Short prop cycle

[dbol man]

I know that prop is fast acting, so i was thinking about doing a 5 week cycle of just prop. Do you guys think that it would be a decent mass builder? Also, if so, what kinda dosage do ya think? This is far from a first cycle for me. I was looking to try something different to put on some size this winter. I'm 29 and have a very fast metabolism, so I'm a hard gainer when it comes to putting on size. Right now, I'm around 225 lbs. I plan on trying this and taking in a s@#t load of protien and calories. Let me know what ya think.

Thanks

[Hatred]

You list your diet for me and I'll tell you if it will be a massbuilder or not.
There is no such thing as a "hardgainer".
That is a term made popular by the supplement companies to cash in on the people that aren't dedicated enough to eat what it takes to gain weight.

500mgs+ Proper diet and training is enough to put on mass.

[rhett2go]

You list your diet for me and I'll tell you if it will be a massbuilder or not.
There is no such thing as a "hardgainer".
That is a term made popular by the supplement companies to cash in on the people that aren't dedicated enough to eat what it takes to gain weight.

500mgs+ Proper diet and training is enough to put on mass.

marketing and the media will make most people believe anything without knowing that they are falling for it. i wish the media didnt exist!! except maybe howard stern....if you consider him media :evillaugh

[spencerjrus]

marketing and the media will make most people believe anything without knowing that they are falling for it. i wish the media didnt exist!! except maybe howard stern....if you consider him media :evillaugh


howard stern is the ****, you gonna start paying for satellite to listen to him?

[Hatred]

I already have it and will never ever go back.

[rhett2go]

Xfm Rocks!!

[rhett2go]

I know that prop is fast acting, so i was thinking about doing a 5 week cycle of just prop. Do you guys think that it would be a decent mass builder? Also, if so, what kinda dosage do ya think? This is far from a first cycle for me. I was looking to try something different to put on some size this winter. I'm 29 and have a very fast metabolism, so I'm a hard gainer when it comes to putting on size. Right now, I'm around 225 lbs. I plan on trying this and taking in a s@#t load of protien and calories. Let me know what ya think.

Thanks

if you want to build mass you will need more than prop alone for 5 weeks. someting more like:

Cycle:
wk 1-4 D-bol 30mg/day (10mg morn/10mg lunch/10mg even)
wk 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk (250mg on Mon and Thurs)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk (200mg on Mon and Thurs)
wk 13-15 Test Prop 100mg/eod
wk 13-15 Winni 100mg/eod
wk 4-15 HCG 250iu/2xwk

Anti-e:
wk 1-15 Nolva 20mg/day
wk 1-15 Proviron 25mg/day (Good with Deca!)
or
wk 1-15 Arimidex .25mg/day

PCT 3 days after your last Test Prop injection:
wk 16-18 Clomid- 3 weeks with the 300mg stepping down method.
wk 16-19 Nolva- 4 weeks at 20mg/day or if taken thru cycle, continue till PCT completion.
wk 16 HCG 2500iu on the 1st and 4th day of PCT. This will give you a further kick for reinstating your endogenous testosterone levels.

you could take out the winni at the end, but why? you would need to eat 4500 cals a day (clean) and 300g protein, train and sleep.

All that being said, I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THIS CYCLE FOR YOU i am simply infroming you of what a good cycle looks like. now, go and do a lot of reading and ask some more questions.

BTW this cycle, as most, involves about 36 pokes over 15 weeks and will cost about $600-700.

rhett

[Shark]

Come on now rhett2go, you've been here long enough to know that you don't need all that crap to gain mass.

Keep it simple, test is best. Why use 5 different compounds? My advice would be to run a higher dosage of Test E and maybe add in Deca if you've got some experience and you know how to run your cycles. But really, there's no need for all that stuff if you're not pre-contest and a very experienced gear user.

[Hatred]

Wow? 6-700 dollars?!
Jeez. if I spent that much on gear it'd last me 4 yrs.

[Hatred]

Diet=Mass.

[rhett2go]

Come on now rhett2go, you've been here long enough to know that you don't need all that crap to gain mass.

Keep it simple, test is best. Why use 5 different compounds? My advice would be to run a higher dosage of Test E and maybe add in Deca if you've got some experience and you know how to run your cycles. But really, there's no need for all that stuff if you're not pre-contest and a very experienced gear user.

you dont "need" gear at all to gain. but to gain the way we want to it is necessary (debatable)

again as i stated, i am not recommending the cycle for him. but test and deca is a great combo to gain and the d-bol just for a jump start. i only threw the prop in because he apparantly already has it and using it at the end will keep him "on" right up to pct.

now let me state for the record. Chris Russow knows a million times more about gear and cycles than i do. and i am NOT arguing with him, just debating a little. :cool:

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I wouldnt recommend any winnie at all. I would just Run Test and D-bol if you want a little extra kick

[lilmase1153]

]]']I wouldnt recommend any winnie at all. I would just Run Test and D-bol if you want a little extra kick
In rhett2go's post he states he is not reccomending that cycle for him, just stating that the cycle he put up there was what a GOOD cycle should look like..


6-700 dollars for one cycle is kinda crazy.. Id rather homebrew my own **** at 1/3 the cost if not less. Of course I wouldnt homebrew everything just the test.

[Hatred]

Sheeit. homebrew it all.

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In rhett2go's post he states he is not reccomending that cycle for him, just stating that the cycle he put up there was what a GOOD cycle should look like..


6-700 dollars for one cycle is kinda crazy.. Id rather homebrew my own **** at 1/3 the cost if not less. Of course I wouldnt homebrew everything just the test.

oops sorry

[smalls]

I agree the cycle is far too much for a newb. But it looks layed out ok, except that 2500iu of hcg is overkill and 2 weeks of winstrol is useless, as is provirin at 25mg a day. Also most people like to run arimidex into their pct at least a week or two.


[QUOTE=Hatred]You list your diet for me and I'll tell you if it will be a massbuilder or not.
[QUOTE]

And that is the key.


I remember paying over 500 dollars for my first cycle. That would now buy me enough test to last me my entire life. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

[lilmase1153]

Sheeit. homebrew it all.
I wish I were a kitchen chemist bro..... I dont think I could trust my own ****

[f=ma]

smalls, could you maybe humor me and tell me why your first cycle costed $500+ but you can now do the same cycle for fractions??

[rhett2go]

I agree the cycle is far too much for a newb. But it looks layed out ok, except that 2500iu of hcg is overkill and 2 weeks of winstrol is useless, as is provirin at 25mg a day. Also most people like to run arimidex into their pct at least a week or two.


[QUOTE=Hatred]You list your diet for me and I'll tell you if it will be a massbuilder or not.
[QUOTE]

And that is the key.


I remember paying over 500 dollars for my first cycle. That would now buy me enough test to last me my entire life. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

the hcg isnt "necessary" but will give the boys a good kick start.

as for the proviron vs. adex, i have seen that debated a lot. pro seems to be better when using deca. again debatable.

but, as said above, all the gear in texas wont help if he isnt eating properly.

just finished forcing down 10oz of salmon. i would rather eat chalk.

later

[smalls]

smalls, could you maybe humor me and tell me why your first cycle costed $500+ but you can now do the same cycle for fractions??


My first cycle was purchased through a normal online supplier that has way too many mark ups. It was also human grade. Now I buy powder from china, the glassware and oils costs more than the actual hormone.

Of course this is all fictional and is someone PM's me for a source (who no longer accepts referals anyway) they will be banned.

[smalls]

[QUOTE=smalls]I agree the cycle is far too much for a newb. But it looks layed out ok, except that 2500iu of hcg is overkill and 2 weeks of winstrol is useless, as is provirin at 25mg a day. Also most people like to run arimidex into their pct at least a week or two.


[QUOTE=Hatred]You list your diet for me and I'll tell you if it will be a massbuilder or not.


the hcg isnt "necessary" but will give the boys a good kick start.

as for the proviron vs. adex, i have seen that debated a lot. pro seems to be better when using deca. again debatable.

but, as said above, all the gear in texas wont help if he isnt eating properly.

just finished forcing down 10oz of salmon. i would rather eat chalk.

later


The problem with the HCG is that higher doses are going to have more potential of desensatyzing the leydig cells. So just run it from week one until PCT starts. Or for 10 days during the end of the cycle at slightly higher doses but not 2500iu. Well since arimidex doesnt work with a non aromatizing androgen it may not be that usefull there, but why would proviron be any good at all on deca. Nolv is going to better anyway as it has posative effects on blood lipids.
Obviously a lot of this stuff is debatable and comes down to personal preferance.

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My first cycle was purchased through a normal online supplier that has way too many mark ups. It was also human grade. Now I buy powder from china, the glassware and oils costs more than the actual hormone.

Of course this is all fictional and is someone PM's me for a source (who no longer accepts referals anyway) they will be banned.

I have the 5g. conversion instructions but Im too lazy to order all the filters and glassware. I mean a friend of mine.

[Shark]

you dont "need" gear at all to gain. but to gain the way we want to it is necessary (debatable)

again as i stated, i am not recommending the cycle for him. but test and deca is a great combo to gain and the d-bol just for a jump start. i only threw the prop in because he apparently already has it and using it at the end will keep him "on" right up to pct.

No need for the D-Bol at the beginning, he would be better to just front load the test E to keep his test levels even over the cycle. Winnie is useless unless your pre-contest and even then I really think it does more harm then good. Throwing the prop in at the end IMO just upset your test levels. I am a big fan of simple test cycles with front-loading. Keep your test levels the same throughout the whole cycle and if you must add in another compound use the deca. But really, I think you need to have a lot of cycle experience under your belt before you "need" to use anything other then test. Not that i think its bad to experiment and see how your body reacts to other compounds but if you just want to throw on mass then front-load some test and up your calories.

Also, just call me Chris.

[rhett2go]

No need for the D-Bol at the beginning, he would be better to just front load the test E to keep his test levels even over the cycle. Winnie is useless unless your pre-contest and even then I really think it does more harm then good. Throwing the prop in at the end IMO just upset your test levels. I am a big fan of simple test cycles with front-loading. Keep your test levels the same throughout the whole cycle and if you must add in another compound use the deca. But really, I think you need to have a lot of cycle experience under your belt before you "need" to use anything other then test. Not that i think its bad to experiment and see how your body reacts to other compounds but if you just want to throw on mass then front-load some test and up your calories.

Also, just call me Chris.

sorry bro. about the chris russow thing instead of just chris.

i like what you have to say. and as i have said to other vets, i am not arguing as i dont think you are. just bouncing things off each other.


rhett

[Shark]

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