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Invain
10-18-2005, 02:36 PM
I think I read somewhere on this forum that Alcohol slows down protein synthesis, or something like that, can't quite remember.

I was just wondering what effects Alcohol had on the body, and how much it would effect my progress if I got tanked once in a while on the weekend. I meen, it's probably only a couple times a month, and the next day is usually a day off....

getfit
10-18-2005, 02:39 PM
a few drinks here and there is not a problem.

Invain
10-18-2005, 02:46 PM
Alright, that's some good news.

So I should just quite worrying about it, unless I become a drunk or something?

getfit
10-18-2005, 02:58 PM
well a few is ok, sure, i go out for drinks and have a few but i don't like getting over the top drunk,tipsy yes.

LAM
10-18-2005, 03:42 PM
I think I read somewhere on this forum that Alcohol slows down protein synthesis, or something like that, can't quite remember.

I was just wondering what effects Alcohol had on the body, and how much it would effect my progress if I got tanked once in a while on the weekend. I meen, it's probably only a couple times a month, and the next day is usually a day off....

the higher the BAC the lower serum test levels will fall. alcohol consumption also decrease serum GH and IGF-1. alcohol also inteferes with protein metabolism in the liver.

there isn't one good thing about regular alcohol consumption

getfit
10-18-2005, 03:44 PM
the higher the BAC the lower serum test levels will fall. alcohol consumption also decrease serum GH and IGF-1. alcohol also inteferes with protein metabolism in the liver.

there isn't one good thing about regular alcohol consumption
yes, but having a few drinks a couple of times a month won't make a difference

tholian8
10-18-2005, 04:01 PM
What Getfit said.

It's all in the habits you have. Having a few drinks on a Friday night is not going to kill your bodybuilding goals until and unless you get into the elite levels. However, drinking every day may have an impact on your goals depending on how much you drink. One beer or glass of wine is probably fine, if you have room for the calories in your eating plan. More than that begins to be a little dodgy.

The literature on what alcohol does in the body is quite abundant (although there is a lot of moralistic propaganda embedded in that literature, so read critically). While there is nothing intrinsincally wrong with alcohol consumption, you should know exactly what it is doing in your system, so that you can make an informed decision.

Getting drunk every day will be a big problem for your fitness goals. And there is also the danger of addiction. Alcohol addiction is nothing to be trifled with--it can be very strong and difficult to shake.

Behemoth
10-18-2005, 04:06 PM
Where you been LAM?

LAM
10-18-2005, 04:22 PM
yes, but having a few drinks a couple of times a month won't make a difference

a couple of drinks isn't a problem but getting tanked a couple of times a month could be. getting a good drunk on can completely shut down anabolism for 2-3 days in a row. now multiply that by 3-4x a month. for a person who already has problems gaining LBM or losing bf regular consumption of alcohol could definetly cause training to stagnate.

I drink every once and a while but to me that means maybe 2-3x a year

LAM
10-18-2005, 04:23 PM
Where you been LAM?

I started working for myself over a year ago, haven't really had much time since then.

tigo
10-18-2005, 04:40 PM
mm if you get drunk and are hungover the nextday the workouts gonna suck

getfit
10-18-2005, 04:44 PM
a couple of drinks isn't a problem but getting tanked a couple of times a month could be. getting a good drunk on can completely shut down anabolism for 2-3 days in a row. now multiply that by 3-4x a month. for a person who already has problems gaining LBM or losing bf regular consumption of alcohol could definetly cause training to stagnate.

I drink every once and a while but to me that means maybe 2-3x a year
i agree, i don't drink much unless i'm in company of friends, that would be maybe 3-5 drinks a month, or less even

Unreal
10-18-2005, 05:00 PM
I had a beer last week. That was the last drink I've had since I think a shot of whiskey on Christmas. Only did that because of family tradition. Before that Thanksgiving was the last time.

Drinking is overrated.

bobk07
10-18-2005, 05:22 PM
I sort of agree. I'm a college student and I usually get drunk maybe once or twice a week and it hasnt done anything so far as limiting muscle growth or loosing body fat. I actually find I have better workouts after I drink.
I got drunk a lot this summer and never once were my abs or lean mass ever altered. Dont sweat getting drunk with your buddies once in a while. Live life and have fun. Thats not to say get drunk every night. but gettin wasted in a friday nightwont hurt you all that much. Light beer or liquor and diet soda are a good choice if you do drink.

