Pure Deca / Test 1st cycle

[gonzoflick]

OK guys Ive read the stickys so Im going to post my bio here and what Im planning.

Im 22 6'0 and 184lb right now.

Ive been trainining on and off since I was 12 (mostly on). I am in good athletic shape but being tall I am not huge for 184lb. I can bench 250lb right now. Id like to get up to 200lb even with this cycle and keep as much as I can.

Right now I have 1 bottle of Decca 200mg (human from pharmacy) and will be getting some Test 250mg. My friend who gets me this works for the pharmacy and also does a ton of gear. He says that test 400+mg is full of bacteria and he only uses 250mg. Anyways I am going to stack these two over 8 weeks? 10 if you all think 10 is better.

I plan on making a strict diet and following it. Eating roughly 6 times per day at around 3,500 calories and 200 grams protein. Does this sound good?

Also I have told my friend I need clomid for PCT. he says he only uses shots of HCG for PCT? I have also read people saying Nolvalex (sp?) should be used during the cycle? Which of these three should I get? I would like to cut down on the number of spikes I take so an oral things would be better for me. Is Nolva oral? Also would shots of HCG for PCT alone be enough? Is this OTC or would i need to "get" it as well.

I think 200mg deca with 250mg test and eating a ton should give me 15lb. What do you all think
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[HILL]

Well if you had read the stickies you wouldnt be asking half these questions. HCG is either used during the course or after your last shot but before you start pct. Nolva is oral and you should use either nolva or clomid for pct this is very important. Also if you have read the sticky why are you still going to use deca. if your buddy told you to use deca and he also said he only used HCG and nothing else for pct i would disregard everything he has ever said about anabolics. also at your weight and height i would aim for 4000 plus cals while on. however i think you should wait atleast another 6 months or a year to do a cycle as if you had done your research or even read the stickies you wouldnt be asking these questions. again dnt listen to your friend as it seems he doesnt know what he is saying PCT is as important if not more than the course itself

[gonzoflick]

Im not saying my friend doesnt do PCT. He is extremely fit and has been doing gear cycles for years. What do you mean by "if your buddy told you to use deca" . Whats wrong with a deca / test stack? I AM going to be taking clomid or nolva for PCT as I HAVE read how important it is. I was just asking about HCG. That was my first post on this site and I thank you for being so outwardly rude. I hope all members of this site do not reply so cynically.

[HILL]

If you read you post you state that your friend only uses shots of HCG for pct unless i am reading it wrong. also if you had read th stickies like you say an ideal first cycle is test only at 500mg a week. their is nothing wrong with a deca and test cycle however as in the sticky test only is recomended so you can see how your body reacts and you will get more than 15 lb gain from this if you diet/train correctly. i wasnt being outwardly rude i was answering questions which are already answerd in the stickies that you read

[Hatred]

OK guys Ive read the stickys so Im going to post my bio here and what Im planning.

Im 22 6'0 and 184lb right now
You do have a good base but others will say you can gain more weight naturally.
Ive been trainining on and off since I was 12 (mostly on). I am in good athletic shape but being tall I am not huge for 184lb. I can bench 250lb right now. Id like to get up to 200lb even with this cycle and keep as much as I can.
How much do you Squat,deadlift?
Right now I have 1 bottle of Decca 200mg (human from pharmacy) and will be getting some Test 250mg. My friend who gets me this works for the pharmacy and also does a ton of gear. He says that test 400+mg is full of bacteria and he only uses 250mg. Anyways I am going to stack these two over 8 weeks? 10 if you all think 10 is better. How big are these Bottles.. Also: BS on the bacteria thing. there is so much Alcohol in the High concentration gear that not even Powerman could escape Sober.IMHO. 10 weeks is too short. I'd take it to 16wks.

