injection pain

[iron7]

Hi fellow juicers just joined and got a couple of questions for you. My stats are 261 pounds, height 5-11, probably 20 pct or worse bodyfat, lifting for 5 years got more serious during the last, max bench 405, 28 years old, routines consist of heavy lifting with sets done to failure before 6 reps, workout days as follows.
Day#1 upperbody
Day#2 lowerbody
Day#3,4,5 off
Day#6 repeat
This is a vague description of me and my workout schedule do to the fact that my dumbass somehow erased the detailed one I just did and my wife is yelling at me to go to bed. So after spending quite a bit of money at my local gnc so I could get huge and realizing most of the stuff I was using was not going to get me to huge I started lookling down a new and exciting road of steroids. After looking at the positive and negative sides of the juice for four months it was an easy choice for me to start down the road of steroids. I decided to start a mass cycle with d-bol,sust 250, and deca dura. During the cycle I will use 100 10mg pills britdrag d-bol,7 amps sust, 2500mgs deca using the paramid system. Now for my questoins?
#1- best way to take d-bol say 30mgs day all at once, twice a day or take 5 mgs every three hours. I know about the short half life of d-bol but just wondering what everbody thinks is best.
#2- was to impatient to wait for my needles to start so went and got 3cc vet needles with 20 gauge needles and injected yesterday with little pain now it feels like leg is bruised were I did the injections wondering how much pain is normal it hurts enough to make me walk a little after sitting do to pain
Injected 1 amp sust right thigh 250 mgs deca left thigh.
#3 I also bought some fina-H was wondering if 60mgs transdermally with DMSO during this cycle would benefit anything. It seems most serious juicers like making their own injectable with it but I feel I dont know enough about how to do it to be somewhat safe. Thanks for your time, looking foward to any replys from people who know what the hell they are doing with the juice because I really dont besides what I learned from the different websites and a couple books. Even though I dont know much about it I am pretty damn excited about this cycle.

[Hatred]

I like to take Dbol before my workouts.
about an Hour beforehand actually.
Make your own injectable.
If you can make cookies; you can make fina.

[Hatred]

What exactly is your diet like?
I'm talking carbs,fat, AND protein as well as calories.

[iron7]

Right now I am eating about 5000 cals day about 300 grams protien a day eaten every 3 to 4 hours the rest is a mixture of healty food and junkfood which I am not to paticular about since I am trying to put on as much muscle as possible.

[Shark]

Honestly I think you're too fat to be on gear bulking right now. Diet down either naturally or use the sust to cut down to 10-12%. At your current height and weight you would probably look killer. Then start in on a mass builder.

If you're going to be using that much stuff you need to have a solid diet in place. That means macro breakdown, not just eat everything you see.

[DarkSmurf]

What made you decide on this as a first cycle? At least you're not doing the deca by itself, so thats good. Im about 6' myself and I agree with Chris' opinion. What are some of your goals anyway?

To everyone else: Whats the consensus on pyramiding the deca anyway? Im curious. I've been away from the boards for a little while and never looked into deca.

Edit: ^^ Found my answer.

[iron7]

what is the best way to check bodyfat the best description I can think of is right now I wear size 38 inch waist pants and when i was 18 years old I was down to 150 pounds and I wore a 34 inch waist.

[iron7]

I wanted to put on some muscle and I am not strict enough around the holidays to try to diet successfully I plan on starting dieting after chistmas to get in shape by april 15th when I go on vacation.
My goals are to get over a 21 inch arm, bench 500lbs, and compete locally in bodybuilding sometime in the next two years.

[HahnB]

I wanted to put on some muscle and I am not strict enough around the holidays to try to diet successfully I plan on starting dieting after chistmas to get in shape by april 15th when I go on vacation.
My goals are to get over a 21 inch arm, bench 500lbs, and compete locally in bodybuilding sometime in the next two years.

What do you mean "the holidays"? It's thanksgiving and christmas dinner. Lets call it 4 meals. Big deal. If you're on a strict diet eating big on thanksgiving/day after and christmas eve/day isn't going to kill you.

[RBB]

i don't know why you'd want to pyramid with deca, iron7. i can understand tapering it off the last few weeks of your cycle because of the long ester, but pyramiding with anything is pretty pointless. and only 7 amps of sust? it looks like the deca is the base of your cycle. most like to do it the other way around. using test as the base is the way to go.

i agree with chris, you might want to run a cutting cycle with the sust first. 20% bf is a little high to start a bulk.

[Hatred]

When I was 262 (@6'2 and w/ a 34in waist) I was eating 7200 cals and 400grams of protein for reference.
Being "Not too strict about the rest" is no way to take something as serious as AAS.
Use the time you are on effectively.
Gear ain't cheap, make the most of it.

[Hatred]

BTW, what do you have lined up for Post Cycle Therapy?

