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BigRic
11-29-2005, 03:58 PM
Bunch of Pictures I took after a workout prolly 2 hours after the workout, and just ate dinner so the stomache is a lil bloated. 203 at around 6'0/6'1

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910aebc60d00000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910adc470a00000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910ac7c62100000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910ace471800000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910ab7c65100000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910ab2476400000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910abc476a00000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910aa0477600000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5cf08b3127cce95910aadc64b00000016108AZOXDVo0ctZ

I'm probably in about the 10% body fat range, the webcam isn't very good so definition is hard to see.

Meat_Head
11-29-2005, 04:05 PM
I only looked at the first pic, but Div. 1 curl jockey? Are you sure you're 205?

BigRic
11-29-2005, 04:06 PM
Oh yeah, and I'm looking to get about 210, 215 and continue running a 4.5/4.4 - 40 and a 4.1 to 4.0 20 yard shuttle.

BigRic
11-29-2005, 04:07 PM
I only looked at the first pic, but Div. 1 curl jockey? Are you sure you're 205?

yeah 203 at the end of my workout.

BigRic
11-29-2005, 04:08 PM
I only looked at the first pic, but Div. 1 curl jockey? Are you sure you're 205?
and I'm definately not a curl jockey, I've hit a 275lb hang clean, Box squat 400, bench is weak measily 260 range, but I'm working on it.

dw06wu
11-29-2005, 05:24 PM
Legs look kinda small for a 400 squat but whatever, no point in arguing. Good pics, keep eating and you will hit 210 easily.

gator
11-29-2005, 05:32 PM
What school do you play for? I agree you dont look 205, more like 190 ish if your 10% BF. However you said your camera sucked and I know that can make a pretty big difference. Good luck on football next year.

BigRic
11-29-2005, 05:49 PM
Central Michigan. and I agree I don't look 200 pounds but thats what the scale said.

500squat
11-29-2005, 07:26 PM
Looking good BigRic.....I played ball at Idaho State years ago! Hey don't you have a WR from Vanier College(Montreal,Canada)? I also went to the same prep as him.

BigRic
11-29-2005, 08:03 PM
Looking good BigRic.....I played ball at Idaho State years ago! Hey don't you have a WR from Vanier College(Montreal,Canada)? I also went to the same prep as him.
Oh meng you know Obed? yah he's cool. theres one other Canadian on the team.

500squat
11-29-2005, 08:07 PM
Who is the other Canadian? I don't know Obed personally, I just know that he came out of the same prep as me here in Montreal. This school is football powerhouse, we had 11 guys in my senior year sign D1. I heard Obed is doing great !

gator
11-29-2005, 08:09 PM
Are you on football scholarship, or did you walk on?

BigRic
11-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Yah he's doing pretty well the other kid is a kid from Toronto...and yeah I've heard of Vanier, great prep school.

BigRic
11-29-2005, 08:11 PM
Are you on football scholarship, or did you walk on?
Scholly.

500squat
11-29-2005, 08:15 PM
Good luck with training and football!

cwm
11-29-2005, 09:27 PM
wow the first thing i thought too was that you dont look 203 lbs...especially since you are so lean. But those are some impressive lifts for a guy your size...260 bench is not bad. Maybe the pics are bad im so confused.

Bohizzle
11-29-2005, 09:29 PM
i understand why people would think that ur lifts are suspect, however i give u the benefit of the doubt, knowing that strength does not necessarily mean size. On that note, looking very lean and balanced, keep eating! And i'd say ur prolly lower than 10... maybe 8?

Andrew

BigRic
11-29-2005, 09:42 PM
Okay, you're right I lied, I hang clean 135lbs, my bench is 175, and my box squat is 225 with chains. Yet I run a 4.4/4.5 and have tested at 38.5 inches on the vertical both on a pad and on the one where you hit bars, I've jumped over 10 feet ina broadjump, and i've run a sub 4 t-drill. I'm telling you what I know why would I lie? theres a reason I'm a div. 1a athlete.

gator
11-29-2005, 10:15 PM
There isn't a good reason for him to lie, and if he even was who cares. Good luck with football man, it's a fun game.

smalls
11-29-2005, 11:37 PM
Lots of people post questionable stuff on this site. I personally dont find any of those stats all that questionable. People of the same height/weight can look very very different.

