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ShockBoxer

11-13-2005, 07:22 AM

Rock

11-13-2005, 07:48 AM

ah yes wiggers...sweet...yes yes

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 08:23 AM

Stuff like this makes me hate America. Any country that produces garbage like this must be rotten to the core.

Beast

11-13-2005, 09:20 AM

Yeah, I mean look at the ****ing name of that movie. What type of message is that???

f=ma

11-13-2005, 09:28 AM

i dont think its as much of a message as much as it is 50 cent trying to get richer or die trying

f=ma

11-13-2005, 09:29 AM

and he will because suburban white america (and many many other regions of the world) love crappy mainstream rap

Invain

11-13-2005, 09:46 AM

Oh, there's more than enough gang members of other ethnicity mixed in to go around. Some of the biggest 'gangsta' I've ever seen have been white (and silly looking in an extreme).

Too bad looking like a moron doesn't always carry over into an inability to use a gun.

True. Although I would say there's a larger number of black gangs than others, (mayeb I'm biased since I live in Michigan), there's also lots of stupid caucasion and mexican gangs. Nothing makes me laugh more than a mexican gangster....

smalls

11-13-2005, 10:50 AM

Nothing makes me laugh more than a mexican gangster....

Why?

galileo

11-13-2005, 10:51 AM

Why?

Because their mascot is the jumping bean.

biggimp

11-13-2005, 11:05 AM

i used to have a gang on the bus ride to junior high. OMAHA OWLS HOOT HOOT!!!

spencerjrus

11-13-2005, 11:12 AM

The only thing worse than the stupid ass money hungry rappers are the fans who actually believe that these artists are gangsters. They care about one thing and one thing only, the almighty dollar.

Nobody who cares about his 'street cred' puts his face on a plastic lunch box for 3rd graders to take to school, its just ridiculous. Everytime I hear about some other stupid **** 50 cent has said or did I get this angry feeling in my chest, my vision blacks out and I start punching the wall.

Hatred

11-13-2005, 11:12 AM

Stuff like this makes me hate America. Any country that produces garbage like this must be rotten to the core.
Agreed.
He also has a video game coming out about how he goes after the people that shot him in real life.
Instead of taking his vengeance out on the mike he takes it out on them!
W00t!

LOL @ Rock.
I got in so many fights from calling idiots "Wiggers" back in middle school.

Beast

11-13-2005, 12:29 PM

Nothing makes me laugh more than a mexican gangster....
Hmm, but they did form some of the very first gangs in the US...

HahnB

11-13-2005, 12:40 PM

and he will because suburban white america (and many many other regions of the world) love crappy mainstream rap

Mainstream is a word used by people whos albums don't sell. That article is a joke. It even says that they don't even know if the individuals were at the movie or not. The real problem here is that a shooting occurs and the media blames it on this movie. I will agree that his music does more harm than good(unintentionally), but he has a right to make money just like anybody else. It isn't his music that causes problems, it's the morons listening to it that act on it. The people that run this country are 10 times more underhanding in the way they make their money so I could care less how 50 cent makes a living.

Shao-LiN

11-13-2005, 12:43 PM

White guys are some of the more hardcore gangsters because they have to be crazy enough for the black guys to accept 'em. Hehe.

MrWebb78

11-13-2005, 01:09 PM

It even says that they don't even know if the individuals were at the movie or not. The real problem here is that a shooting occurs and the media blames it on this movie. .

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that since no shooting has occured prior to this movies release, then the weekend it is released there is a shooting; I don't think it's just an unfortunate coincidience. I think it's safe to say that the shooter, and the victim were attending this movie.

Same thing happened in '91/'92 with "Boyz in the Hood", shooting inside and outside the theater. Once again maybe it was just a STRANGE coincidence that a shooting happened the weekend a movie like that was released.

smalls

11-13-2005, 01:15 PM

Mainstream is a word used by people whos albums don't sell. That article is a joke. It even says that they don't even know if the individuals were at the movie or not. The real problem here is that a shooting occurs and the media blames it on this movie. I will agree that his music does more harm than good(unintentionally), but he has a right to make money just like anybody else. It isn't his music that causes problems, it's the morons listening to it that act on it. The people that run this country are 10 times more underhanding in the way they make their money so I could care less how 50 cent makes a living.