Invain
10-18-2005, 06:29 PM
Yeah, I didn't plan on getting drunk every weekend. Maybe a casual drink once in a great while. I just wondered what the effects of getting totally plastered were.

spencerjrus
10-18-2005, 06:41 PM
a couple of drinks isn't a problem but getting tanked a couple of times a month could be. getting a good drunk on can completely shut down anabolism for 2-3 days in a row. now multiply that by 3-4x a month.

you sure about that? I've gained 10-15 lbs of lean mass in a month where I was getting ****faced 2-3 times a week. and I am by no means cream of the crop genetics.

SpecialK
10-18-2005, 07:03 PM
you sure about that? I've gained 10-15 lbs of lean mass in a month where I was getting ****faced 2-3 times a week. and I am by no means cream of the crop genetics.

10-15 lbs of LBM in one month would definitely put you in the cream of the crop as far as genetics go, unless you were a total beginner and suddenly started training hard and eating a ton. Even then it would take good genetics to pull off.

From what I read, experienced lifters who do their first 3 month test cycle are lucky to gain 10-15 lbs of LBM.

civrob
10-18-2005, 08:25 PM
I plan to get drunk once a week or every other week on nights out with friends. I guess it can hamper my gains but this is my escape and chance to go out have fun, forget my worries and problems.

I feel guilty after this but its possible to make up for it. If im out I plan to get drunk, not the drunk falling over drunk hmmm. whats the difference between drunk and tipsy?

Basicly, I should'nt but I do. The world is full of sinners I have yet to meet a saint whos always right besides the customers at work who gain this status by existing grrrrrr.

Hatred
10-18-2005, 08:53 PM
Having alcohol in your lifetime causes one to lose the ability to use the search function.

Wild Cat McCane
10-18-2005, 10:50 PM
Some people think it will help build muscles

cause then you get to have sex. =)

gymnast
10-19-2005, 06:38 AM
I thought I would post an article related to the topic:

So you workout regularly and like to consider yourself fairly health conscious when it comes to weightlifting and maintaining muscle mass. But despite all those big muscles, you have a weakness: you have a tendency to have one or two or six drinks every now and then. Probably most students can relate, but before you have that drink, there are a few things you should know about how it will affect the muscle you work so hard to keep. Is the booze really worth it?

As some may have experienced first hand, alcohol can have some serious ill effects on the body and muscles. It doesn't matter whether you drink occasionally or frequently, the intake of alcohol has adverse effects no matter what. Aside from dehydrating your body, flushing out the very water your muscle needs to survive, alcohol also decreases protein synthesis, another integral part of muscle growth and maintenance. Protein synthesis is a process that is necessary for the building of muscle cells. If this is decreased, your muscle building process will obviously slow down; therefore the hour in the gym before your drink may have been a waste of time.

As stated earlier, dehydration is another downside to alcohol. It can lead to muscle catabolism, which occurs when your body uses muscle cells as energy. You drink the booze and get dehydrated. Your muscle cells, which contain the most water out of any other cell in the body, get drained so your body can re-hydrate itself. As a result, muscle cells can no longer be used by your body for anything but energy. Therefore, the next time you get on the treadmill to do some cardiovascular activity, instead of burning those fat stores like you had intended, your water depleted muscle cells get burned as energy instead. This process happens so fast that simply drinking water after the booze goes down, isn't good enough.

Excessive alcohol consumption known as binging can also cause levels of testosterone to decrease and can increase levels of cortisol, which is a hormone that can destroy muscle. So, if you have been wondering why your hard work in the weight room just hasn't been paying off, it could very well be because you have been losing your muscle to alcohol and therefore, not realizing your muscles' full potential.

Anthony Ellis, author and columnist for Muscle Media on 15 Muscle-Building Rules for Skinny Guys, confesses the following in one of his earlier issues. By cutting out his alcohol intake completely and maintaining his routine, he was able to gain and maintain 15 extra pounds of muscle mass that he hadn't been able to do prior to drinking alcohol.

So the question posed to you is: what is more worth to you; the money you pay for protein and a gym pass, the time and energy you put into getting those bulging biceps, or the booze that steals your money and your muscles which leaves you with a headache, a foggy memory, and who knows what the next morning.

Is the booze really worth the loss?

spencerjrus
10-19-2005, 10:57 AM
Is the booze really worth the loss?



Considering how at least 50% of the people on this board lift for the sole purpose of getting laid, I think the answer is yes.

bobk07
10-19-2005, 11:08 AM
I agree. Unless you make a living bodybuilding I find it pretty sad that a person may decide sit in on a friday/saturday night instead of going out with your buds to a party or bar and having a good time.

Tarendol
10-19-2005, 11:28 AM
I agree. Unless you make a living bodybuilding I find it pretty sad that a person may decide sit in on a friday/saturday night instead of going out with your buds to a party or bar and having a good time.

I certainly think being anal about it is unhealthy and drinking now and then won't destroy your gains, but I disagree that drinking is required to have a good time. I have been in college for a long time now and the "We have to go out and get drunk!!" mentality starts getting really old. I'm not saying that you are like that, but I see so many people around here whose recreational life consists only of drinking and it just sucks!

dw06wu
10-19-2005, 11:43 AM
Take it from someone who has maybe 40+ drinks per weekend, it slows progress whether you are cutting or bulking. It totally Fs your hormone levels, it totally Fs fat burning process, and totally Fs motivation.

but I disagree that drinking is required to have a good time. I have been in college for a long time now and the "We have to go out and get drunk!!" mentality starts getting really old.
I disagree. Does it get old? Yes. Does staying sober get older? By far.

Not to mention the fact that if I try to go out and not drink, my friends will have a field day with me. Obviously we hang out with different types of people, but I'm not about to distance myself from any of my friends because I want to get in shape faster.

ShockBoxer
10-19-2005, 12:42 PM
I have a drink or two every few years now (of course, what I drank in high school was enough to last a lifetime). While I'm hardly a social butterfly it hasn't particularly affected my social life. My friends get plastered but they know if they keep bugging me to drink I just go home... so they chill. Respect is a good trait to find in a friend.

bobk07
10-19-2005, 01:19 PM
I wasnt saying that you need to drink to have a good time, or that you should drink all the time. I try hard not to drink on weekdays. All I ment to say was that if your gonna sit on your ass and watch reruns on a Friday night just because your afraid of a little muscle loss from drinking is sad. You should be able to go out and have a good time.

And 40 drinks in a weekend is crazy, I didnt mean that much at all. 6-12 drinks should benough to get you drunk depending on who you are.

One other thing I heard, can you get drunk quicker if your in good shape? I heard a WWII vet sayin thats it didnt take them so much to get drunk because they were in suberb shape (he was in the paratroopers). Just a few drinks.

Mr Joshua
10-19-2005, 03:49 PM
I thought I would post an article related to the topic:

So you workout regularly and like to consider yourself fairly health conscious when it comes to weightlifting and maintaining muscle mass. But despite all those big muscles, you have a weakness: you have a tendency to have one or two or six drinks every now and then. Probably most students can relate, but before you have that drink, there are a few things you should know about how it will affect the muscle you work so hard to keep. Is the booze really worth it?

As some may have experienced first hand, alcohol can have some serious ill effects on the body and muscles. It doesn't matter whether you drink occasionally or frequently, the intake of alcohol has adverse effects no matter what. Aside from dehydrating your body, flushing out the very water your muscle needs to survive, alcohol also decreases protein synthesis, another integral part of muscle growth and maintenance. Protein synthesis is a process that is necessary for the building of muscle cells. If this is decreased, your muscle building process will obviously slow down; therefore the hour in the gym before your drink may have been a waste of time.

As stated earlier, dehydration is another downside to alcohol. It can lead to muscle catabolism, which occurs when your body uses muscle cells as energy. You drink the booze and get dehydrated. Your muscle cells, which contain the most water out of any other cell in the body, get drained so your body can re-hydrate itself. As a result, muscle cells can no longer be used by your body for anything but energy. Therefore, the next time you get on the treadmill to do some cardiovascular activity, instead of burning those fat stores like you had intended, your water depleted muscle cells get burned as energy instead. This process happens so fast that simply drinking water after the booze goes down, isn't good enough.