500squat
11-30-2005, 06:59 AM
There is no reason for him to lie. Football training is very specific. When I was playing D1 we lifted as a group all the time and had to improve all the time. Football players really work hard on power and explosive movements. My football training and power movements such as squats, power and hang cleans,and jerks really set the foundation and strength needed in order to play at that level. I think his claims are real!

deeder
11-30-2005, 07:39 AM
I believe the guy... I look like all my lifts should be a ton higher than they really are... People are just built and train differently.

Also, after having looked at those last pics of your legs... Dude, clean your room. :P

BigRic
11-30-2005, 08:08 AM
My roomates mess.

BCC
11-30-2005, 08:53 AM
At over 6 feet tall and 200 pounds he looks exactly like I would expect, so I don't know why that's being disputed. And your thighs look pretty thick in that hamstring shot so I'm sure you carry some extra weight there.

MM
11-30-2005, 08:56 AM
Agreed. You guys are nuts if you don't think he's what he says he is. I'm 6'2" and a little over 200lbs, and we look pretty similar.

Meat_Head
11-30-2005, 06:31 PM
Okay, you're right I lied, I hang clean 135lbs, my bench is 175, and my box squat is 225 with chains. Yet I run a 4.4/4.5 and have tested at 38.5 inches on the vertical both on a pad and on the one where you hit bars, I've jumped over 10 feet ina broadjump, and i've run a sub 4 t-drill. I'm telling you what I know why would I lie? theres a reason I'm a div. 1a athlete.

Those plyometric, speed, and agility drill numbers can be accomplished with unimpressive maximal strength. Why would you lie? The same reason every guy here who lies about their stats does - attention.

Like I said, there are alot of div. 1a athletes who's stats that are presented at games, to other teams, or whoever are blown way out of proportion for the purpose of intimidation or any other number of reasons. It happens in the NFL, college is no different. Example of this in Div. 1A football:
http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/HS_Football/8_TimCastille.JPG
Castille is listed at 5'11, 236lbs.... do you REALLY think that's true?

BigRic
11-30-2005, 06:40 PM
Okay I guess I must be some sort of freak, because I have hang cleaned 275, maybe the pictures are deceptive I don't know, but I'm not lieing about anything you could phone up our strength coach and ask him when he weighed me he wrote down 201, I believe, and the 275 hangclean was a max rep, I'm sure that good college lineman can do better than that although I do catch the bar very low which may be the reason for my success.

MM
11-30-2005, 07:01 PM
200 or more pounds at 6'0 and LEAN is much bigger than that. I'm 186, about 15% bodyfat, and a half inch under 6 feet tall and I look much bigger than that.. I mean look at his legs! Unless he's over 6'1, he probably doesn't break 185-190 and he sure as hell doesn't powerclean 275(that's a weight college linemen 100lbs heavier than him use). People who CAN powerclean 275 at 200lbs have very well developed posterior chain muscles, especially traps... certainly not just big biceps. Sure there's variation between people, not everyone who is 6'0 200lbs and lean is gonna look the same, but from those pics that looks like a big stretch.

Sorry, nope. His quad shot is a very poor angle, but you can tell he has a lot of leg mass on the hammy shot. On the front relaxed he looks pretty thick. People can look deceptive -- one way or the other. I've often been told that I look a little heavier than I am; I have no trouble believing his weight. I admit that the hangclean PR sounds iffy -- but you never know.

I think you should stop being so vociferous here; I don't think your intentions are necessarily bad, but you're coming across kind of badly.

lector606
11-30-2005, 07:08 PM
200 or more pounds at 6'0 and LEAN is much bigger than that. I'm 186, about 15% bodyfat, and a half inch under 6 feet tall and I look much bigger than that.. I mean look at his legs! Unless he's over 6'1, he probably doesn't break 185-190 and he sure as hell doesn't powerclean 275(that's a weight college linemen 100lbs heavier than him use). People who CAN powerclean 275 at 200lbs have very well developed posterior chain muscles, especially traps... certainly not just big biceps. Sure there's variation between people, not everyone who is 6'0 200lbs and lean is gonna look the same, but from those pics that looks like a big stretch.

Dude not picking sides just saying that I am 17 years old and around 165 pounds depending on time of day/water intake and I can power clean 195 pounds (I have hang cleaned my bodyweight once but never tried to do more). I don't even train the power clean I haven't done it more than five times in my life. A 275 hang clean isn't really unbelievable if he trains it but maybe progression just gets way harder and I'm off base.

I have friends that don't work out who are 6'3 200 that aren't even as big as this guy. I believe his stats.

Patz
11-30-2005, 07:24 PM
I'm 186, about 15% bodyfat, and a half inch under 6 feet tall and I look much bigger than that..

No, you don't..

