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ClubberLang
10-06-2005, 03:41 PM
So I'm doing this research paper on Affirmative Action and I'll admit off the bat that I'm not exactly neutral. I think it's a bad public policy. That was untill I researched the issue of discriminatory hiring further. This Univeristy of Chicago study is very compelling. It shows how simply having a name that "sounds" Black significantly reduces someone's chances of being hired.

http://www.irs.princeton.edu/krueger/names2.htm

Economic Scene; Sticks and stones can break bones, but the wrong name can make a job hard to find.

By Alan B. Krueger; Alan B. Krueger is the Bendheim professor of economics and public affairs at Princeton University and editor of The Journal of Economic Perspectives.? E-mail: akrueger@princeton.edu.


WHAT'S in a name? Evidently plenty if you are looking for a job.



To test whether employers discriminate against black job applicants, Marianne Bertrand of the University of Chicago and Sendhil Mullainathan of M.I.T. conducted an unusual experiment. They selected 1,300 help-wanted ads from newspapers in Boston and Chicago and submitted multiple resumes from? phantom job seekers. The researchers randomly assigned the first names on the resumes, choosing from one set that is particularly common among blacks and from another that is common among whites.



So Kristen and Tamika, and Brad and Tyrone, applied for jobs from the same pool of want ads and had? equivalent resumes. Nine names were selected to represent each category: black women, white women, black men and white men. Last names common to the racial group were also assigned. Four resumes were typically submitted for each job opening, drawn from a reservoir of 160. Nearly 5,000 applications were submitted from mid-2001 to mid-2002. Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan kept track of which candidates were invited for job interviews.



No single employer was sent two identical resumes, and the names on the resumes were randomly assigned, so applicants with black- and white-sounding names applied for the same set of jobs with the same set of resumes.



Apart from their names, applicants had the same experience, education and skills, so employers had no reason to distinguish among them.



The results are disturbing. Applicants with white-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to be called for interviews than were those with black-sounding names. Interviews were requested for 10.1 percent of applicants with white-sounding names and only 6.7 percent of those with black-sounding names.


Within racial groups, applications with men's or women's names were equally likely to result in calls for interviews, providing little evidence of discrimination based on sex in these entry-level jobs.



There were significant differences in interview-request rates among the nine names associated with black women, but not among the names within each of the other groups.



At the low end, the interview-request rate was 2.2 percent for Aisha, 3.8 percent for Keisha and 5.4 percent for Tamika, compared with 9.1 percent for Kenya and Latonya and 10.5 percent for Ebony.



Only part of this variability reflects chance differences resulting from sampling, although the authors have not been able to find a good explanation for the wide range. Thus it is important that the names chosen for black women were not uncommon; they represent 7.1 percent of all names listed on Massachusetts birth certificates for black girls from 1974 to 1979.



The 50 percent advantage in interview requests for white-sounding names held in both Boston and Chicago, and for both men and women.



This discrepancy complements findings from earlier studies in which researchers sent a small number of matched black and white "auditors" to apply for jobs in person. Typically, though not always, the black job seekers were less likely to be invited for an interview or offered a job.



Those findings, however, were criticized because the applicants knew the intention of the study and might have behaved differently. In addition, the auditors might not have been well matched with the jobs in question; they could have been overqualified or underqualified.



Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan's study is less susceptible to these concerns. First, they used a large number of names and inanimate resumes. Second, the job openings involved administrative, sales, clerical and managerial positions, and they submitted resumes patterned after real resumes of people who were actually seeking similar jobs.



Their most alarming finding is that the likelihood of being called for an interview rises sharply with an applicant's credentials -- like experience and honors -- for those with white-sounding names, but much less for those with black-sounding names. A grave concern is that this phenomenon may be damping the? incentives for blacks to acquire job skills, producing a self-fulfilling prophecy that perpetuates prejudice and misallocates resources.



Two main theories explain labor market discrimination. One, known as taste-based discrimination, posits that employers -- or customers, co-workers or supervisors -- have a preference against hiring minority applicants, even if they know they are equally productive.



The other, known as statistical discrimination, assumes that employers personally harbor no racial animus but cannot perfectly predict workers' productivity.? In this case, an employer assessing an applicant would assign some weight to the average performance of the person's racial group, instead of basing the judgment solely on the individual's merits.



A difference between these models is that employers sacrifice profits to indulge in taste-based discrimination, while, in principle, statistical discrimination, if based on accurate information, can help the bottom line. Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan cannot distinguish between the models -- and both may be applicable -- but they suspect that their finding that employers in heavily black areas of Chicago are less likely to discriminate against black-sounding names augurs for taste-based discrimination.



Nevertheless, either rationale for discrimination is illegal and prohibited.



"That which we call a rose," Juliet said, "by any other name would smell as sweet."? An organization like the Civil Rights Commission or the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission could perform a service if it routinely monitored discrimination by conducting audit studies similar to Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan's.



GRAPHIC: Chart: "Everything's in a Name"

A recent study found that job applicants with common black names on their resumes were less likely to be called for an interview than applicants with common white names and the same qualifications.