Just what I was thinking. No one is to blame but the people that got themselves into a fight. There are altercations after almost every basketball game, concert etc. It's called lots of people in one area at a time, chances are someones a douchebag with a chip on his shoulder. Why blame the rap artist for someone else not being able to make the right decision.

BTW, Gal that was pretty funny.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 02:49 PM

Mainstream is a word used by people whos albums don't sell.Is the worth of a piece of music solely determined by how many copies it sells? Is music more than a mere disposable product? People used to think so a few hundred years ago, and, surely enough, their music was much better.

I will agree that his music does more harm than good(unintentionally), but he has a right to make money just like anybody else. It isn't his music that causes problems, it's the morons listening to it that act on it. The people that run this country are 10 times more underhanding in the way they make their money so I could care less how 50 cent makes a living.
Let me see if I understand you what you're saying:

A. His music does harm, but it's allowed because he has a right to make money, and this right is more important than society as a whole.

B. It's moreover okay because other people also harm society in order to profit.

If thinking like this is commonplace, no wonder your country is such a degenerate cesspool.

biggimp

11-13-2005, 02:51 PM

i was mostly picking on all of his fans. they were the ones in the shooting. i never once said the movie made them do it. its just that a movie like that and a rapper like that draw audiences made up of stupid wannabe gangster idiots. but last time i checked most real gangsters probably dont go to saturday night flicks.

MixmasterNash

11-13-2005, 03:01 PM

A. His music does harm, but it's allowed because he has a right to make money, and this right is more important than society as a whole.

B. It's moreover okay because other people also harm society in order to profit.

If thinking like this is commonplace, no wonder your country is such a degenerate cesspool.

Yeah, we should definately regulate the speech of minorities.

MrWebb78

11-13-2005, 03:11 PM

A. His music does harm, but it's allowed because he has a right to make money, and this right is more important than society as a whole.

B. It's moreover okay because other people also harm society in order to profit.

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A. it is allowed because his music does not force anyone into harmful action. placing blame and ignoring the responsibility of those doing harm is idiotic.

B. every society has parasites. I challenge you to name one that doesn't.

d'Anconia

11-13-2005, 03:17 PM

Yeah Der Kopwerfer, the day that we no longer have freedom of speech is the day that I leave this nation. And degenerate cesspool? A lot of the problems that I see in American society today are because people like you who think that you can take away the rights of people.

I could care less what his lyrics could say, they could talk about murdering infants for all I care and you would never hear me say that he shouldn't be able to make the music he does. If people don't have the ability to communicate their beliefs, whatever they may be, then a society will have problems evolving and moving forward.

Now I don't care much for 50 Cent's lyrics, but I do like many of the beats he has in them (although I don't even know if he writes the music). For the most part though he is a talentless loser who is riding on the fame he got from being shot eight times or whatever. I don't know how he can even claim he's a gangster... he got shot eight times, he didn't shoot somebody else eight times. Average Joe's get shot by gangsters all the time.

Over at IMDb the movie is getting slammed and has a rating of 3.8/10 which is almost bad enough to make it on the "Bottom 100" list. I'm sure other movie sights (ie rottentomatoes.com) are giving the movie horrible reviews too.

50 Cent should get it in his head that we don't give a **** about his pathetic life.

HahnB

11-13-2005, 03:34 PM

Is the worth of a piece of music solely determined by how many copies it sells? Is music more than a mere disposable product? People used to think so a few hundred years ago, and, surely enough, their music was much better.

I saw an interview with 50 cent and he put said it pretty well. He said the music industry is the business of selling records-that's it.

It's not so much about making a good song because there are millions of people who can do that, it's not that rare. You have to do something more than make a good song if you want your music to sell. I respect what 50 cent does because he's broken album records that haven't been achieved since the Beatles in 64. That takes a lot work considering there are thousands, even millions of artists that haven't accomplished what he has. You may not agree with the way he does it, but he markets himself very well and his career reflects that.

Now I don't care much for 50 Cent's lyrics, but I do like many of the beats he has in them (although I don't even know if he writes the music).

Dr. Dre makes his music, as well as eminems and everybody else over there. He's the most talented in my opinion. He's been doing it for so long and he still comes up with great beats to this day.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 03:45 PM

A. it is allowed because his music does not force anyone into harmful action. placing blame and ignoring the responsibility of those doing harm is idiotic. His "music" may not directly force people to engage in harmful action; however, when a society embraces such baseness and vulgarity, degeneration of morals and values is imminent. Moreover, a society is held together by its values, and if they are destroyed, then it no longer remains a society, but an agglomeration of individuals with nothing in common but greed and disgust. From what I've seen of America, this indeed seems to be the case.