Excessive alcohol consumption known as binging can also cause levels of testosterone to decrease and can increase levels of cortisol, which is a hormone that can destroy muscle. So, if you have been wondering why your hard work in the weight room just hasn't been paying off, it could very well be because you have been losing your muscle to alcohol and therefore, not realizing your muscles' full potential.

Anthony Ellis, author and columnist for Muscle Media on 15 Muscle-Building Rules for Skinny Guys, confesses the following in one of his earlier issues. By cutting out his alcohol intake completely and maintaining his routine, he was able to gain and maintain 15 extra pounds of muscle mass that he hadn't been able to do prior to drinking alcohol.

So the question posed to you is: what is more worth to you; the money you pay for protein and a gym pass, the time and energy you put into getting those bulging biceps, or the booze that steals your money and your muscles which leaves you with a headache, a foggy memory, and who knows what the next morning.

Is the booze really worth the loss?

One of the worst articles I've ever seen posted here. Do you have a link to the original article?

dw06wu
10-19-2005, 04:00 PM
I wasnt saying that you need to drink to have a good time, or that you should drink all the time. I try hard not to drink on weekdays. All I ment to say was that if your gonna sit on your ass and watch reruns on a Friday night just because your afraid of a little muscle loss from drinking is sad. You should be able to go out and have a good time.

And 40 drinks in a weekend is crazy, I didnt mean that much at all. 6-12 drinks should benough to get you drunk depending on who you are.

One other thing I heard, can you get drunk quicker if your in good shape? I heard a WWII vet sayin thats it didnt take them so much to get drunk because they were in suberb shape (he was in the paratroopers). Just a few drinks.
I just meant to give the other side of the spectrum. Ive built up quite the tolerance over the years.

Wild Cat McCane
10-19-2005, 05:34 PM
jesus christ I completely agree with the guy that said the college mentallity thing. And I'm the president of my fraternity! hahaha.

I'm curious what a large amounts of alcohal does to you, in addition to your body having to do over time with all the food we have to eat to stay big. that makes sense?

spencerjrus
10-19-2005, 05:45 PM
jesus christ I completely agree with the guy that said the college mentallity thing. And I'm the president of my fraternity! hahaha.

I'm curious what a large amounts of alcohal does to you, in addition to your body having to do over time with all the food we have to eat to stay big. that makes sense?


Are you asking if drinking is more detrimental to your health than force feeding yourself to gain weight?

I would say long term, no. Short term, quite possibly, depending on how much you drink.

Davidelmo
10-20-2005, 06:12 AM
Builds up toxins, makes you do stupid stuff, damages your kidneys and liver, screws up your water balance, dehydrates you etc

Still fun though :D

Behemoth
10-20-2005, 04:24 PM
Having alcohol in your lifetime causes one to lose the ability to use the search function.

ha ha :withstupi

civrob
10-20-2005, 04:54 PM
Its more fun to get wasted! Yup it doesnt help with gains but sometimes you need to draw a line with what you enjoy doing and what you dont. Im at my happiest when drunk in a social environment i.e. a party.

Dutch courage is great

Comes down to choice.


Going slightly off topic what do recreational drugs do in terms of effecting your gains? Is it worse than alcohol?

SpecialK
10-20-2005, 05:10 PM
Its more fun to get wasted! Yup it doesnt help with gains but sometimes you need to draw a line with what you enjoy doing and what you dont. Im at my happiest when drunk in a social environment i.e. a party.

Dutch courage is great

Comes down to choice.


Going slightly off topic what do recreational drugs do in terms of effecting your gains? Is it worse than alcohol?

If people said it was bad, would it really affect your decision to use?

russ
10-20-2005, 05:31 PM
man, i should stop getting rediculously drunk every friday

tigo
10-21-2005, 02:36 AM
Considering how at least 50% of the people on this board lift for the sole purpose of getting laid, I think the answer is yes.
HAHAHAHAHA
:withstupi

The Great
10-21-2005, 07:20 AM
Now I do not drink often, maybe once a month if that, but are there certain things that are better for you than others? for example like clear liquors vs. beer?