[iron7]

I have 25,000 IU of HCG on hand and 80 tabs nolvadex.I was wondering if using hcg during cycle does anythiing? I have read different views on the subject, most say to start it when your longest lasting roid wears off, which in the case of sust or deca seems they say 2 weeks after last shot. Ive read other information with people saying their balls never shut down after the cycle when using between 1500 and 3000 IU week during cycle.
For a comment on my weight after doing a bodyfat perc. analysis I am at 16 to 17 pct. I know this may be high if I want to look more defined but all I know is since I put on 28lbs in the last four months my bench has went up 60 lbs. My goal right now is to put on as much muscle as possible while on this cycle and I would rather put on some fat from to many calories then starve my muscles from any extra calories they may need when tearing them down. One thing I do know is it seems the more I weigh (as long as I am not competing for Mr. Pilllsbury Doughboy) the more weight I can throw up which in the end will build more muscle. Losing 20lbs of fat is alot easier for more than putting on 20lbs of muscle thats why I would rather give my muscles more then enough calories to grow on. Anyway one of my favorite parts of a power and bulk routine is eating as much as I want when I feel I need to. I learn to appreciate this time so much because of what the future months will bring with the stricter dieting and all the counting of calories. And another reason I dont mind putting on some extra fat this time of year is that the temperature stays around an average of 5 degrees above zero (farenheight). My legs feel better today I think the main problem for the pain was the (pencil I put in my leg) thanks to a anomynous source. thank you guys for taking the time to reply to my questions.

[HILL]

80 tabs of nolva what miligrma that may not be enough. Also a 38 inch waist at 17% bf doesnt seem right to me how did you check ure bf. id also suggest geting ureself some more sust and leaving the deca for another cycle. read the first cycle sticky it will give u everything you could possibly want out of a first cycle

[JustinASU]

Using 500IUs of HCG twice a week during cycle will keep your boys from ever atrophying. Alternatively, you can begin taking HCG immediately after your last shot and continue to use it until the chemicals exit your body. You wouldn't want to use it beyond that because HCG will keep you supressed.

[Hatred]

All in all though you seem to have your bases covered. :thumbup:

[iron7]

Hey guys. Just want to know what you guys think is normal for pain after injection. When I injected last wed pain on thur and fri was bad enough to were I had trouble walking. Started getting better sat but didnt completely go away untill monday. Did second week of shots this wed and pain was less but still bad enough to were I could not move the muscle injected wittout feeling like sombody hit it with a hammer the day before. Now its sat morning and the pain has eased alot sooner then last week. Even though it still feels like somebody slugged me yesterday in the shoulder and the leg. I thought it was the needle size 20gau but I did 1500iu HCG mon in the left shoulder followed by no pain at all. Wondering if anybody ever experienced anything like this. Products are ligit BD sust and deca. I can live with the pain but it makes it hard to squat 500lbs when I have trouble even walking do to the pain a day after the injections. I have been switching sites every week. Well got to go to work be back around 6pm my time now 7:30am. Thanks guys.

[Shark]

Too much BA? That's a pretty big needle bro.

[smalls]

Wait, why are you doing 1500iu's of HCG in one shot and why are you using a 20g needle to do so?

[iron7]

I got info from a couple of different sources saying 1500iu once a week during cycle was the way to do it. If not please let me know a better way. The reason for the 20ga needles is because the needles I ordered never showed up so I went to a vet store and bought 100 3cc 20ga needles (which were the smallest they had) and started my cycle.

[HahnB]

I got info from a couple of different sources saying 1500iu once a week during cycle was the way to do it. If not please let me know a better way. The reason for the 20ga needles is because the needles I ordered never showed up so I went to a vet store and bought 100 3cc 20ga needles (which were the smallest they had) and started my cycle.

You didn't happen to get that info from big cats steroid profiles on bb.com did you? I know it uses 1500iu shots from what I remember reading about hcg on there. Damn man, 20g needles, I can't even imagine.

[iron7]

I just recieved the needles I which I said never showed up and to my suprise the needle diameter didnt seem much smaller to me. The needles I ordered were 2mil width by 1.5 inch length the ones I am currently using as you know are 20gau by 1 inch. The thing is that for the 20gau I paid $17.84 US dollars for 100 of them and for the others I paid 28.97 US dollars for 20 of them.

[HahnB]

I just recieved the needles I which I said never showed up and to my suprise the needle diameter didnt seem much smaller to me. The needles I ordered were 2mil width by 1.5 inch length the ones I am currently using as you know are 20gau by 1 inch. The thing is that for the 20gau I paid $17.84 US dollars for 100 of them and for the others I paid 28.97 US dollars for 20 of them.

Where are you buying your needles at? 30 bucks for 20 needles? Go to www.getpinz.com

[Hatred]

Damn. at the above link you'd get 100 pinz,20 gauges to draw with, and alcohol wipeys.

[iron7]

Thanks for info on pins. What is the most common size you guys like to use.

[smalls]

Well HCG doesnt need to be shot IM, so why not just use a tiny as slin pin and not worry about scar tissue. Also I would do 500iu every 3 days.