B. every society has parasites. I challenge you to name one that doesn't.Every society may have parasites, but does this mean that we should encourage such behavior?

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 03:46 PM

I could care less what his lyrics could say, they could talk about murdering infants for all I care and you would never hear me say that he shouldn't be able to make the music he does. If people don't have the ability to communicate their beliefs, whatever they may be, then a society will have problems evolving and moving forward.Do you consider a society that exalts a 65 IQ thug to be one that has "evolved' and "mov[ed] forward?"

Shao-LiN

11-13-2005, 03:49 PM

Has to do more with the individual than the society. People are stupid. I've listened to music similar to 50 cent's almost all my life, but I've never been a gangbanger. A lot of people are stupid...stupid people do stupid things.

spencerjrus

11-13-2005, 03:59 PM

You cant blame the artist. Regardless of how stupid, ignorant or bigoted 50 cents message is, it still requires MILLIONS of idiots to go out there and buy his **** to make him the success he is. The success of an idiot is only because of the willingness of other idiots to partake in the facade.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 04:02 PM

I saw an interview with 50 cent and he put said it pretty well. He said the music industry is the business of selling records-that's it.

It's not so much about making a good song because there are millions of people who can do that, it's not that rare. You have to do something more than make a good song if you want your music to sell. I respect what 50 cent does because he's broken album records that haven't been achieved since the Beatles in 64. That takes a lot work considering there are thousands, even millions of artists that haven't accomplished what he has. You may not agree with the way he does it, but he markets himself very well and his career reflects that.
The ability to make mediocre music is common. The ability to make truly good music, however, is not. As you may know, there are very few truly great composers. They reached a greatness of such height as not to be imagined by many, and thus their works are eternal. 50 cent, on the other hand, will soon be forgotten.

If he has acheived anything, it is not in the field of music, but in the field of convincing idiots to purchase products. And the last time I checked, no person with any decency finds the ability to deceive an admirable quality.

MixmasterNash

11-13-2005, 04:03 PM

Do you consider a society that exalts a 65 IQ thug to be one that has "evolved' and "mov[ed] forward?"

I think 50 cent is the clearest evidence possible for intelligent design.

Brawl

11-13-2005, 04:03 PM

I might take the girlfriends kid to see it .

I'll throw my AR-15 (shorty) over my shoulder with about 6 -30 rd mags on my person . I'll sit in the back row and just as the flick is about to start I'll stand up and yell

" ok... any of you punk gangbanger wannabe's gets funny and I'll rake you with machine gun fire ".

The one drawback of fighting gangbangers and wiggers is they are the worst fighters . When you throw down with them you can win every time but they might be packin just like mexicans always having a shank , so you gotta be careful .

MrWebb78

11-13-2005, 04:05 PM

His "music" may not directly force people to engage in harmful action; however, when a society embraces such baseness and vulgarity, degeneration of morals and values is imminent. Moreover, a society is held together by its values, and if they are destroyed, then it no longer remains a society, but an agglomeration of individuals with nothing in common but greed and disgust. From what I've seen of America, this indeed seems to be the case.

Every society may have parasites, but does this mean that we should encourage such behavior?

you're lumping "Americans" under one label as if we are all identical in everyway. America is the mostr diverse country in the world, until you can understand that simple fact and not label "Americans" as all being the same you dont have a leg to stand on.

Second, who is encouraging said behavior? I can't remember the last time a judge gave a cookie to a convicted murderer and said "good job" and other words of encouragement.

HahnB

11-13-2005, 04:26 PM

Do you consider a society that exalts a 65 IQ thug to be one that has "evolved' and "mov[ed] forward?"

Not everybody comes from the same town. Not everybody is born with money, a father, a mother or any decent family structure. Do you know how good you have it compared to others if you're white and you have a family and some money? Once you have the ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes peoples motives become very clear. Hell, 90% of understanding people and life in general is seeing the world through someone elses eyes.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 04:32 PM

you're lumping "Americans" under one label as if we are all identical in everyway. America is the mostr diverse country in the world, until you can understand that simple fact and not label "Americans" as all being the same you dont have a leg to stand on.See my second and third sentences in my above post.

