I am with cphafner on this one, the show is starting to be a waste of valuable sleep time because the fights are so damn boring.

[BilltheButcher]

I'm thinking that these fights are suckign is these guys realize from what happened last season, get a bad cut or injury you lose your shot. Kind of Kenny getting that one blow and boom in the finals. $100k contract a lot for these guys to lose.

Also Hughes I think is playing it up for the camera. Maybe making the villan of the show or someone to tune into to see what he'll say or do next.

I'd rather be watching old reruns of UFC fights, or just watch them train.

[Wannabelean]

Has anyone seen the pride FC show that comes on monday nights yet ? I think it came on around 9 and it was just a bunch of old fights. A lot more entertaining than this show is, IMO

[BilltheButcher]

Has anyone seen the pride FC show that comes on monday nights yet ? I think it came on around 9 and it was just a bunch of old fights. A lot more entertaining than this show is, IMO

Saw the PRIDE show on Fox Sports. They got Bas Rutten as a commentator. They showed some Don Frye fights (gonna grow that mustache one day).

Also finally saw Tom v. Rashad fight. You got to be freakin kidding me. I understand not trying to get hurt or injured for the show, but come on. I did like seeing the horror on Dana's face when talking about that fight.

[MixmasterNash]

That fight SUCKED.

I do know that I will never, ever buy RightGuard eXtreme.

[Wannabelean]

Speedstick 24/7 is the real deal.

Yeah, Bas Rutten was hosting the PrideFC show that I saw. I hope it comes on every week. Very entertaining, between that show and the football game on Monday I was in cable heaven

[-TIM-]

Matt is totally turning me off this season.... He's no coach, he's on a power trip... His fighters can't even pick their own fights... he's training his people so hard they are all injured...if his fighter looses they have no heart... if they win then he claims it's all because of him... he thinks he's playing the game... he's teasing other fighters... if that's what a good coach is I guess I never want a coach! I guess it just shows how much more class and how much better last year's coaches and Franklin are.I have to disagree with your take on Matt. He's smart to not let his fighters pick their own match-ups. Look what happened with Marcus and Joe. Matt knew before the fight even started that Marcus made a huge mistake as a striker to go after their best grappler. The other coach should have told Marcus no when he said he wanted to go after Joe.

I don't think we can assume that Matt is training these guys into the ground either. Reason being, we only see about 3 minutes worth of training on the show. The rest is filled up with reality TV bulls**t and crappy fights that last 1 round. If they go any longer it's because the fighters are spending most of there time circling each other. The reality of the injuries are that they happen. It comes with the territory of training, or fighting, in the UFC.

Matt's getting under the skin of one fighter. How does that reflect badly on him as a coach? I can't remember the fighter's name, but he needs to grow thicker skin. Matt would leave him alone if he didn't let Matt get under his skin. I learned that in grade school.

Just a few of my opinions.

[Wannabelean]

I think Matt is hilarious. I like how he pisses that one guy off, I would like to see them two go at it in the octagon.

[Geeper]

I have to disagree with your take on Matt. He's smart to not let his fighters pick their own match-ups. Look what happened with Marcus and Joe. Matt knew before the fight even started that Marcus made a huge mistake as a striker to go after their best grappler. The other coach should have told Marcus no when he said he wanted to go after Joe.

I don't think we can assume that Matt is training these guys into the ground either. Reason being, we only see about 3 minutes worth of training on the show. The rest is filled up with reality TV bulls**t and crappy fights that last 1 round. If they go any longer it's because the fighters are spending most of there time circling each other. The reality of the injuries are that they happen. It comes with the territory of training, or fighting, in the UFC.

Matt's getting under the skin of one fighter. How does that reflect badly on him as a coach? I can't remember the fighter's name, but he needs to grow thicker skin. Matt would leave him alone if he didn't let Matt get under his skin. I learned that in grade school.

Just a few of my opinions.

You know... If Matt was a contestant I would agree with you 100%... BUT... he's a coach there to help these guys win, not only a contract, not only a game show...but basically a new career for life. I just think he's not coaching so much as he thinks he's a contestant in some way.

I do think it's odd ALL his heavy weights are injured. I don't think it's cool he's picking on the other teams contestants, Chuck and Randy HELPED the other teams contestants from time to time. (remember stuff like Sam running with Randy's team every morning)

I guess I really liked Chuck and Randy's style last year when they HELPED everyone and anyone in any way they could, I think they realized it wasn't a show about them, it was a show about 16 people trying to live their dream and they were there to help in anyway possible... I also think Franklin is coaching like that..

[g00dnick]

lmao...

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/449/rashad9qy7rm.gif

[Geeper]

lmao...

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/449/rashad9qy7rm.gif

I've seen A LOT of black street fighters dance around like Rashad... I never thought twice about it being weird contrary to 99.99% of the people who saw the fight.

[crazedwombat]

Im with geeper, matt should be a bit more mature and instead of focusing on his team winning everything, he should do like the coaches last season and help them all. These are the next generation fighters and they should be helping them. Hughes is def on a power trip and it's annoying.

[crazedwombat]

much more exciting fight. closer too. I love how Matt got played on the challenge and Rich school him good. I was rooting for Jorge, I thought he had a lot of heart and the other guy seemed to much of a wuss and no heart at all. It was a really close fight, I dont hate the call but I liked Jorge

[Wannabelean]

I was expecting Jorge to be a lot better since he was talking so much trash and had such a short temper. Kinda funny that he lost to that big dork who probably had a lot less experience than him.

[biggimp]

it looked like they were both afraid to go in and hit each other. especially that lanky white guy that won. he had like a foot for a reach advantage, and never even used that to his advantage...

[Anthony]

I'm not a huge fan of showboating, especially when a guy is not being aggressive, but I wouldn't have made a huge deal like Matt did. ESPECIALLY when Matt has been talking **** the entire show. And then he laughs when Joe showboats during the challenge? Smart move by Franklin to forfeit - I think that really pissed Matt off by making him look stupid.

On to the fight ...

I thought Jason looked sloppy and he didn't have much power in his strikes. But he DID listen to his corner like crazy. I've never seen someone react so quickly to what the corner is yelling, which I thought was excellent. In my opinion, his best offense was ground and pound with those elbows. He did a great job landing some nice short shots.

Jorge ... well ... I never really felt like he was ahead in this fight. Even the first round he won was sketchy. True, his knee buckled and he continued to fight like an ox, so I give him credit for that. But it never looked like he had a game plan, other than the very close choke he almost sunk.

Overall, good fight. I wouldn't say it was amazing, but definitely better than last week!

[cphafner]

Finally a good fight...better keep it up!

[bill]

The show boating, I think Matt was just mad his man lost. He's like a lot wrestling coaches they take what there wrestler does personal. They did make him look bad forfieting. Jorge wasn't the fighter he thought he was. The heavies may throw down for at least a round.