I plan on making a strict diet and following it. Eating roughly 6 times per day at around 3,500 calories and 200 grams protein. Does this sound good?
It sounds fabulous....if you weigh 100lbs. Try getting 2+grams of protein per Lb bodyweight. As far as Calories go? I hope you know how many cals it takes to maintain your weight. If not? Shame on you. Since you are doing the gear you should maximize your results while on. Try 4600 cals to bulk. For reference this is 200 cals less than my maintenance so I don't wanna hear how you can't eat.
Also I have told my friend I need clomid for PCT. he says he only uses shots of HCG for PCT? I have also read people saying Nolvalex (sp?) should be used during the cycle? Which of these three should I get? I would like to cut down on the number of spikes I take so an oral things would be better for me. Is Nolva oral? Also would shots of HCG for PCT alone be enough? Is this OTC or would i need to "get" it as well.
Some use just HCG. I'd do HCG at 500iu's throughout and then Clomid therapy afterward per the sticky.
I think 200mg deca with 250mg test and eating a ton should give me 15lb. What do you all think
??

200 and 375 sounds better.
If you do it right that 15lbs will come very quickly. If it doesn't ...examine your diet as that is the absolute most important thing over and above the drugs.

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OK guys Ive read the stickys so Im going to post my bio here and what Im planning.

Im 22 6'0 and 184lb right now.

Ive been trainining on and off since I was 12 (mostly on). I am in good athletic shape but being tall I am not huge for 184lb. I can bench 250lb right now. Id like to get up to 200lb even with this cycle and keep as much as I can.

Right now I have 1 bottle of Decca 200mg (human from pharmacy) and will be getting some Test 250mg. My friend who gets me this works for the pharmacy and also does a ton of gear. He says that test 400+mg is full of bacteria and he only uses 250mg. Anyways I am going to stack these two over 8 weeks? 10 if you all think 10 is better.

I plan on making a strict diet and following it. Eating roughly 6 times per day at around 3,500 calories and 200 grams protein. Does this sound good?

Also I have told my friend I need clomid for PCT. he says he only uses shots of HCG for PCT? I have also read people saying Nolvalex (sp?) should be used during the cycle? Which of these three should I get? I would like to cut down on the number of spikes I take so an oral things would be better for me. Is Nolva oral? Also would shots of HCG for PCT alone be enough? Is this OTC or would i need to "get" it as well.

I think 200mg deca with 250mg test and eating a ton should give me 15lb. What do you all think
??

First, I would suggest you keep your cals higher than that. Like 4-5k. And keep your protein higher than that as well. AAS will increase protein synthesis so more than 1-1.5/lbm is ok. You can use HCG or Nolva for PCT. How and when is what you have to worry about here. Nolva IS oral. Also, i would use HCG throughout the cycle and Nolva for PCT at the end for 3-4 weeks. You would need to "get" all the PCT stuff as well.

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Also what do you mean 200mg deca and 250mg test? like per week? I wouldnt go lower than 500/wk with the Test.

[Hatred]

Don't forget Nolva while on to protect Lipids and to prevent Gyno.

< See how nice I am to the N00b that does Homework?>

[Hatred]

]]']Also what do you mean 200mg deca and 250mg test? like per week? I wouldnt go lower than 500/wk with the Test.
If it's a first cycle..The TOTAL of the compounds should be around 500 give or take to gauge response and stuff.
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[SpecialK]

If you are 22 and only 184 at 6'0, I would think you have a ton of growth left without resorting to anabolics yet. I am 23, 6'0, 212, and started from 173 about 2 years ago, and my bf% hasn't increased that much. That was all naturally, and even I am not even considering using anabolics for some time.

Just my $.02

[gonzoflick]

Thanks for the replies guys. Yea I am going to see why my friend is opposed to 400mg test as that was originally what I requested from him. 4k in calories is more than Ive ever eaten but Ive found some good BB diet sites with recipies that shouldnt break my bank ($$). 2g/lb of protein shouldnt be that hard. Last night I had two cans of tuna spread onto 3 sandwitches of whole weat and a glass of milk. That alone was 110 grams protein. Its amazing how much you learn from those nutritional facts!

[BCC]

I just wanted to add that your friend is an idiot, since I didn't see it mentioned.