Second, who is encouraging said behavior?Then we agree: parasites are bad.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 04:35 PM

Not everybody comes from the same town. Not everybody is born with money, a father, a mother or any decent family structure. Do you know how good you have it compared to others if you're white and you have a family and some money? Once you have the ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes peoples motives become very clear. Hell, 90% of understanding people and life in general is seeing the world through someone elses eyes.Okay. And your point is?

Manveet

11-13-2005, 04:40 PM

Okay. And your point is?

That societal goals such as financial success are heavily reinforced in North American culture, and that not everyone has access to legitimate means in order to acheive such goals. As a consequence, individuals adopt illegitimate means (in this case "gang banging") in order to obtain financial success.

ReturnedFire

11-13-2005, 04:48 PM

Mainstream is a word used by people whos albums don't sell. That article is a joke. It even says that they don't even know if the individuals were at the movie or not. The real problem here is that a shooting occurs and the media blames it on this movie. I will agree that his music does more harm than good(unintentionally), but he has a right to make money just like anybody else. It isn't his music that causes problems, it's the morons listening to it that act on it. The people that run this country are 10 times more underhanding in the way they make their money so I could care less how 50 cent makes a living.

yeah, seriously. i can't stand it when people blame media for stuff when there are millions listening to the same stuff that don't do stupid things.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 05:01 PM

That societal goals such as financial success are heavily reinforced in North American culture, and that not everyone has access to legitimate means in order to acheive such goals.I would say that goals of financial success do not stem from culture, but from a lack of it. Because America promotes "multiculturalism" and "diversity" it can have no uniform culture. Thus, the only thing connecting the mass of individuals (not to be confused with a nation) is "financial success," or as I like to call it, greed.

As a consequence, individuals adopt illegitimate means (in this case "gang banging") in order to obtain financial success.Is it okay to use corrupt means to reach a corrupt end? I guess, as in both cases it doesn't really matter: it's still corrupt.

d'Anconia

11-13-2005, 05:06 PM

Der Kopwerfer, I'm really surprised that you are ignorant enough to think that one individual's morals can be superior to those of another. Will 50 Cent help society evolve? Sure why not, he tells stories of his upbringing and his life, something that can help other people realize what life can be like for some people.

And of course it isn't below you to take the musical elitist route and decide, for everyone, what is considered good music and not good music. Whether or not 50 Cent's music is any good is subjective but it's clear to me that 50 knows how to market himself well. You can say what you want about 65 IQ gangbangers all you want but I think he outsmarted masses of people and ended up making millions. Can't remember the last time I've pulled something off that was that big.

Mind me asking where you live? Is it the Vatican, or is it a totalitarian state? Take your preaching about values somewhere else.

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 05:23 PM

Der Kopwerfer, I'm really surprised that you are ignorant enough to think that one individual's morals can be superior to those of another. A conclusion backed with no premises isn't much of an argument. But don't listen to me, I'm ignorant. :zipit:

Will 50 Cent help society evolve? Sure why not, he tells stories of his upbringing and his life, something that can help other people realize what life can be like for some people.I don't see the connection between evolution and story-telling.

And of course it isn't below you to take the musical elitist route and decide, for everyone, what is considered good music and not good music. Whether or not 50 Cent's music is any good is subjective but it's clear to me that 50 knows how to market himself well. Bach wrote music hundreds of years ago. If his music wasn't some of the best that has ever been written, then why do people still perform his works? Perhaps there is a reason. Perhaps that reason is because Bach's music is great. A thorough grounding in music theory and even the smallest analysis of his works will confirm this.

You can say what you want about 65 IQ gangbangers all you want but I think he outsmarted masses of people and ended up making millions. 50 cent doesn't know how to market himself well; marketers with advanced degrees in advertising and psychology know how to market him well. He is merely a puppet.

Gyno Rhino

11-13-2005, 05:32 PM

Dunno.

I heard one of his songs today and got the sudden urge to kill a minority.

So, I'm pretty sure this stuff DOES incite violence.

d'Anconia

11-13-2005, 05:37 PM

"His "music" may not directly force people to engage in harmful action; however, when a society embraces such baseness and vulgarity, degeneration of morals and values is imminent."
That right there is what makes me think that your "morality" argument is off. What is moral in one culture is often vulgar in another... it is subjective and thus for you to say that this music is bad because it condones a degeneration of moral values is really only representing the issue in the context of your own morals.