[Geeper]

I think this last episode showed how much Matt doesn't understand what is going on and what the point of the show really is. If I was to go away to a camp to work on MMA I think his tech might work quite well, but in the context of a game show... I don't think he's helping his fighters that much.

Jason is a great example... 2 days before the biggest fight of his life Matt opens cuts on Jason's face while punishing him for Tom loosing, runs his team into the ground, the day before Jason's fight he doesn't even help, it's the other trainers working Jason while Matt says (and I quote) referring to the previous fighters bouts "I haven't lost a fight I didn't want to loose", while Jason warms up Matt's playing solitary while it's the other trainers helping him, after the first round Matt says nothing to Jason.... After the second round when Jason starts winning Matt is suddenly his best buddy...

Now I know what Matt is doing as far as training works as a technique in camps, in the military etc to build a team unit... but guess what, the show isn't about a team, it's about one heavyweight and one welter weight winning. Do you really think it would have mattered who's team Deigo was on last season or is his team had won or lost all the challenges?

Then there's the showboating thing again....

All I keep thinking is if I was there, and it meant going back to washing dishes or winning $100,000.00 contract, I'd be pretty pissed Matt was playing with my future just to feed his ego... I'd be pissed I couldn't choose my own fights... I'd be pissed if he was opening cuts on my face a few days before a fight... I'd be pissed if I was too worn down to give 100%... Does anyone really doubt why all his heavy weights are injured anymore? and now Joe (who I think was a shoe in to win) is hurting too... Way to go Matt

[MixmasterNash]

Well, let me be the first to say, "damn."

The "nerd" had some great dirty boxing and that kick at the end was mean as hell.

[Atrox Mortis]

Whoo, talk about a slugfest tonight. Luke really proved himself tonight. He was that weird, quiet guy in the corner pretty much all season, but he was a madman in the octagon tonight. Anthony fought a good fight too, but Luke pretty much controlled the fight the entire time, even when he was on his back. This opens up some interesting possibilities for later welterweight bouts too. A Jason von Flue/ Luke Cummo semifinal welterweight fight would be a thing to see....

[ElPietro]

I don't think Anthony fought well at all. He did not follow his gameplan very well, of trying to take Luke down. He tried a couple times, but the majority of the fight, he was simply standing toe to toe eating fists and knees.

He might as well have ate those fists while shooting in, which he didn't do once. Only time he got a single leg was when they were tied up on the fence.

He knew going in he couldn't stay standing with Luke, but barely did a thing to turn it into a ground fight.

Now his face looks like pizza because of it.

[Anthony]

Not to mention he ignored his corner the entire fight. At least he can take a hit. Goddamn that boy ate some decent shots. Didn't Luke look like a total Badass before the fight?? You know ... after he took off the ninja mask!! LOL!

[Wannabelean]

Hahaha, that was a good fight. I was glad that I didn't lose sleep staying up to watch another boring fight!!

[[[[----]]]]

I finally watched this for the first time last night. I thought it was a pretty cool show. Yeah, that dude got his azz handed to him.

[Wannabelean]

I like the show, but could they plug the supplements a little bit more? DAMN!! It was starting to get annoying. "I am putting deodorant on" *close up of right guard deodorant* *sniffs arm pits* "mmmmmmm"

"So what are you taking, Xyience or GNC 50 gram slam?" "Definitely the Xyience bro" blahh blahh blahhh

[VDubb]

^Yea, but you could tell they were chuckling while doing it.......pretty blatent, but funny at the same time.


As for Luke, he'll be tough to beat - though we haven't seen Sammy in action - I want to see him go because he's from my hometown and trains there as well.

A Joe/Luke matchup would be sweet to watch.......

[MixmasterNash]

I think Joe will kill Luke in about a minute if he can get him to the ground. If Luke can keep thing standing, he might have a chance.

[-TIM-]

I don't think Anthony fought well at all. He did not follow his gameplan very well, of trying to take Luke down. He tried a couple times, but the majority of the fight, he was simply standing toe to toe eating fists and knees.

He might as well have ate those fists while shooting in, which he didn't do once. Only time he got a single leg was when they were tied up on the fence.

He knew going in he couldn't stay standing with Luke, but barely did a thing to turn it into a ground fight.

Now his face looks like pizza because of it.I think Luke took Anthony out of his gameplan though. Which was to get him on the ground. Luke was on the bottom but making better contact with elbows. Matt was right after the first round when he told Luke that he made Anthony rethink taking him down to the mat.

Luke dominated every aspect of that fight. So far he's the only fighter I've seen that seems to have a chance if given a UFC contract. Then again, Joe seems like a solid fighter too. But last nights fight was much better.

Geeper - I have to agree with your response to what I wrote before. Matt shouldn't act the way he has as a coach. My train of though would have been more realistic if he was a contestant, not a coach. He's just being an ass at this point. Focus on helping the fighers, nothing more.

It was great how Franklin made Matt look stupid in that challange with Joe and that other heavyweight. Solid coaching move from a contest standpoint.

[ARN]

I think Anothony lost the fight last night because of he lacked stamina. He looked like he ran out of gas real early in the fight. There were times were he looked like he could barely stand.

[bill]

I was surprised that Luke could fight. The ground skills look limited but he stays busy and fights to make up for that.

[Chubrock]

I feel that Luke will get crushed if he faces Joe. Joe is probably in the best athletic shape out of everybody on that shoe. Joe is comfortable up top as he focus on his standup long before he got into BJJ. Luke didn't show me anything that would make me believe he'll be able to stop Joe from taking him down. As soon as it hits the mat Stevenson will shine and Luke is going to be in a world of hurt. I mean I like the guy, but I just don't think he has ANYTHING for Stevenson, and I think Stevenson has the best shot for getting a contract.

[g00dnick]

Joe ain't too bad on his feet either...I've seen quite a few fights of his...former KOTC champion...but if he takes it to the ground...easy...

[g00dnick]

None of the remaining Welterweights are close to as strong as Joe...you saw Luke couldn't do anything when he had the double underhooks on Anthony...he would get dominated on the ground with Joe...Luke's Muy Thai is very good though, he may put up a decent fight in standup, but he has no chance in stopping a takedown...Joe is just too powerful for him...

Same with Jason and probably Sammy...I have yet to see him fight...I couldn't imagine him overpowering anyone though..

The final will probably be similar to Diego vs Kenny from last season..

[Anthony]

The only way I see Joe losing the contract is via injury ... either broken hand/ankle or cut above the eye. I seriously doubt any of the remaining welterweights will stand a chance against him. And to think he's 5'7. ;)

The previews for next week say there's a surprise in the heavy weight fight ... maybe Whitehead loses??

[g00dnick]

Hmm...haven't really paid as much attention to heavyweights...not one of them has yet impressed me...who all is left now? whitehead, rashad, brad, seth...? should be..what two more?

[Anthony]

I think Keith is the only other HW. I want to see him fight.

[g00dnick]

Yep...couldn't think of him..should be good

[Roark]

i couldn't resist reading spoilers on one of the mma forums

[Chubrock]

Excokehead- Been reading up on on sherdog.net??


