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Con
12-11-2005, 10:52 AM
I made a thread on cutting and most people got annoyed that I didnt search enough, well I learned my lesson, I searched a lot, read a lot, and am pretty sure I know what I'd like to do to get into shape. I was just hoping for a little help.
On a cyclical diet, it is recommended that on monday and tuesdays of the diet, you have trace carbs(what are they?). I assume this means no carbs, and if thats true how will I ever get in 2000 cals/day? Do you need some type of weight gainer or am I forgetting some great food that has lots of cals but no carbs?
Also if there is anyone on the forums that has done this Cyclical diet, if you could help simply the diet a bit, that would a big help. Thanks guys.

JustLost
12-11-2005, 11:54 AM
"Trace carbs" just means eating a minimal (< 30grams) amount of carbs per day.

Answer to the calorie question is self-evident if you think about it for a bit. Your three sources of calories (ignoring alcohol) are carbs, protein, and fat. Without carbs, you're going to have to get those calories from protein and fat.

Just as an oversimplified example: let's assume that you want to consume 225 grams of protein per day. That's 225x4 = 1000 calories, so now you need 1000 calories from fat. That's 1000/9 = 111 grams of fat. That's not so hard to consume. An 8 ounce ribeye steak has almost 60 grams of fat (according to fitday.com), while a large egg has about 7. It adds up pretty quickly.

btw: most "weight gainers" are mostly sugars of various kinds.

Con
12-11-2005, 12:54 PM
I was talking about from which types of foods tho, besides just meats, how will i get that fat and protein but with almost no carbs?

HILL
12-11-2005, 01:36 PM
protein powder with water. also lots of meat with olive oil on

JustLost
12-11-2005, 02:12 PM
protein powder with water. also lots of meat with olive oil on


What Hill said. ;)

Also, most nuts have a lot more fat than carb.
Most cheese has little to no carb, plenty of fat and protein.
Add butter or olive oil to fibrous veggies like broccoli and green beans
tuna (or even sardines!) packed in oil
fish oil or flax oil -- you should be taking these anyway for EFAs

Here are a couple wbb threads you might find helpful:

http://64.191.89.25/showthread.php?t=70457&highlight=ketogenic
http://64.191.89.25/showthread.php?t=48766&highlight=ketogenic

... and a whole site devoted to cyclical ketogenic diets:

http://www.c-k-d.com/