I'm REALLY surprised that you are not understanding this whole concept. Usually people who communicate on message boards are more open-minded but I suppose it's not always the case. You're only at 17 posts and you are going to encounter this theme many more times. You'll probably either come to understand these things or you will quit the forums and never be heard from again on here.

The exact same arguments you are making were used against such "moral degenerating" artists as Elvis, the Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Bob Marley. But I suppose you've never thought about it that way, have you?

And as for JS Bach, I don't think his stuff is that good at all, in fact I could find tons of people who can't sit down and listen to his music. I just must be stupid and have bad taste in music, huh? Get it in your head, you are not the authority on what is "good" and "bad".

Shao-LiN

11-13-2005, 05:47 PM

So financial success and greed are one and the same to you?

Der Kopfwerfer

11-13-2005, 06:20 PM

So financial success and greed are one and the same to you?When that is the only goal, then yes.

mrelwooddowd

11-13-2005, 06:26 PM

There is no comparison between The Beatles and 50 cent..

mrelwooddowd

11-13-2005, 06:44 PM

If thinking like this is commonplace, no wonder your country is such a degenerate cesspool.

Why the hAet for the U.S.?

What vundaful country do you live in?

Jorge Sanchez

11-13-2005, 06:46 PM

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that since no shooting has occured prior to this movies release, then the weekend it is released there is a shooting; I don't think it's just an unfortunate coincidience. I think it's safe to say that the shooter, and the victim were attending this movie.

Same thing happened in '91/'92 with "Boyz in the Hood", shooting inside and outside the theater. Once again maybe it was just a STRANGE coincidence that a shooting happened the weekend a movie like that was released.

I can't tell, are you being serious?

headslinger

11-13-2005, 06:58 PM

That right there is what makes me think that your "morality" argument is off. What is moral in one culture is often vulgar in another... False. For instance, most, if not all cultures have rules against murder, lying, etc. You see, morals and values are what hold a society together. Without them, there would only be chaos. As all people live on the same planet earth, the same rules apply to all people who wish to form societies. Superior societies are those whose morals and values are such that lead to the success of the entire community (not just financially as I'm sure you're prone to think, but spiritually as well). Moreover, any culture that permits actions that go against the well-being of the whole, is not one that is going to last for much time. You Americans might come to realize this soon enough.

That being said, you're obviously an ignorant, uneducated philistine who under no circumstances is in the position to adopt such a didactic tone in addressing anyone.

And as for JS Bach, I don't think his stuff is that good at all, in fact I could find tons of people who can't sit down and listen to his music. I just must be stupid and have bad taste in music, huh? Get it in your head, you are not the authority on what is "good" and "bad". If a blind man looks at the sun, does that make it any less bright?

Rex

11-13-2005, 07:01 PM

Headslinger = Kopfwerfer = troll

And I see a ban in your future!

headslinger

11-13-2005, 07:12 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why I was banned. For the same reason they killed Socrates I guess.

Brawl

11-13-2005, 07:14 PM

You guys best back off . He's probably from Germany where they murdered 6 million jews for being .. umm... prosperous .

Or France because they know how to treat the worlds Muslim people .

The US sucks ...

I love those guys .

d'Anconia

11-13-2005, 07:17 PM

Well whoop dee doo, now we got another one. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same person though, hopefully the mods will double check that for us.

I can't even tell if you are being serious or not. Sure some shared basic morals help a community exist but over here in the US we try to support "freedom of expression" (although not always successfully) and that is one of the primary reasons that our nation is still up and running. When people are punished for expressing their opinions, beliefs, and experiences, it then that society often turns to dirt. This is a trait that is apparent in most totalitarian states but maybe you need some examples.

In Russia when people would express their opposition to Stalin's actions they were often killed or sent to work camps in Siberia.
In Iraq if you didn't vote for Saddam Hussein you were killed, if you expressed dislike for Saddam Hussein the government would do screwd up stuff to you.

Those places are backward and don't ever last long. I can keep naming off examples but you still probably wouldn't get it, would you?

The United States was based on freedom of expression, that's the reason the first colonists came over here in the first place. Because people like you guys said their morals were wrong and persecuted them. And of course the nation that persecuted them in the first place ended up getting spanked... twice.

smalls

11-13-2005, 07:21 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why I was banned. For the same reason they killed Socrates I guess.

You didnt really just compare yourself to socrates did you?