But yea I have a feeling Whitehead is going to lose, but I don't think it's going to be a normal loss. For some reason I think something crazy is going to happen (ie crappiest heavyweight throws a shot for the moon and just happens to catch him, or something crazy like that).


Joe is the exact type of guy I hate to roll with, and would hate to have to fight. He's about as wide as he is tall, strong as an ox, has great muscular endurance. He's too big for you to successfully hold guard on, because it's so easy for him to get his shoulders through and then pound the hell out of you. He's too quick and has a pretty good chin it seems, so staying standing is going to be near impossible. He also seems like a smart fighter, who really hangs on Hughes every word, so I'd feel confident that he knows exactly what he should and should not do. I don't see anybody standing a chance.

[Anthony]

He's about as wide as he is tall, strong as an ox, has great muscular endurance.

What's wrong with that? :windup:

[Chubrock]

What's wrong with that? :windup:

HAHA not a thing, as long as you're the wide as you are tall and strong as an ox guy. Being on the receiving end of that just isn't fun haha. It really makes you work on your technique though.

[Anthony]

:evillaugh:

[Geeper]

I'm guessing the final will be Luke and Joe.. and if Luke can keep him up it could go either way. For as much press etc as Joe gets for being great, he wasn't super quick taking Marcus down (didn't they circle for like a minute or more while Joe figured out what to do?) and Marcus sucked on the ground and even trying to stop the take downs he sucked...Joe is ground game king... Luke on the other hand was dominating Torres from the bottom, giving him a hard time with taking him down and far outclassing him in the stand up game....... and Luke will not submit, he'll go unconscious first...

I think Luke and Joe in the final and it'll be an other Forrest/Bonnar type fight.. with my money on Luke. (6 months or so to prepare for Joe and his style, I think Luke will train for that)

HW- Up in the air... Dana didn't look happy in the previews. How about Hughes wins the challenge, picks Mike and Rashad.. Rashad wins by freak K.O.(It's obvious Dana and Matt want Mike in the finals) after that I would guess Keith and Seth or Rashad and Seth in the finals with Seth taking it all.

PS- It's also interesting that since there has been so much of controversy about Hughes and the way he has acted during the show that some of the newer episodes have been re-edited apparently (with less Hughes "bad guy" and more Hughes "Nice guy"). Some of his team that have been eliminated have tip toed around the subject of his coaching, but it's obvious they were not happy and it'll be interesting what they have to say when the gag order is removed.....

[Wannabelean]

What a pathetic fight!! Whitehead didn't work at all

[MixmasterNash]

What a stinker!

[BilltheButcher]

I use to love these type of guys when playing football. Studs in the weight room, studs when practicing (b/c they know where everyone is going), studs when doing drills, but when it came down to the game they fell flat on their faces.

Whitehead seems to be that guy. Also did it look like Rashad was the same size as him, even though he was 30lbs smaller. Hughes yelling in the background was hilarious to me, "Lean up against the fence, there's only 30 sec left."

BTW, does anyone think that Nate Quarry has a chance against Rich Franklin?

[Anthony]

Haven't seen the episode yet, so I'll reserve comment.

As for Nate VS Rich ... I think it will be one hell of a fight. I like both fighters, but I hope Rich wins.

[g00dnick]

Rich will probably dominate him...

[MixmasterNash]

Whitehead seems to be that guy. Also did it look like Rashad was the same size as him, even though he was 30lbs smaller. Hughes yelling in the background was hilarious to me, "Lean up against the fence, there's only 30 sec left."

I bet rashad had almost identical muscle mass to whitehead. I loved the irony of hearing Whitehead preach about workouts being mental, not cardio, earlier in the workout. Well, Whitehead didn't have either.

[Miker]

That was horrible... If you don't want to fight.. then don't.. but don't waste everyone's time and money pretending.

[getfit]

can someone enlighten me who Rich is again?

[IdaMAN]

When they were showing scenes for next weeks show, they showed him saying he wasn't a fighter. Well we figured that out lastnight lol.

[Anthony]

can someone enlighten me who Rich is again?

Rich is the coach of the green team. http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=392

[getfit]

ahh ok, haven't watched the fights in awhile i've been stuck on watching womens boxing :D

[-TIM-]

Last night sucked. Rashad's punches looked weak, but Whitehead didn't even fight. Rashad only won 30 to 27, so it's not like he dominated the fight with power. It was like he was shadow boxing. Whitehead was pathetic. I thought it was fitting when Matt yelled at him to lean up against the fence and wait for time to run out. Most of the fights this season have been disappointing, but this one was about as fun as watching dart tourneys on ESPN 2. I think a fight between Luke and Joe would the most exciting to watch. Let's hope it happens.

[getfit]

i really like rashad, did he do that bad? haven't watched it

[Anthony]

Rashad is a small heavyweight so he has to be careful. Not to mention this is a tournament, not just one fight. He does just what is necessary to win, stays healthy, and remains in the house. Doesn't make for the most exciting fighting, but it's definitely smart.

[BilltheButcher]

Rashad is a small heavyweight so he has to be careful. Not to mention this is a tournament, not just one fight. He does just what is necessary to win, stays healthy, and remains in the house. Doesn't make for the most exciting fighting, but it's definitely smart.

They have to figure out something where if you fight and win you don't fight until all the other fighters in your division fights, so if they do get hurt then they at least got some time to heal up. Problem is I don't think Whitehead was protecting himself, I think he just was waiting to counter or Rashad to make a mistake and it never happened.

Dana's got to be pissed. WWE moves to USA removing a lot of lead in viewers and also the fights have sucked.

[MixmasterNash]

Rashad may have injured his arm too -- preview shows it in a sling? And the talk of bringing back a fighter?

[BilltheButcher]

Rashad may have injured his arm too -- preview shows it in a sling? And the talk of bringing back a fighter?

They'll bring someone back, just in case the stiches don't heal.

[getfit]

i thought when a fighter is injured they just boot him no?

[Anthony]

Just watched ... Luke is hilarious. LOL. The fight was boring as expected, don't know why Mike choked. I think the fighter coming back is Josh.

[bill]

Having HW on the show seems to be a bad idea. Maybe tank abbott could come on and fight at least their would be something worthy of watching.

[BilltheButcher]

Having HW on the show seems to be a bad idea. Maybe tank abbott could come on and fight at least their would be something worthy of watching.

Personally I would have love to see Don Frye come in and throw a beatin' to someone.

[Holto]

I've DL'ed some nice Don Frye from old Pride. For a wrestler that guy can really throw and he's got lead in both hands.

[MixmasterNash]

Go Luke!

[RussianRocket]

Luke kicked some major ass, great knee. It was a close one untill he cough sam with and he was dazed (almost lost it). Good fight, actually great fight. I love the way luke stoped sam in mid air when he lunged at him, great stuff.

[Wannabelean]

That was the best fight I have seen on that show. Next weeks show looks good too!!

[Chubrock]

This weeks fight was really good. Luke has got some good standup, but against somebody really good on the ground I don't think he'll pull out a win. He had a tendency to put himself in some bad positions sub wise, so unless he can correct that, I see a good sub fighter beating him pretty handily on the ground. Still very impressed with his standup.


Next weeks fight should be good. The more I watch Rashad fight, the more I like him. At least he is willing to throw some, and his attitude seems pretty good. From what I've heard, Jardine is a helluva fighter, so Rashad is def. going to have his hands full.

[Holto]

The guy who look fought was raw but talented, I hope we see him again.

[Wannabelean]

How about Jason getting his noggin split again? Good Lord, they could see his skull LMAO

[-TIM-]

Yeah, that was a nasty cut on Jason's forehead. I think Joe will make short work out of Jason if the doctor clears him.

Last nights fight was great though. Luke and Sam got to it within the first 15 seconds of the 1st round. Most of the fights start with the guys dancing around each other for about a minute or two. Sam caught Luke with a good right at one point. That fight really could have gone either way. Sam almost had it at the end of the first too. Looked like Luke's left arm was about to bend the wrong way, but time ran out. I foresee Luke and Joe matching up eventually. Which Joe will win.

[Roark]

so far the spoilers i heard are playing out

good fight, although those guys were both pretty sloppy on the ground

[BilltheButcher]

this is the problem w/ the show. its the semi-finals so these guys can finally throw b/c they now have time to heal b4 the actual contract fight. b4 they had to worry about looking like Jason and possibly being dropped. Should be u fight and win, u don't fight until everyone else has, so if u get hurt u may have time to heal.

[ElPietro]

Luke is further proof that Ninjas pwn.

He got caught with a few good shots to the head though, but I think just before he got Sam in the clinch for that knee, he caught Sam with a really good hook in the middle of the ring. Sam's legs almost gave out, I think he almost went to one knee, then recovered and that's when Luke got him against the fence for the final shots.

I was worried that fight wouldn't be great, since Sam hadn't fought yet. It kinda sucks that we are almost to the finals, and guys hadn't even fought once yet.

I almost think it would be better to set up some form of round robin instead, and focus more on their training, etc, instead of these lame and pointless challenges.

It seems like the show has now settled into a very routine format.

1 hour show:
38 minutes of xience/right guard commercials
2 minutes of review from last episode
3 minutes for lame challenge
2 minutes weigh in
15 minutes or less of actual fight

If fight is less than the full 3 rounds, insert more xience/right guard commercials
For any non-commercial, non-fight time, attribute 50% of footage to in-show product promos for xience/right guard

If I hear, "Red rover, red rover, we call T.O. OVER!" one more time, I think I'm going to find out where that kid in the commercial lives and beat him to within an inch of his life.

So in summary, other than the actual fight, this show has virtually no content, and it's just horrid when you get fights like the Whitehead fight. I know there's not much they can do about the fights, but they sure can do something about the content. Even if they just had a five minute spot where one coach each week is teaching a technique, that was educational to the audience, it would be something that might give it a bit more value. But in five minutes I guess they can sell a lot of shakes and deodorant so I doubt that will ever happen.

[Anthony]

Pete, you're right. And the sad thing is, it's still better than anything else on tv.

[RussianRocket]

i like that one stupid ass commercial witht he gril, Something like this she said "these atheltes train hard and take it seriously, and so do I" Than she does some stretching showing of her body, and a short clip with her walking around with a sign. Didnt realize those signs are heavy as ****. They should sart making commerical that just say "Take xience and you'll get laid"

[MixmasterNash]

Pete, you're right. And the sad thing is, it's still better than anything else on tv.

Tivo makes it all better. On Monday night, I can watch MNF, Prison Break, TUF, the other UFC show, and the daily show ALL within a 3 hour time period and not miss a single interesting minute of any show. I love DVR.

Pete is right that there are only <15 interesting minutes during TUF, so why watch the rest?

[Anthony]

i like that one stupid ass commercial witht he gril, Something like this she said "these atheltes train hard and take it seriously, and so do I" Than she does some stretching showing of her body, and a short clip with her walking around with a sign. Didnt realize those signs are heavy as ****. They should sart making commerical that just say "Take xience and you'll get laid"

She was making a joke. Maybe you didn't hear the part where she said, "Try fitting into a pair of these." :rolleyes:

[ElPietro]

"Try fitting into a pair of these."

I did try, and it made me feel sexy. :cool:

Stop picturing it your head tony, you perv!

[RussianRocket]

are you making a joke? Actually i've never hurd her say that, which would make sense. BUt the commerical isnt funny, so i would find it odd her saying that. Next time i'll just listen to her instead of ignoring her voice and looking at her ass and tits.

[Anthony]

Pete: I don't need to imagine it, Sylvia already sent me the pics. :(

RR: lol, she definitely says it.

[RussianRocket]

We'll see next monday....we shell see.

[Atrox Mortis]

If I hear, "Red rover, red rover, we call T.O. OVER!" one more time, I think I'm going to find out where that kid in the commercial lives and beat him to within an inch of his life.

Ugh, get in line. I don't mind all the commercials, but can they please please run more than that 1 frigging right guard commercial endlessly? I've got that commercial almost memorized.

I think the funnier thing though is all the product placement on the show. I've seen a few blatantly funny examples where they go out of their way to pimp right guard and xyience. Pretty much lead-in to the fight shows at least one fighter putting on right-guard. This week's show was a perfect example of rampant xyience plugging too:

Marcus is carrying a tub of Xyience through the training area.
Rich (In Xyience tank top): You taking that can of Xyience home?
Marcus: Yeah, I could use it.
Rich: Anyone else want XYIENCE to take home?
Keith: Yeah man, I can use one. I go through a ton of that stuff.

The only thing that was missing was Chuck Liddell busting through the wall towing a humvee and carrying a heavy bag over each shoulder to give a Xyience soundbite.

I'm really looking forward to the rest of the semi-final fights. I'm abivalent about the heavyweights, but I really hope that Jason gets to fight. I think Joe will mop the octagon with him, but Jason's such a scrapper that I've gotta root for him, no matter what.


Also, who's laying in supplies for the next UFC on November 19th? I'm really pumped for that one. Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin both fighting. Awwww yeah :nod:

[Chubrock]

Have the released the rest of the card yet? I know Diego Sanchez is supposed to fight. Some fighters from another board have been speculating that Forrest Griffin may end up fighting again, but nothing solid has been said yet.

[Atrox Mortis]

Have the released the rest of the card yet? I know Diego Sanchez is supposed to fight. Some fighters from another board have been speculating that Forrest Griffin may end up fighting again, but nothing solid has been said yet.
According to the mma.tv forums, the card for UFC 56 is as follows:

Matt Hughes vs. Karo Parisyan
Rich Franklin vs. Nate Quarry
Georges St.Pierre vs. Sean Sherk
Jeremy Horn vs. Trevor Prangley
Tim Sylvia vs. Assuerio Silva
Stephan Bonnar vs. James Irvin
Sam Hoger vs. Jeff Newton
Kevin Jordan vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

That was posted 18 october or so, so it might be outdated. Now to talk my boss into throwing a UFC party on the 19th so I can watch it on his bigscreen. Nothing will top watching some patented Matt Hughes Ownage™ in 60" of flatpanel glory :D

[Anthony]

I'm pretty sure Stephan is out because of a broken hand. Not to mention that is a different card than the TUF Finale, which will feature Sanchez VS Diaz as the main event. Not sure if the other fights have been announced.

[Roark]

i am really excited for the diaz/sanchez fight

i hope diego takes

i'm not a fan of diaz at all

[g00dnick]

Tim Sylvia vs. Assuerio Silva
Stephan Bonnar vs. James Irvin


Both of these have been moved... :( Was looking like a good card...

[Holto]

I've seen a few Diaz fights during my current download frenzy. He's good. If Diego can't get him down and hold him down he's toast. Diaz also can get submissions from his back so he's really a bad matchup for Diego. Diego is a damn good wrestler though and his ability to commit when he shoots should get Diaz down, but can he keep him there.

[Miker]

Watching Diego's fight on unleashed last night as well as Diaz' fights.. I think Diego can take him. Diego took a shot right to the chin and shook it off while taking the guy down. I think if Diego can take Diaz to the mat...its over... I've never seen a guy get into the mount and stay there so consistantly.

Can anyone tell me why Nate Quarry is getting a title match... have I missed something?

As for the show last night... I'm getting sick and tired of seeing the heavyweights come in and fight for 30 secs and then waste the rest of the match. Keith had the punches but seemed afraid to step in and throw them. I can't stand Rashad but he outlasted last night. Keith could have taken him out a few times after stunning him but let off. He deserved to lose... what a boring fight.. After last week's match I thought things might step up a bit...

[Chubrock]

I'll have to disagree a little bit Miker. This was probably the best HW fight so far this season. The more I watch Rashad fight, the more I like him. He fought a very smart fight; listened to what Hughes had to say, and came away with the W. Rashad showed some good wrestling skills and seems to have a very good chin. I'll actually be surprised if he doesn't want Hughes in his corner for the final...

[Anthony]

Can anyone tell me why Nate Quarry is getting a title match... have I missed something?

Because it's a good matchup that sells tickets. Nate has been around longer than TUF1, just check out his MMA record. Not to mention Rich had 3-4 fights before he had a title shot ... and he won. Bottom line, it will be a kick ass fight. Nate is very emotional and I know he'll give 100% in this fight.

As for Sanchez VS Diaz ... another great fight. Diaz is good. His last few matches have highlighted his improved striking (knocking out loudmouth lawler), but the guy is good on the ground too. It will be interesting to see how things play out. Sanchez is a great fighter, but I find his personality a little boring. It's good to see some bad blood between them ... spices things up.

[[[[----]]]]

When does the final episode come on again?

[Anthony]

There's another episode tonight and the finale is November 5th.

[Chubrock]

Hey, Antonio. Are they going to have several fights before they do the finales on the 5th? I heard everything starts at like 9 and goes to 12 or so. I'm not gonna be able to get to the TV till' like 10 or so, so I'm hoping I don't miss the finales.

[Wannabelean]

I like Rashad, he gets better every fight. What is unleashed? Is there fighting on that I don't know about????

[ElPietro]

I don't know how someone can say last nights fight was bad. They were both out there slugging. First few seconds Rashad knocked Keith down with a headshot. Then Keith ended up taking over on standup until the ground and pound at the end of the round.

Second round Keith had Rashad out cold for a bit. I don't know how Rashad recovered, he got clocked with a very hard right that dropped him, and then right after that got a viscious knee to the head.

At the end both guys looked banged up, and although Rashad was the clear winner, it wasn't from not taking any damage. Was a good fight with both standup and ground elements.

[Roark]

good episode

looking forward to sat night

[Anthony]

Hey, Antonio. Are they going to have several fights before they do the finales on the 5th? I heard everything starts at like 9 and goes to 12 or so. I'm not gonna be able to get to the TV till' like 10 or so, so I'm hoping I don't miss the finales.

I'm not sure bro. Just record it. :p

[ElPietro]

Anthony is correct, there are two fights tonight.

I think Brad vs Seth could be a good one.

I'm wondering if Jason will get to fight with that gash in his head. I doubt the result would be any different if Kilt boy fought Joe again, not that Jason could take him either.

[Anthony]

I like Rashad, he gets better every fight. What is unleashed? Is there fighting on that I don't know about????

Unleashed highlights old fights, etc.

[-TIM-]

As for the show last night... I'm getting sick and tired of seeing the heavyweights come in and fight for 30 secs and then waste the rest of the match.What were you watching? They both came out swinging and each guy knocked the other one silly for a few seconds. Both guys had swollen faces after the 1st round, that doesn't happen by standing around. I think this was the best HW fight yet. Much better than all the others, IMO.

On a different note, Rashad really impressed me this fight. I kind of felt like he won his other two fights due to his opponents being soft, and he came away like he did something special. But this fight showed that he has a little fight in him. Keith came to fight, and Rashad stepped up.

I think the fights in the finals are going to be very good. I expect to see Joe and Luke, which should be a great fight. I can't remember the names of the two guys fighting the HW semi-final, but I think the smaller of those two fighters will win. I think Brad is the big guy, but he's going to fall.

[-TIM-]

Wow, Seth's ear looked like **** after that fight. I'm kind of surprised that Brad won. I think he might have a shot at beating Rashad now. Luke and Joe will have a good fight, but I think it's a toss up.

[ElPietro]

That ear was disgusting, I felt physically sick when they zoomed in on it.

Good fights though, although, Seth fought an extremely stupid fight after round one. I don't understand why you would change strategy after dominating the first round.

Thinking about it more, it's absolutely boneheaded what Seth did. Why the hell would you constantly attack a guys leg, and then not let him up, and on top of that, try to get INTO his guard.

[Geeper]

Seth said this morning that he underestimated Brad and thought he was gonna be a shoe in and that was his huge mistake, he feels really bad about his performance and says it just wasn't him in the ring, he wasn't giving Brad any credit before the fight.

Rashad always fights and does what he has to to win, I think he'll take Brad. His wrestling is so good, he has no career losses and he proved with Keith that he can get rocked and still stay standing... A lot of people crap on Rashad, but he's fighting with no audience and 3 times in under 40 days or so.. he's playing it safe and doing only what he has to to win. Is it boring against Mike? Yup. But that's all he had to do to win and not get injured or burnout. When someone like keith brings it, rashad steps it up to the level needed to win. In the big area with an audience I think he'll shine even more

I think the WW fight might be the most interesting finally... I'm pulling for Luke because honestly I don't think Joe has really gone against anyone 1/2 as good as he is yet. (and Dana had planned a Joe vs Sammy finally and Luke put an end to Sammy) Luke can stike from the bottom as well with those elbows and has a lot of power. I think the match will be Joe on top trying to submit and Luke picking away at him from the bottom...

BTW- Seth is not fighting in the finals (almost everyone else has a match) and is actually going to be cornering for Brad. He's in talks with a few big pro wrestling associations as well as Dana, which might be why he's not fighting in the finals at all

[ElPietro]

The only aspect of Luke's game that has me not completely writing him off, is his takedown defense.

I'm not sure the past two guys could take a punch like Joe can, and Joe isn't even going to bother trying to stand with Luke, so I think the fight will be decided based on how easily Joe can take Luke down. Luke I believe did get out of a rear naked I believe in his first fight though. I don't think he could if Joe had it on him though.

I just think this is a simple case of Joe being in a different league than anyone else on the show at his weight class.

Heck, if I was forced to wager, I'd probably take Joe over some of the heavyweights that were there.

[Chubrock]

I agree Pete. Joe is just too good compared to the other welterweights. He has a prior striking background, so it isn't as though he only knows subs. He appears to have a pretty good chin, and he is a beast on the ground. His GnP is going to be way to much for Jedi to handle. He is smooth, strong as an ox, and his build actually caters much more to controlling the ground game than anybody else Luke has fought. Because he has such broad shoulders and a thick chest, Joe can use his upperbody strength/weight to pin Lukes hips or chest and wail away. That said, I don't see Joe winning by KO or TKO. I think he'll submit Luke, much like he submitted JVF. Joe is such an incredibly smart fighter, that he can recognize and instantly flow from one situation right into a sub. For example, his transition from the RNC to straight armbar last night. It was just so smooth and effortless. Jedi Master hasn't fought anybody that fights with such ice in his veins. While I think Luke is a great fighter, and personally 2nd best in the WW, I see Joe mowing him down much like the JVF fight.

[MixmasterNash]

I just think this is a simple case of Joe being in a different league than anyone else on the show at his weight class.

Heck, if I was forced to wager, I'd probably take Joe over some of the heavyweights that were there.

Joe is a bulldog, but that's also his major disadvantage against Luke... at 5'7" or whatever, he is very susceptible to Luke's knees. Joe himself said he won't standup at all against Luke (hell, it would probably be better if he just laid down and let Luke get a mount), but if luke stops a takedown, even briefly, then Joe is at risk.

[ElPietro]

Yeah, that's sort of what I meant, Luke will have a very short window of opportunity. When Joe shoots in, Luke will have to stun him at that point, or the fight is pretty much going to be dictated by Joe.

If Luke does stun Joe, then Joe might be more reluctant to shoot as much, or it could just lead to a TKO. But I think that's the only way Luke can win this fight. Luke isn't strong enough to control Joe in a clinch, or against the fence. Joe is stronger and better conditioned than any other fighter there. This was displayed when he had to circle whitehead all those times on that challenge. 200 times is absolutely rediculous, and I bet if he had to he woulda kept going on. I thought it was a joke when he hit 100 and looked like he was dying and joked about 200, but then he did it.

[Miker]

Because it's a good matchup that sells tickets. Nate has been around longer than TUF1, just check out his MMA record. Not to mention Rich had 3-4 fights before he had a title shot ... and he won. Bottom line, it will be a kick ass fight. Nate is very emotional and I know he'll give 100% in this fight.

There ya go.. I have missed something. I admit to not following this that closely anymore.. I was a little surprised that a guy who did nothing but got hurt in UF1 gets a title match so quickly.. but apparently he's been around.. thanks.

[Miker]

What were you watching? They both came out swinging and each guy knocked the other one silly for a few seconds. Both guys had swollen faces after the 1st round, that doesn't happen by standing around. I think this was the best HW fight yet. Much better than all the others, IMO.

I agree.. there were some good parts.. in the first round.. but I honestly was bored the rest of the match. I though Keith blew his load early, Rashad did what he had to win.. and thus.. I felt bored. Rashad is obviously improving rapidly and deserves more respect that I had been giving him.. but for my money.. he fights a boring fight. I would rather see the fight from last week where they went all out.. than a HW fight where there are a flurry of good moments in the first round and the next two are sleepers in comparison.. IMO.

[Anthony]

There ya go.. I have missed something. I admit to not following this that closely anymore.. I was a little surprised that a guy who did nothing but got hurt in UF1 gets a title match so quickly.. but apparently he's been around.. thanks.

The dude is an animal. His serene demeanor goes to hell in a handbasket when he steps in the ring. I hope Rich wins, but I would definitely not be surprised if Nate pulls it off.

[Miker]

I don't know if anyone else is watching the finale right now.. hell.. I don't know if I'm watching it live.. but either way.. the first couple fights have been freaking awesome.
The luke vs joe fight was incredible.. Luke's ability to remain calm during the whole thing was inspirational. I'd have panicked if I was on the ground that much with a brute like joe s ontop... wow.

Great show.. can't wait for the rest.

[bill]

Check out the gyno on Rashad lol. Good show so far, I hope diego gets Tko'd. lol Some people you just don't like. Especially w/ the new hair.

[-TIM-]

I really thought Luke could have won that fight. I think it was a tie going into the 3rd round, and I thought he pulled it out. What the hell was Joe doing giving him high fives during rounds?

Brad and Rashad had a great fight too. Brad has a motor on him that didn't know how to quit. I really like Rashad after his last two fights. He should do well if he drops to the 205 weight class.

Both fights seemed like they could have gone either way, definitely a good ending to the season.

[bill]

Diego proved to be better than I thought.

[-TIM-]

Diaz is a cocky bastard who deserved to get beat.

[MixmasterNash]

Diaz is a cocky bastard who deserved to get beat.

He got handed a beating that he deserved.


Man, what great fights tonight. Even the losers did well. Brad took a lot of really hard shots and kept going. Luke had amazing toughness.

I watched in a bar, and a very hot girl who looked a bit like Claire Danes talked to me a bit about the fights and how she was a fan. Hint to UFC fans: DO NOT TELL GIRLFRIEND IT WOULD BE COOL IF SHE LOOKED LIKE CLAIRE DANES AND APPRECIATED MMA.

[Miker]

Brad and Rashad had a great fight too. Brad has a motor on him that didn't know how to quit. I really like Rashad after his last two fights. He should do well if he drops to the 205 weight class.
You got that right brother.. wow.. what a battle.. they both were taking bombs.. and coming back for more..

[Miker]

I have always like Diego. aside from his voodoo religious bent.. but man.. I think Diaz underestimated him and then had no idea what to do when Diego's speed had him down.

By far one of the best fights I have ever seen.. great defense, great consistent offense.

Brad/Rashad, joe/luke.. and kenny florian.. what a great fight night.. One of the best set of fights on a card I have seen in many years. Rashad certainly proved me very wrong. He deserved to be in the final and win. wow.

