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Votorx
12-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Ok I know its advisable to have a protein shake right after a workout, but I work out real late (from 8:00 to 10:00) and by the time I get home and have a protein shake I'm going to sleep like 30 - 1 hour later. Is it "healthy" for me to be drinking a shake so late? If the proetin shake is just sittin in my stomache when I go to sleep, isn't that a bad thing?

ShockBoxer
12-01-2005, 10:15 PM
I'm finishing up a protein shake before going to bed right now.

So... I hope not.

Lots of people have a glass of milk before bed... what's wrong with padding it with a little whey?

Shao-LiN
12-01-2005, 10:22 PM
isn't that a bad thing?

Reason out for me why you think this is a bad thing? Do you think your metabolism shuts down while you sleep? You know you still burn calories just by being alive, right?

Nongan
12-01-2005, 11:06 PM
Ok I know its advisable to have a protein shake right after a workout, but I work out real late (from 8:00 to 10:00) and by the time I get home and have a protein shake I'm going to sleep like 30 - 1 hour later. Is it "healthy" for me to be drinking a shake so late? If the proetin shake is just sittin in my stomache when I go to sleep, isn't that a bad thing?

Just by common sense it wouldn't be bad for you. Your body repairs your muscles the most while your sleeping and your metabalism doesn't shut down at night, thats why you go to bed full, and wake up hungry :cool:. If its an issue that you feel too lazy to make a shake that late, just make it before you go to workout, stick in the fridge, and drink it when you come home.

Spartacus
12-02-2005, 12:28 AM
you need protein 24.7

Votorx
12-02-2005, 04:37 AM
My parents brought it up, just thought that because the protein is sitting in my stomache when I go to sleep, that I would end up gaining more weight than losing it, but that doesn't make too much sense.

ShockBoxer
12-02-2005, 06:08 AM
Well, that is the reasoning behind sumo bulking, where they eat their huge ass meal and immediately go to sleep to minimalize energy expenditure so they can get the most fat put on per meal.

How the ancient and tested method holds up to the light of science I haven't a clue.

Mr Joshua
12-02-2005, 03:25 PM
Pre mix the shake and bring it with you to the gym. Either drink it right after your workout, or start slowly drinking it about 3/4 of the way through your workout.

bigsethmeister
12-02-2005, 05:16 PM
There's nothing wrong with that at all. Most of us here, even on a cut, eat immediately before bed.

Holto
12-03-2005, 03:30 PM
The only problem is without carbs the protein is wasted. Most of it would be converted to sugar.

Adam
12-03-2005, 03:57 PM
If I don't eat before bed I have lousy sleep and I wake up starving in the A.M.
Cuting or bulking i eat before bed.

getfit
12-03-2005, 04:12 PM
If I don't eat before bed I have lousy sleep and I wake up starving in the A.M.
Cuting or bulking i eat before bed.
:withstupi cottage cheese,pb, fruit, right before bed

Holto
12-03-2005, 05:05 PM
Cottage cheese, strawberry Muscle-milk, soy milk, grape juice, blend and enjoy.

ShockBoxer
12-03-2005, 07:28 PM
The only problem is without carbs the protein is wasted. Most of it would be converted to sugar.

That's another reason I take my whey mixed with milk, not water.

ryuage
12-03-2005, 07:33 PM
everyone knows you cant eat after 6 p.m

ShockBoxer
12-03-2005, 08:17 PM
8 pm is the cut off time all the women in the office I work at swear by.

Holto
12-04-2005, 09:25 AM
That's another reason I take my whey mixed with milk, not water.

PWO the milk will bump up your carbs but barely. You would still be wasting alot of it. You would be better off to just take 50 grams of carbs.

ShockBoxer
12-04-2005, 10:13 AM
I eat dinner post work out, typically. Actually, I tend to eat all night post work out...

I'm done with the gym by 7 or 7:30 pm, I go home, drink the shake, hit the shower, and then eat or make dinner. I try and have something with carbs in it during a lift day dinner... even if it's just sweet and sour or pasta sauce on my chicken breast.