They banned you cuz you made it personal. Think before you type, didnt your mom teach you anything? Mine's from canada so she's a good person, lol.

d'Anconia

11-13-2005, 07:22 PM

OK good to know you respectable members here agree, for a second there I thought I was just going crazy or something.

Rex

11-13-2005, 07:24 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why I was banned. For the same reason they killed Socrates I guess.

Right. Socrates.

Or you can dwell on the following: "obnoxiously arrogant interloper".

Rex

11-13-2005, 07:26 PM

You didnt really just compare yourself to socrates did you?

lol.

Rex

11-13-2005, 07:32 PM

Even here fitty has the power to incite rage and violence.

I hope I don't banned.

*abandons thread to avoid the banning*

FREEDOMOFSPEECH

11-13-2005, 07:33 PM

OK good to know you respectable members here agree, for a second there I thought I was just going crazy or something.How is it that you support free speech and at the same time support its denial?

MrWebb78

11-13-2005, 07:45 PM

I can't tell, are you being serious?

yes.

FREEDOMOFSPEECH

11-13-2005, 07:56 PM

Right. Socrates.

Or you can dwell on the following: "obnoxiously arrogant interloper".
Wasn't Socrates also really arrogant? I seem to remember that he was--especially in his defense, that is, if Plato's account is accurate.

HahnB

11-13-2005, 09:13 PM

What baffles me is the media and government get people to attack guys like 50 cent because of his "violent" music. What about the fact that these same holy than thou people put products on the market like cigarettes that kill millions of people a year. And we are sitting here calling out 50 cent out because some think he's such a bad person. They love guys like 50 cent because it takes the heat off of them. People in this country have serious issues when it comes to pointing the figure.

MrWebb78

11-13-2005, 09:20 PM

biggimp

11-13-2005, 09:40 PM

im sure its "8 mile" only with 50 cent instead of eminem.

HahnB

11-13-2005, 09:49 PM

What's funny is you don't see people talking about movies like gotti, or the sopranos, or other violent movies or icons like John Gotti.

Hockey66

11-13-2005, 09:56 PM

G - G - G - G-Unit!

RussianRocket

11-13-2005, 10:22 PM

HahnB

11-13-2005, 10:27 PM

I think cigarettes should be allowed to be advertised. We advertise bad **** for people all the time. If people are stupid enough to smoke than let them. If people are stupid enough to take 50 cent seriously than let them.

I don't wanna get off topic here but I party agree with you. But the gov shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose what is legal so they can line their pockets at the expense of the rest of us. I could have 5 kegs in my car and 50 cartons of ciggs but if I have a joint on me I get arrested, nice.

Shao-LiN

11-13-2005, 10:48 PM

i dont think he's a bad person. i just think his music sucks. that's based only what i've heard from the occasional radio hit i hear.

as for his movie, it looks like the same movie thats been done a million times so i wouldnt pay to see it.

I like a few key songs, but some of his newer ones sound ******ed (especially the ones that aren't produced by Dre). But, in any event, the man seems a bit unstable. He has problems with like every other rapper on the planet, and even said that he would have 'beef' with Dr. Dre if he worked with The Game on his next album. Might not make him a bad person, but the man is a 12 year old as far as maturity goes.

d'Anconia

11-14-2005, 12:04 AM

Yeah I saw an interview of him this last week where they were asking him about the movie. I was really shocked at how quiet and shy he seemed, it looks like this is one of those times where he lives out his dream through his persona: a rich gangster rapper who gets what he wants.

And to FreedomOfSpeech, I just don't think a government has a right to deny free speech. I'm pretty neutral on whether private entities can deny a person their freedom of speech. If you come into my house and say things that are stupid, expect me to kick you out of my house.

ectx

11-14-2005, 07:16 AM

Moreover, a society is held together by its values, and if they are destroyed, then it no longer remains a society, but an agglomeration of individuals with nothing in common but greed and disgust. From what I've seen of America, this indeed seems to be the case.

Every society may have parasites, but does this mean that we should encourage such behavior?

So multiculturalism isn't a value? Freedom from religious persecution isn't a value? Individualist thought and democracy aren't a value?

Who are these parasites? Mexicans, blacks, jews, arabs?

Roark

11-14-2005, 08:34 AM

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BilltheButcher

11-14-2005, 09:05 AM

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Smell my finger.

RussianRocket

11-14-2005, 09:27 AM

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SEIZURE TIME!!!!