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Percentage receiving interview requests

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COMMON WHITE NAMES

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?Kristen: 13.6%

?Carrie: 13.1

?Laurie: 10.8

?Meredith: 10.6

?Sarah: 9.8

?Allison: 9.4

?Jill: 9.3

?Anne: 9.0

?Emily: 8.3

?Average: 10.3

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COMMON BLACK NAMES

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?Ebony: 10.5%

?Latonya: 9.1

?Kenya: 9.1

?Latoya: 8.8

?Tanisha: 6.3

?Lakisha: 5.5

?Tamika: 5.4

?Keisha: 3.8

?Aisha: 2.2

?Average: 6.9

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?Based on 3,761 job applications

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?(Source: "Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination")??????

SobaAddict70
10-06-2005, 03:53 PM
And your thesis is what, exactly?

Paul Stagg
10-06-2005, 03:59 PM
That's my question - do you take a position in the paper (an essay?), or are ou simply reporting information? It might be an interesting assignment to look at the referenced study and pick it apart, too.

For example, it may not be that the name sounds black, it may be that it sounds like someone who might generally not be someone you want representing your company, much like 'Billy Bob' or 'Rufus'.

BilltheButcher
10-06-2005, 04:00 PM
As an owner of a company, I think it sucks that I have to take into consideration a persons race when hiring someone. Granted I have a small company so it really doesn't come into play, but I have hired lots of people in my professional career and I hire the best candidate bottom line. I don't care if you are white, black, yellow or green, if you are going to make the company money, its going to make me money at some point.

Tryska
10-06-2005, 04:11 PM
i suggest reading Freakonomics.

HahnB
10-06-2005, 04:12 PM
What's funny, like paul pointed out, is that the study doesn't mention undesireable white names like clyde, rufus, or billy bob. A study that tries to prove racism in the work place ends up being racist itself, what a suprise.

ClubberLang
10-06-2005, 04:23 PM
What's funny, like paul pointed out, is that the study doesn't mention undesireable white names like clyde, rufus, or billy bob. A study that tries to prove racism in the work place ends up being racist itself, what a suprise.




For example, it may not be that the name sounds black, it may be that it sounds like someone who might generally not be someone you want representing your company, much like 'Billy Bob' or 'Rufus'.



Both of these posts say alot. The Study reflects the MOST COMMON african American Names. The people organizing the study aren't looking to chose "dumb sounding" black name so the analogy you are trying to draw is false. It's you that's adding the presumption that these names are stupid and connote lower intelligence.

ClubberLang
10-06-2005, 04:24 PM
i suggest reading Freakonomics.

I'm not planning on aborting any black babies in the near future so i'll pass.

galileo
10-06-2005, 04:37 PM
I'm not planning on aborting any black babies in the near future so i'll pass.

That makes one of us.

minn0_lee
10-06-2005, 04:40 PM
Race, age , sex, religon....ect all come into play in the workforce. Life aint fair and the quicker we learn this as kids the better.

ClubberLang
10-06-2005, 04:44 PM
Race, age , sex, religon....ect all come into play in the workforce. Life aint fair and the quicker we learn this as kids the better.

HUH?

WTF

discriminating on any of the above categories IS ILLEGAL in this part of the world. I must say that i'm shocked and dissapointed by the responses I've heard thus far.

minn0_lee
10-06-2005, 04:48 PM
HUH?

WTF

discriminating on any of the above categories IS ILLEGAL in this part of the world. I must say that i'm shocked and dissapointed by the responses I've heard thus far.
Sense when did someting being "illegal" stop people from doing it.
I'm shocked by your inability to see how the real world works.

HahnB
10-06-2005, 04:50 PM
HUH?

WTF

discriminating on any of the above categories IS ILLEGAL in this part of the world. I must say that i'm shocked and dissapointed by the responses I've heard thus far.

You'll never stop it, you can't stop it. It's human nature. All the laws in the world will never stop racism.

ClubberLang
10-06-2005, 04:53 PM
Sense when did someting being "illegal" stop people from doing it.
I'm shocked by your inability to see how the real world works.

I find it funny that the same people who say that this type of discrimination are "unavoidable facts of life" are the same people to cry about "reverse discrimination" every time some type of reformative policy is introduced. I have no problem seeing how the "real world" works. I'm the one that posted the article with the real world study conducted by Researchers. :windup:


The question posed by this thread is not simply whether or not this occurs in the real world, but what do do about it. Simply saying X happens therefore there is nothing we can do about it is shallow, crude and fatalistic analysis.

minn0_lee
10-06-2005, 04:54 PM
I find it funny that the same people who say that this type of discrimination are "unavoidable facts of life" are the same people to cry about "reverse discrimination" every time some type of reformative policy is introduced. I have no problem seeing how the "real world" works. I'm the one that posted the article with the real world study conducted by Researchers. :windup:


The question posed by this thread is not simply whether or not this occurs in the real world, but what do do about it. Simply saying X happens therefore there is nothing we can do about it is shallow, crude and fatalistic analysis.
wow you really have issues :rolleyes:

ClubberLang
10-06-2005, 04:54 PM
You'll never stop it, you can't stop it. It's human nature. All the laws in the world will never stop racism.

LOL. That's a bold statement. Apparently you have some type of insight into the very nature of the 6 billion human being on this planet that I don't.Care to back this statement up with some type of Proof?.....

SobaAddict70
10-06-2005, 04:56 PM
Ok, this stops now.

galileo
10-06-2005, 07:45 PM
No wait.......now.