[Roark]

i concur

great night of fights all around

i was happy with all the outcomes

the diaz-sanchez was great, loved the ground war

[cphafner]

I came away very impressed with all the fighters last night. I didn't think Rashard won that fight, but it was a close decision so I could understand it going either way. Rashard should drop down to 205, but I don't think his speed will be better than the other fighters in that weight class, he is a "tweener".

Florian surprised me, I thought he was going to get knocked out.

Luke, representing LI, more than held his own. SOmething seemed off with Joe. At first I thought he didn't want to hurt Luke, maybe it was his injury. I think Joe will have a future in UFC. Joe and Diego would make a great fight.

I don't like Diego, but he has skills. He is a super strong welterweight. As long as he can avoid standing toe-to-toe and get his ground and pound done, he is going to win a lot of fights. He seems like a smaller Ortiz.

[RussianRocket]

i think luke should have won, i'm surprised no judge went for luke; I was disapointed. I think luke could be a great anorthodox fiighter.

[Brawl]

Great fights , Rashad won because he had two knockdowns from punches whereas Brad didnt . Brad is gonna be good , sh*t , he only trained a little over a year in MMA .

I cant stand Diego even though I think he's good . I was hoping Diaz would hurt him . I like Diaz , he needs a rematch with that idiot Sanchez .

[Anthony]

Really great fights last night.

I liked how Kenny held the choke just a second longer than he should have. He really needs to be aggressive and show people he's not ****ing around if he wants to gain respect. I think too many people view him as a passive fighter. Last night is a step in the right direction.

Joe cracks me up. You could tell he was having fun and wasn't overly concerned about the fight. But Luke brought his A game and caught Joe off gaurd. I think both fighters will have a future in the UFC.

Brad and Rashad was a war. You can tell Brad knows how to push himself ... by the end of the fight he was running on fumes and still wouldn't quit. Not to mention the great recoveries after getting knocked down twice. I was very surprised the ref didn't stop the fight.

Sanchez vs Diaz ... wow ... bad blood between those two! I think Diaz is being a sook, but Sanchez kinda bores me with his overly serious attitude. Don't take yourself so seriously bro, you'll lose eventually. Either way, the drama made for an awesome fight. I loved how Diaz stepped to Sanchez and Big John pushed him back ... lol. Then Diaz got his ass handed to him ... hahahaha. It must be awfully humbling when you talk that much smack and then lose. Rematch will kick ass.

[D Breyer]

brad is a beeeaasst ... 6'7, 260? its amazing rashad could handle him.

[RussianRocket]

once brad gets some experience he'll be a true beast, but i'm still questionning his chin, he was much havier than rashad and still got rocked.

[DokterVet]

He got handed a beating that he deserved.


Man, what great fights tonight. Even the losers did well. Brad took a lot of really hard shots and kept going. Luke had amazing toughness.

I watched in a bar, and a very hot girl who looked a bit like Claire Danes talked to me a bit about the fights and how she was a fan. Hint to UFC fans: DO NOT TELL GIRLFRIEND IT WOULD BE COOL IF SHE LOOKED LIKE CLAIRE DANES AND APPRECIATED MMA.

Heh, my girlfriend watched the whole thing with me and some of the UF marathon before the final.AND the leafs game. She's not a fan though.

[cphafner]

once brad gets some experience he'll be a true beast, but i'm still questionning his chin, he was much havier than rashad and still got rocked.

Question his chin? He took about 30 punches in the face, he's got a hell of a chin. Even when he got knocked down those 2 times, he still got in the guard and wound up reversing position on Rashard. Give Brad a year of training in Iowa and he will be a beast. His jab is great. His clinching was great. If one of those knees got through the fight was over.

The funny thing with Brad was you could see the O-lineman in him. He would charge Rashard and push him like he was a d-end going for the QB.

[RussianRocket]

rashad didn't throw hard punches in the end, and still knocked brad down thats why i question his chin. The ability to get up is just his heart, not his chin.

[cphafner]

rashad didn't throw hard punches in the end, and still knocked brad down thats why i question his chin. The ability to get up is just his heart, not his chin.

They hit a tired person cleanly, I'm sure they would have knocked you/most people down. Brad showed a good chin imo. Rashard showed throughout the show he has some good punches, and Brad took them.

[RussianRocket]

maybe i question his chin because of his size, and i expect him to basically stand up and take bats to the face. Kinda like powerlifting, the more you weight the more weight you can push.

[Anthony]

The funny thing with Brad was you could see the O-lineman in him. He would charge Rashard and push him like he was a d-end going for the QB.

LOL, I said the same thing last night. Instincts kick in when you're that tired!

[BilltheButcher]

Finally, very good fights.

Kenny Florian v. Kit Cope -- I sure wish Kenny would hit the weights, he looks like some dude off the street. But can kick some ass. Anyone ever see the MTV true life with Kit Cope? Kit definetly needs some more years of experience on the ground, Kenny was smart not to stand with him. However, if Kenny hit the weights he would have ended that fight in about a minute.

Diego v. Diaz -- I like Diaz, anyone see him knock out Lawler? I think he is a good fighter and I thought he would beat Diego pretty easily. Man was I wrong. Diego definetly impressed me, it makes me think that Nate may have a chance against Rich. Diaz didn't win to many fans with his comments at the end to Joe Rogen.

Rashad v. Brad -- good fight, but conditioning. Could you imagine Brad fighting Arlovsky? But I think in a few years he will be a good HW, but athletic 230 guys like Rashad will always beat him b/c they'll be to quick. It was interesting to see Whitehead in his corner.

Luke v. Joe -- I would love to see Luke fight Kit Cope. Great fight though.

[Holto]

Having seen Kenny's dad (Judo Ka) and his brother who also does BJJ, Kenny is a beast. It's a scary thought but I think he does lift. He clearly need to lift more/better/heavier though.

[cphafner]

Rashad v. Brad -- good fight, but conditioning. Could you imagine Brad fighting Arlovsky? But I think in a few years he will be a good HW, but athletic 230 guys like Rashad will always beat him b/c they'll be to quick. It was interesting to see Whitehead in his corner.


I don't think Brad was that much slower than Rashard. I think his main problem was that his punches were easily timeable. He needs to vary his punches/angles/combos. His jab was driving Rashard nuts at the start, then Rashard started to time it. When that happened Brad needs to switch it up, maybe lead with a leg kick then jab. I'm no fighter, but that was my take. I think Brad is plenty athletic. I think he is more athletic than Sylvia.

[Anthony]

Brad's mom died yesterday, the day after his fight. :(

http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=1837

[Miker]

Brad's mom died yesterday, the day after his fight. :(

http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=1837

Oh man... how horrible.

[ElPietro]

Well, that card certainly justified being subjected to countless xience and right guard commercials for the past few months.

There wasn't one fighter that really didn't push himself to the limit. Well, other than maybe Cope, but he battled it out as well, enduring that arm bar as long as he could. Can't really do much as a stand up fighter with one gimp arm, so it was only a matter of time when the 2nd round started.

I don't know how you can question Brad's chin, those punches would have ended the fight against most guys, and twice Rashad should have finished him, but Brad somehow managed to tangle Rashad up enough to recover. 3rd round both were obviously gassed so not much more was going to happen anyway. Most heavyweights will be that way at the end of a third round.

Now I'd like to see these guys against some experienced UFC guys to actually gauge their talent. I think Rashad dropping a weight class could be very good. Brad with time could also be a great heavyweight.

[BilltheButcher]

I don't think Brad was that much slower than Rashard. I think his main problem was that his punches were easily timeable. He needs to vary his punches/angles/combos. His jab was driving Rashard nuts at the start, then Rashard started to time it. When that happened Brad needs to switch it up, maybe lead with a leg kick then jab. I'm no fighter, but that was my take. I think Brad is plenty athletic. I think he is more athletic than Sylvia.

Oh, I think Brad will be a good HW, but being 6'7" like you said, you can see those punches coming from a mile away. Also big guys like that are not as agile (sp?) as guys like Rashad, even look at Silvia, who is kind of plodding.

Terrible his mom past away, talk about highs and lows.

[Majestic]

I think Rashad dropping a weight class could be very good. Brad with time could also be a great heavyweight.

I agree with both of those sentiments.

[MixmasterNash]

I agree with both of those sentiments.
What they really need is to split up the heavyweight class into 205-230 and 230+. Maybe there aren't enough superheavies but 205 is very small compared to many of them.

[Meat_Head]

What they really need is to split up the heavyweight class into 205-230 and 230+. Maybe there aren't enough superheavies but 205 is very small compared to many of them.

Seriously! How can you expect a 205 pounder to have a chance against some 260lb goon?

[ElPietro]

I don't know, maybe you should ask Rashad that question.

[Meat_Head]

I don't know, maybe you should ask Rashad that question.

While Brad didn't have a GREAT fight(mainly due to his lack of conditioning), Rashad is still very lucky. He showed that he has a great chin, but he would not last many more fights against opponents that much bigger than him, he barely won that one. Plus, he said himself he plans to move to under 205lbs because the competition in the heavyweight division is too dangerous over time.

[Anthony]

Interesting interview with Matt Hughes about TUF2 ... http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=1057&zoneid=13

[RussianRocket]

Seriously! How can you expect a 205 pounder to have a chance against some 260lb goon?

i'm gonna have to say skill.

[MixmasterNash]

i'm gonna have to say skill.

I'm gonna say that very few true heavyweights are well conditioned.

[Holto]

Light Heavy = 205
Heavy = 225+

They need a super heavy = 240+

[cphafner]

i'm gonna have to say skill.

Ask Joyce Gracie, he used to be big mofo's at only 160.

[RussianRocket]

Ask Joyce Gracie, he used to be big mofo's at only 160.

got his number?

[BilltheButcher]

got his number?

Tel: 310-782-1309 ext. 0

Tell him the Butcher sent you. He'll know who it is.

[cphafner]

got his number?

You know what I meant. Go check out the early UFC's (I've been watching since day 1). Gracie was able to beat anyone. The 1st time he ran into problems was with Kimo, but even though he took a pounding, he steal beat Kimo. Since then the fight game has evolved and even the big guys have great submission/submission defense, but better techinque will still come out on top most of the time.

[RussianRocket]

Tel: 310-782-1309 ext. 0

Tell him the Butcher sent you. He'll know who it is.

LIAR!!! i got a german hooker wth a wooden leg.

[BilltheButcher]

LIAR!!! i got a german hooker wth a wooden leg.

Ya, but once she passes your guard and mounts you. Its all over.

[Buff]

Technique beats all. Rashad has technique but is severly lacking in endurance. At the end of the fight he got so lucky that Brad can't hit the side of a barn, cause his hands were no where near his chin blocking. Brad has endurance but man, he just doesn't have enough training to be effective with someone that's been fighting as long has Rashad.

Diego is annoying. Everything he says sounds so pathetic, and he in no way controlled the fight. Diego had a very hard time dealing with Diaz on the ground, and had zero answers to Diaz's submission attempts. I guess that jumping into a persons guard and slamming your hands down on there chest like a freaked out monkey is impressive to the judges.

Kit Cope, has lethal stand up and I could see his killer aura while standing at the beginning of the fight but when they went to the ground his probably one or two weeks training jiu jitsu just didn't cut it.

That dude that fought Joe Stephenson was a badass...

[Chubrock]

I disagree Buff. Diego dominated that fight. Diaz submission attempts didn't come close. Diego had the closest submission attempt, armbar if I'm not mistaken. Diaz had no answer for pretty much anything Diego threw at him. Only thing Diaz had going for him was that he knew how to work his guard, though it didn't stop him from getting the **** knocked out of him.

[g00dnick]

Diego did NOT dominate him...

[MixmasterNash]

Diego did NOT dominate him...
He absolutely did dominate him. He has almost all of the take downs and had controlling position most of the fight. Now, he wasn't able to finish Diaz, but he wasn't in any real danger during the fight.

As much as the jiujitsu guys might like to think otherwise, being on your back the entire fight and taking punches is getting dominated, unless you can submit your opponent.

[g00dnick]

Now, he wasn't able to finish Diaz, but he wasn't in any real danger during the fight.

Neither was Diaz...save the armbar..yes...he did control the fight...he was way too strong for Diaz...i believe the decision was closer than 30-27 however..and wouldn't consider it being dominated..

[MixmasterNash]

Neither was Diaz...save the armbar..yes...he did control the fight...he was way too strong for Diaz...i believe the decision was closer than 30-27 however..and wouldn't consider it being dominated..

Well, any more dominating and it would have been stopped. I think it's about as overwhelming a fight as you can have go all the way. I just watched it again and the ref was close to stopping it at one or two points, after some barrages by Diego.

[g00dnick]

****...it should have been stopped to check Diego's cut...

[g00dnick]

I'ma watch it again when i get home...i'm just going off of what i remember...it was a good fight...Diego did very well against him...

[BilltheButcher]

Well, any more dominating and it would have been stopped. I think it's about as overwhelming a fight as you can have go all the way. I just watched it again and the ref was close to stopping it at one or two points, after some barrages by Diego.

Totally agree. I think Diego dominated the fight. I like Diaz a lot and I hope this develops into a good rivalry.

What about tomorrow night. My predictions. I can not wait for the St. Pierre vs. Sherk fight. Huge GSP fan.

Ace Franklin over Quarry
Hughes over Riggs
GSP over Sherk

[g00dnick]

I can not wait for the St. Pierre vs. Sherk fight. Huge GSP fan.

Damn...i can't ****ing wait...

[g00dnick]

damn...riggs weighted in 2 pounds over...so his match with matt will be a non-title match...and he'll been fined 10%