I also tend to eat a lot of carbs BEFORE the workout. If I go into a workout having eaten 50 grams of carbs a few hours before wouldn't there still be some left to help with the post workout protein (I probably eat 50 to 75% of my daily protein post workout)?

cphafner
12-04-2005, 10:20 AM
My parents brought it up, just thought that because the protein is sitting in my stomache when I go to sleep, that I would end up gaining more weight than losing it, but that doesn't make too much sense.

If that protein isn't there your body is going to find another source (ie. your muscle). IMO it's best to eat a slow acting protein such as casein found in milk and cottage cheese, and add some fats in there to make it digested even more slow. Your body still needs fuel even though your sleeping.

Holto
12-04-2005, 03:57 PM
I eat dinner post work out, typically. Actually, I tend to eat all night post work out...

I'm done with the gym by 7 or 7:30 pm, I go home, drink the shake, hit the shower, and then eat or make dinner. I try and have something with carbs in it during a lift day dinner... even if it's just sweet and sour or pasta sauce on my chicken breast.

I also tend to eat a lot of carbs BEFORE the workout. If I go into a workout having eaten 50 grams of carbs a few hours before wouldn't there still be some left to help with the post workout protein (I probably eat 50 to 75% of my daily protein post workout)?

Solid.

HardToSquat
12-05-2005, 09:39 AM
Before I turn in for the night, I usually eat two Breakstone Cottage Cheese Fruit cups, 2 tablespoons of Flax Oil and 3 fish oil capsules. I'll add a protein shake on top of this on the day I workout and the day after. Total calories at night are maybe 550 without the shake and about 900 with the shake. And in the morning my stomach is growling.

Vapour Trails
12-05-2005, 11:52 AM
The only problem is without carbs the protein is wasted. Most of it would be converted to sugar.

This statement is incorrect. Maybe if you were starving for a period of time before ingesting the protein, but otherwise, it would simply not occur that way. The aminos would still be utilized for protein synthesis in the absence of carbs.

Holto
12-05-2005, 12:23 PM
This statement is incorrect. Maybe if you were starving for a period of time before ingesting the protein, but otherwise, it would simply not occur that way. The aminos would still be utilized for protein synthesis in the absence of carbs.

This is the first time you have ever disagreed without resorting to insult.

I don't understand how a body that is starving for energy after a heavy workout can just go ahead and partake in protein synthesis, one of the bodies most energy draining activities.

Your hepatic glycogen is tapped and your BGL is low, this alone will effect the rate of gluconeogenesis.

Even if your body was going to go ahead and sythesize protein where would the energy come from ? Muscle catabolism? Hepatic catabolism?

Vapour Trails
12-07-2005, 12:20 PM
This is the first time you have ever disagreed without resorting to insult.

I don't understand how a body that is starving for energy after a heavy workout can just go ahead and partake in protein synthesis, one of the bodies most energy draining activities.

Your hepatic glycogen is tapped and your BGL is low, this alone will effect the rate of gluconeogenesis.

Even if your body was going to go ahead and sythesize protein where would the energy come from ? Muscle catabolism? Hepatic catabolism?


Fatty acid oxidation. It is also unlikely that your stored carbohydrate is completely depleted after a workout.

All you have to do is consider a person on a low carb or no carb diet. If what you were saying were true, that protein consumed without carbs is converted mostly to sugar, that person would be unable to maintain their muscle mass. Observation shows this to be untrue. Many people using a PSMF diet maintain their LBM consuming almost nothing but protein. Sure a portion goes to making glucose, but this is a minority.

We could discuss this at length but to be honest, there isn't a complete understanding of all the dynamic processes occuring. But I can tell everyone without a doubt that protein consumed in the absence of carbs is not "wasted".

Holto
12-12-2005, 03:18 PM
Thanks

fletch
12-15-2005, 04:40 PM
everyone knows you cant eat after 6 p.m

Dude, what are you talking about! You can't eat after midnight. And no water! And no bright light!!!!