[smalls]

LOL, Agreed some of the biggest guys in my gym have used gear for years also and dont have a clue. Dont listen to someone simply because they have good genetics and respond well to gear.
I also think you should increase protein intake and up cals. I would just do 500+mg of test a week along but 250 deca and 350 test should be fine as well. Some people just respond in bad ways to deca (horrible recovery and limp wang dong)

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LOL, Agreed some of the biggest guys in my gym have used gear for years also and dont have a clue. Dont listen to someone simply because they have good genetics and respond well to gear.
I also think you should increase protein intake and up cals. I would just do 500+mg of test a week along but 250 deca and 350 test should be fine as well. Some people just respond in bad ways to deca (horrible recovery and limp wang dong)

lol come on man, its one or the other....limp wang or limp dong

[Hatred]

Wang Chun.

[MM]

I agree with the assessment that you've not nearly reached your genetic potential. I've only been training ~2 years, and I've gone from 165 pounds to 200 pounds. That being said, if you're going to juice -- you're going to juice. From what I've read, you certainly want to be using Nolva throughout the course of your cycle. I still might suggest not using for a few months; post your routine and so forth. Your comment that 4,000 calories is more than you've ever eaten suggests to me that you don't have your program dialed in well. I don't see why you'd accept the baggage that comes with AAS use without first seeing what you could accomplish if you bulked correctly.

[dw06wu]

Totally agreed with the abover poster as well, I've gotten as high as 267 naturally (I stopped using creatine around 250). I am about 3-4 inches taller than you and I have a decent amount of fat on me (~19%), but I still think there is a lot of room for improvement. At 6'0 and 184 it is clear to me that you have not mastered your dieting habits, a prerequisite for getting the most out of your gear cycling. Just my opinion, but I do not yet believe that you are ready to start a cycle, especially with deca and HCG. Since you are probably going to do a cycle regardless of what we say, why not at least stick to the first cycle sticky? Like above posters have mentioned, 500mg is fine.

[smalls]

I agree that based on your diet your probably not ready for this step. But basing someones elses potential on your potential is dumb. When I was 18 and started lifting I was 6' and 140lbs I got to 208, natty (but higher BF obviously). But what if someone started out at 185lbs same age, height and BF%, chances are he has a higher natural potential than I do.

I think being mentally and intillectually (knowledge regarding training, diet, drugs) ready is far more important than being close to your genetic potential, because after all genetic potential is pretty subjective.

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yeah, we all know people are going to do what they want. So I say give them advice to what they want and be done with it. Flaming is not necessary.

[rhett2go]

nice job Hatred! and to the point. what is one bottle of deca? how much test 250 are you getting? also, 400mg being full of bacteria is bunk. 50,100,200,250 and so on. the amount per mg has nothing to do with bacteria. you said you want to stay away from as many "spikes" as possible, then i suggest we work another cycle for you because the 8 week thing is going to be a bunch of spikes for very little return.
you said you "plan on making a strict diet and sticking to it" and nothing is more important than that. great idea. just a suggestion, do that for 3 months before you start a cycle so you can get used to it. it really isnt as easy as it sounds :cry:

now, when you are satisified with your diet (a few months from now) and understand the risks (arrest, small nuts, mood swings, high blood pressure and so on) you should run the beginner (and i know, no one likes that word) cycle. 500mg test e, 250mg mon and thurs, d-bol 30mg a day spread out. this way you get safe time to see how your body reacts to aas.

nolva or adex ed would be nice and clomid on the 300mg step down method is great pct (if you need the "step down method, pm me). as far as hcg, you probably wont need it with this cycle but if you do, i would wait until the end of the cycle.
2500iu's the 1st and 4th day of pct. that will give your nuts the kick they need, if necessary. the nolva through out and clomid at the end should be sufficient.

as for BCC's coment.....he is right on. let these guys tell you how to manage your cycle and tell your friend at the gym that you have decided to wait a little while.

we are all about the help, not the criticism :)

you will find a million different cycles and we just want you to be kind to your body and get GREAT resluts!

on a side note, you never ask what size pinz to use. hmmmmm?

rhett

[Gabrielle]

I think you are not ready because you have issues addressing nutrition and basic knowledge of aas. This is not a flame I am just calling it how I see it