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 11:41 AM

Stuff like this makes me hate America. Any country that produces garbage like this must be rotten to the core.
What glass house are you posting from? Hate is a rather strong word, and judging a country by some celebrity morons doesn't speak highly of your analytical prowess.

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 11:53 AM

Is the worth of a piece of music solely determined by how many copies it sells? Is music more than a mere disposable product? People used to think so a few hundred years ago, and, surely enough, their music was much better.
Which worth are you referring to? In dollars, yes, the worthiest piece of music is one which generates most profit. Critical worth is entirely separate from that. Not everyone's a music snob (I wish more people were).

Let me see if I understand you what you're saying:

A. His music does harm, but it's allowed because he has a right to make money, and this right is more important than society as a whole.
Is freedom of speech something you have a problem with? Can you demonstrate that his music does harm? What kind of society are you advocating by being willing to sacrifice individual rights for "society as a whole"?

B. It's moreover okay because other people also harm society in order to profit.
What do you consider harm to society? What makes you think that you are an objective judge of that?

If thinking like this is commonplace, no wonder your country is such a degenerate cesspool.
I beg your pardon? Such inflammatory accusations better have something to back them unless you want to wear the Troll Hat.

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 11:59 AM

His "music" may not directly force people to engage in harmful action; however, when a society embraces such baseness and vulgarity, degeneration of morals and values is imminent. Moreover, a society is held together by its values, and if they are destroyed, then it no longer remains a society, but an agglomeration of individuals with nothing in common but greed and disgust. From what I've seen of America, this indeed seems to be the case.
Again, you keep alluding to what you have seen but I would like to hear some examples which apply to America as a whole.

Every society may have parasites, but does this mean that we should encourage such behavior?
What behavior are you referring to? Making records?

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 12:01 PM

50 cent, on the other hand, will soon be forgotten.
So your problem is then with... what?

If he has acheived anything, it is not in the field of music, but in the field of convincing idiots to purchase products. And the last time I checked, no person with any decency finds the ability to deceive an admirable quality.
Marketing is not the same as deception. Check your dictionary.

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 12:09 PM

I would say that goals of financial success do not stem from culture, but from a lack of it. Because America promotes "multiculturalism" and "diversity" it can have no uniform culture.
Multiculturalism and diversity ARE the main tenets of American culture. Culture doesn't mean "snobbish Euro ways with only age going for them".

Thus, the only thing connecting the mass of individuals (not to be confused with a nation) is "financial success," or as I like to call it, greed.
Someone seems pissed that the immigrants who fled old Europe have set up a better shop. The hand waving and weakness-based accusations leave me unimpressed.

Is it okay to use corrupt means to reach a corrupt end? I guess, as in both cases it doesn't really matter: it's still corrupt.
Except that you have yet to point out where the corruption lies. Accusation of corruption is not proof of its existence. You would fit splendidly in the USSR circa 1948.

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 12:11 PM

50 cent doesn't know how to market himself well; marketers with advanced degrees in advertising and psychology know how to market him well. He is merely a puppet.
And your point is?

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 12:16 PM

When that is the only goal, then yes.
In the case of 50 Cent, probably. There is a huge difference between striving to be comfortable, which is how most Americans define financial success, and striving to amass the largest quantities of money known to man, which is greed. If you're accusing the USA at large of greed under the same rubric as 50 cent you're delusional.

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 12:22 PM

How is it that you support free speech and at the same time support its denial?
Look up public. Look up private. Someone, get him a dictionary!

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 12:23 PM

Way to be late to the party- sorry for the massive # of posts- he incited rage in me and he's not even 50 Cent!

d'Anconia

11-14-2005, 01:32 PM

Yeah he's a definite troll. I assume he is banned by now but good job TwiloMike for laying some hat on his candy ass.

khalid05

11-14-2005, 01:34 PM

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thats the "you can't see me" move. I think John Cena, from WWE, started that. But its funny as hell.

And that guy, Der Kopfwerfer(or whatever), sounded bit too narrow minded and racist. And I don't think members of this board should tolerate racist/discriminatory views of any shape or form. thanks you very much.

TwiloMike

11-14-2005, 02:34 PM

Yeah he's a definite troll. I assume he is banned by now but good job TwiloMike for laying some hat on his candy ass.
Thanks, man. That moron lit a light under me and as I reached for my Uzi I realized that it would be the wrong thing to do, so I just poked holes in his tripe instead. :windup: