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ShadyRensch
10-04-2005, 08:37 PM
Thanks for those who have been helping me so far, but I come bearing more questions.

I've been doing a new diet for the past 2 weeks using Fitday.com. I'm weighing about 190 pounds right now at 6'0". I'm 19 years old and in college. I buy all my food cuz I'm scared of eating in the caf and miscalculating foods.

I'm extremely demanding of my appearance nowadays, I've lost about 100 pounds dating back to my senior year in high school (same story repeated, sorry). I have a few areas that I'm trying to clean up (chest, love handles, stomach). They're a little saggy in a couple spots due to being quite large before.

Now I've been eating around 1400-2000 calories daily for the last two weeks, actually only reaching 2000 once. I make sure to eat at least 40 g fat/day, and 150 g/protein a day. Except for fri/sat/sun I wing it because of some recent dates, going out, etc.

I typically find myself eating about 1500, 1600 calories, and I know this is probably too low, but I am full at the end of the day. I've read eating like this will have a yo yo effect on my weight, and might drive me crazy by the fluctuations. Which is true already because I was 193 on Friday, but the scale said 200 on Monday. ( I sure hope that's from the weekend at Johnny Rockets/Cold Stone ice cream/ and cafeteria food.

Basically in summary, I'm cutting, I have a new diet/workout, and want to lose fat. I'm not really sure how many calories to consume...

Unreal
10-04-2005, 08:48 PM
I find going too low just forces me to cheat more often. Try to get your calories/fat up to a better level. Starving yourself will not get you the results you want. Plus, what is your workout routine like?

Jorge Sanchez
10-04-2005, 08:50 PM
I can't tell you how many calories to consume. But I can tell you that's way too little.

Weighing 10lbs more than you, I can cut on twice the amount of calories you are eating.

ShadyRensch
10-04-2005, 08:52 PM
But I think I cheat enough on the weekends. I mean, I usually drink 1 night a weekend. And I usually don't really count on Saturday/Sunday. I just try to eat well. So I try to make up for it during the week. I know drinking isn't smart but I'm in college, come on.

Here's my workout though.
Mon-Wed-Fri
Bench
Decline Bench
Incline Dumbells
Barbell Curls
Dumbell Seated Curls
Lat Pulldown
Shrug
Flyes
Custom Shoulder Workout
Abs

Tuesday-Thursday
Squat
Leg Curl
Leg Extension
Lunges
Calf Press
Seated Rows
Dips
Rope Pushdowns
Tricep Reverse Curls

Cardio
4-5 Times a Week
15 Min. Treadmill
15 Min. Stair Climber/Bike

Unreal
10-04-2005, 09:19 PM
Cheating then starving yourself isn't good IMO. Your routine also needs work. Do WBB1, add some cardio on off days, and get your diet straightened out.

ReelBigFish
10-04-2005, 09:49 PM
You're eating too low for your weight. I know everyones metabolism are diff. but there is no way that eating 1400 1500 most days, is a good idea. I would say you need to be hitting 2000 everyday and then monitor your weight loss. You may lose weight fast w/ 1500 cals but the loss will come to a stop and you'll most likely start burning muslce. This is from someone who has mucho experience w/ all of this. you need to bump of the cals and shoot for a 1 -1.5 lb loss a week. Losing weight and gaining weight fast are both stupid ideas. you'll see a large drop at frist, that's normal because the body holds water from carbs and other things and when you lower carbs, cals, your body is going to release some of this water. once that stabalizes shoot for the 1 to 1.5 lb weight loss and get your bf% checked periodically to make sure you are losing fat and not muslce.

ShadyRensch
10-04-2005, 10:19 PM
So I'll shoot for 1800-2000 cals...then see where I'm at in a couple weeks. My workout is bad? Well, what would you change on it? I checked out the WBB #1 and I didn't think it had enough lifts.

Cheating then starving yourself isn't good IMO

But remember, I'm not hungry at the end of the day. I'm NOT starving. But I am going to eat at least 1800 now, hopefully close to 2000. I realize 1400-1500 isn't enough.

Unreal
10-04-2005, 10:54 PM
Not enough lifts? Have you done it? It will work you good. If your squatting heavy there is no way you should be able to squat 2 days later. I can barely walk 2 days later let alone squat again. Lift heavy. If you don't think its enough of a workout, then you aren't lifting heavy enough.

You need more protein, and more fat.

If your saggy, then you need to fill that skin with muscle, not lose more weight IMO. I went from over 300lbs to 200, and now I'm gaining weight again. I don't have loose skin, love handles, or any other fat people problems that alot of other people I know have. They all lost less weight, and look like crap because they are saggy sacks of skin.

Built
10-04-2005, 10:57 PM
More protein (at least 200g, I'd say) and more fat (at least 90-100g).

Don't go too low in the cals. You're cutting on lower cals than a middle-aged chick, and I should know.

ShadyRensch
10-04-2005, 11:29 PM
Haha, ok. Seriously, like 100 g fat, and 200 protein?? This will make me look slimmer? By the way, what happened to the new avy?

Alright, I'll switch to the WBB #1. If I feel ok, can I do more lifts?

Built
10-05-2005, 12:49 AM
'Tar had to come down.

Yes, you need more fat and more protein.

Today, my diet, from fitday:
source grams cals %total
Total: 1875
Fat: 62 556 31%
Sat: 17 153 9%
Poly: 10 92 5%
Mono: 16 142 8%
Carbs: 175 572 32%
Fiber: 32 0 0%
Protein: 167 668 37%

Day before:
source grams cals %total
Total: 2003
Fat: 75 678 35%
Sat: 22 202 11%
Poly: 11 100 5%
Mono: 22 196 10%
Carbs: 163 533 28%
Fiber: 30 0 0%
Protein: 179 715 37%


I weigh 132 lbs as of yesterday morning, and have 115 lbs LBM, roughly. These cals are to slowly cut, and represent two higher-cal, higher carb days because they were lifting days.

Note how high my fats are. Over 0.5g/lb LBM for both days.

tigo
10-05-2005, 01:51 AM
im about the same as you man
6'1 210ish lb

im cutting at ~1900-2000 calories a day and and on days taht i lift (or when i can get back to lifting) i shoot for 2200-2300 .. 1400... crazy what kind of stuff are you eating that makes you full? unless your stomach shrank.. have you noticed decreased energy levels?

Unreal
10-05-2005, 08:22 AM
Alright, I'll switch to the WBB #1. If I feel ok, can I do more lifts?

If you can do more lifts, it means you did't use enough weight. So I would say no, up the weight, not the number of lifts.

I've been cutting at 2300-2400, then up the cals to more maintence level on weekends. Around 3000 cals on the weekend. I notice after 4-5 days at <2500 I feel completely deleted and can barely move let alone work out, so I up the carbs/cals on those days.

ShadyRensch
10-05-2005, 08:51 AM
Um, I eat tuna/turkey/ham sandwiches, (no not together haha). Chicken breasts, Hi Lo cereals (12 g protein per 1/2 c). Lean Pocket Ultras.... I just eat whatever I have to feel satisfied, and I usually end up between 1500-2000 cals. But yes, I will work on getting around 2000, and I will try and get my fats/protein up.

Unreal
10-05-2005, 08:52 AM
Are you measuring or weighing portions? If not I bet your calorie calculations are way off.

Y0yo
10-05-2005, 09:10 AM
Um, I eat tuna/turkey/ham sandwiches, (no not together haha). Chicken breasts, Hi Lo cereals (12 g protein per 1/2 c). Lean Pocket Ultras.... I just eat whatever I have to feel satisfied, and I usually end up between 1500-2000 cals. But yes, I will work on getting around 2000, and I will try and get my fats/protein up.

www.fitday.com
www.calorieking.com

Monitor your macros and see where you're really at. Measure...

ReelBigFish
10-05-2005, 09:49 AM
feeling full has no direct relation to wheter you are starving yourself. You can feel full by the end of the day and still not getting enough cals.

ShadyRensch
10-05-2005, 10:19 AM
Nooo...I've been using fitday for the last 2 weeks. Measuring every tablespoon, cup, oz. of everything I eat, trust me. I'm EXTREMELY anal about making sure every calculation is right.

So if I feel full, I should still eat more??? Makes no sense to me.

Y0yo
10-05-2005, 11:35 AM
It all comes down to this. If you aren't gaining you aren't lifting enough or you aren't eating enough...or both. Trying lifting harder. If that doesn't work, trying lifting harder and eating MORE. Eating a surplus of calories is what's going to help you build muscle. It doesn't matter if you are hungry or not. Some people eat to the point they get sick, that's why they break their meals up into 6 meals a day...

Edit- Just saw that you were cutting. Well, if you are cutting at 2000 calories, and at the end of the day you've only eating 1800 calories, have a tablespoon or 2 of natty peanut butter. That'll put right where you want to be, and even if you're full it should take much out of you to swallow that.

Built
10-05-2005, 11:54 AM
<cries at the thought of feeling full on 1800 cals...>

ShadyRensch
10-05-2005, 12:29 PM
Haha, somedays I do somedays I don't. But I'm going to give this a shot at or around 2000 cals. And also trying WBB #1 even though 4 lifts on Thursday seems like hardly enough. But I'll give it a try.