It's obvious that his weight is in his quads. You've been hating on his pics from post one. I don't get it..

KeMiKaL
11-30-2005, 07:37 PM
so how did you get noticed? did you send them film? or did they go to a combine you were at?

also you're listed as 190 on the roster...but that just makes your lifts even more impressive hehe

BigRic
11-30-2005, 08:08 PM
I got a scholarship in the summer through contacts n such. I've gone to a Nike combine and got 86.3 sparq rating, I weighed 189 when they weighed me in the summer, I came in to summer camp at 194, and now I'm slightly over 200, which is why I may possible be moving to Safety, Hang Clean was never a strong point but when I got here I began using better form catching the weight lower, and thats how I hit the big PB, I still need to work on the bench though.

Bohizzle
11-30-2005, 08:08 PM
No, you don't..

It's obvious that his weight is in his quads. You've been hating on his pics from post one. I don't get it..

:withstupi It's like BigRic killed his favourite pet or something, why such anger? Could it be jealousy?! :windup:

Andrew

HelpMeLift
11-30-2005, 08:22 PM
damn a 275 clean is crazy! i have trouble doing 135 for 12.

BigRic
11-30-2005, 08:37 PM
wtf are you doing sets of 12 for?

gator
11-30-2005, 09:23 PM
wtf are you doing sets of 12 for?

Haha seriously dude, 5 reps is about the most I would do on cleans. Do most of you guys still do cleans, I did them for football, but dont do them anymore.

BigRic
11-30-2005, 09:49 PM
Cleans are awesome, to think about We never really do concentration exercises.

Meat_Head
11-30-2005, 11:10 PM
Okay I guess I must be some sort of freak, because I have hang cleaned 275, maybe the pictures are deceptive I don't know, but I'm not lieing about anything you could phone up our strength coach and ask him when he weighed me he wrote down 201

That's what I'm talking about. Obviously, your coach and team have no problem with bumping up the weight of a player 5-10lbs over what it is for intimidation purposes. That being said, after looking at your pics again you do have good quads which might make up for that weight(although a better pic is needed to tell), although I'm still very doubtful.


I believe, and the 275 hangclean was a max rep, I'm sure that good college lineman can do better than that although I do catch the bar very low which may be the reason for my success.

You're telling me you can take a 275lbs barbell, stand with it at arms length, slightly dip down and clean it with good form? If you'd have said full clean, it would've been one thing. You're upper body doesn't look like it could come close to handling a hang clean at 275. Is it impossible? No... I was only expressing my doubt.

Once again, I'm not questioning your athletic ability, speed, agility, or anything like that, I'm questioning your claimed bodyweight and strength. I'm sure you have alot of knowledge to offer, which I'd love to hear too. Its not a big deal, no reason for anyone here to make asses of themselves(as a few have already jumped to). If you'd have said you were something like 6'0-6'1, 190-195lbs, with maybe a 220lb powerclean I would've said keep up the good work!

Crip you weren't at 7-9% bodyfat like this guy is. If you were, how bout a pic to prove it?

Here are some old pics mrelwood... I'm not showing these out of jealousy, only to show you what 181lbs at 5'11.5" looks like compared to the proposed 6'0 205lb pics. Again... its NOT a big deal, don't take it so seriously.

dw06wu
11-30-2005, 11:18 PM
I think also you guys are confusing powerclean with a hang full clean. Its about 10 times easier to hang full clean 275 than it is to power clean 275.

Meat_Head
11-30-2005, 11:41 PM
Hold on, what does this have to do with my strength?
I'm not the tool being an angry dick for no reason. When there are multiple people saying that u are an *******, and no one defending you, you should really take a step back.


From the beginning I've asserted that the reason I was questioning some of his stats was because they are a bit outrageous, and if you read more than one person said the same thing, thus agreeing with me. I agree I was a bit aggressive unnecissarily and I apologize for that, but he doesn't look like a 6'0 200lb guy who can hang clean 275lbs to me and I'm not the only one. Oh, and how do you go off thinking that you acting like a ******* is going to make me change my mind or realize I'm wrong:

"It's like BigRic killed his favourite pet or something, why such anger? Could it be jealousy?!"

"I don't"

Bohizzle
11-30-2005, 11:51 PM
Sorry bud, if u could read the numbers and letters in my sig, u'd realize that it said "On the road to 230." and "09/05 Squat - 225x2" meaning that i am not yet 230, but on the 5th of september i squatted 225lbs for 2 reps.
However, now that we've gotten that straightened out, i have no problems with u questioning his strength and i am not trying to change ur mind, but i see no reason as to why u are seemingly so angry. My whole point was never about u being wrong. It was about u being an *******. But now that u've apologized for it, that's done with.

Andrew

Patz
12-01-2005, 02:31 AM
Sorry xMeat_Headx..you're not only not 'much bigger' in those pics, but you aren't as defined or even as big overall. I've seen your pics before, which is why I went ahead and said what I did. I even looked at them again, along with Ric's..

Who would lie on here about 50lbs on a hang clean, and 10lbs on a scale anyway? Not to mention that Ric's been around here a while, and doesn't have a rep for making unsubstantiated claims. I'm sure that he, like the rest of us, has weighed himself enough to know where he's at within a couple pounds despite what the weight room's 'exaggerated' scale says anyway.

Everyone else, lay off the personal insults..it's not necessary to make a point.

I have no mod powers in members pics, damnit! I would be editing like mad! ;)

Meat_Head
12-01-2005, 11:54 AM
Sorry bud, if u could read the numbers and letters in my sig, u'd realize that it said "On the road to 230." and "09/05 Squat - 225x2" meaning that i am not yet 230, but on the 5th of september i squatted 225lbs for 2 reps.
However, now that we've gotten that straightened out, i have no problems with u questioning his strength and i am not trying to change ur mind, but i see no reason as to why u are seemingly so angry. My whole point was never about u being wrong. It was about u being an *******. But now that u've apologized for it, that's done with.

Andrew

My mistake, don't know how I missed that; and I was being overly angry.

Meat_Head
12-01-2005, 12:00 PM
Sorry xMeat_Headx..you're not only not 'much bigger' in those pics, but you aren't as defined or even as big overall. I've seen your pics before, which is why I went ahead and said what I did. I even looked at them again, along with Ric's..


I know you've seen my pics before, and I know my bodyfat is much higher, but that just supports what I was saying more. That guy looks like he has the quads of a 205lb person, but his upperbody lacks that kind of mass completely which is why I questioned it in the first place. I don't consider myself huge or where I want to be at all, but I think its still obvious that there's alot more mass in my entire back, shoulders, arms, and possibly chest when I weighed 181 at almost the same height than he has at the weight he says he is, regardless of bodyfat.



Who would lie on here about 50lbs on a hang clean, and 10lbs on a scale anyway? Not to mention that Ric's been around here a while, and doesn't have a rep for making unsubstantiated claims. I'm sure that he, like the rest of us, has weighed himself enough to know where he's at within a couple pounds despite what the weight room's 'exaggerated' scale says anyway.

Everyone else, lay off the personal insults..it's not necessary to make a point.

I have no mod powers in members pics, damnit! I would be editing like mad! ;)

No personal insults, like I said I want to learn as much from his knowledge as you guys. He has low body fat and obviously his body performs on the field, and he knows how to train it that way. As for a 275lb hangclean, and 400lb box squat... its not impossible, but I'd still be REALLY suprised just based on his posterior chain development.

SalahG
12-01-2005, 12:11 PM
I have no doubts about Ric's claims. At my school we had 6 guys under 200lbs. squat 450+. Even more for 300+ Benchers. Let's not even get to cleans. That is one lift where it is more practice and power generation then strength. I saw 185 lbs. DB's out Power Cleaning 300 lbs. defensive lineman. No joke.

Meat_Head
12-01-2005, 12:34 PM
I have no doubts about Ric's claims. At my school we had 6 guys under 200lbs. squat 450+. Even more for 300+ Benchers. Let's not even get to cleans. That is one lift where it is more practice and power generation then strength. I saw 185 lbs. DB's out Power Cleaning 300 lbs. defensive lineman. No joke.

Thats pretty incredible, but I can see how it would be possible with a ton of focus on form and explosion. Now if those DB's could powerclean(no low squats to catch the bar) or hang clean(w/ no low squat to catch the bar) 275+lbs, that would be insane strength.

Adam
12-01-2005, 01:31 PM
I have no mod powers in members pics, damnit! I would be editing like mad! ;)

I do so I'm deleting all the Bull ****.
If anyone posts anymore **** there getting a Strike against them.

spencerjrus
12-01-2005, 04:16 PM
I only looked at the first pic, but Div. 1 curl jockey? Are you sure you're 205?


How are you going to look at one pic and make that comment? His wheels arent half bad for his size.

Adam
12-01-2005, 06:55 PM
Spencer, that comment is now null and void.
I had to delete a bunch of stuff related to it.

I'm just going to close this thread.