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beginner18
01-06-2002, 07:26 AM
can u still build muscle while on a low carb diet?
what are the pro's and con's of this?

syntekz
01-06-2002, 07:59 AM
Yes, as long as you are working out, getting enough protein, and eating more calories than your body needs to maintain it's weight.

beginner18
01-06-2002, 08:25 AM
im thinkin of goin on the keto diet.. i been readin up on it and lookin thru posts, and most ppl on the posts recomend havin
1.5-2g of fat per 1g of protein, while on the keto diet sample i saw @ http://www.hbstores.com/ckd.htm it has more protein than fat .. so technically what is correct?

syntekz
01-06-2002, 08:58 AM
Read these articles in order:

http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=34


http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=45


Our very own Cack wrote those. That should explain the diet pretty well.

Wizard
01-06-2002, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by beginner18
im thinkin of goin on the keto diet.. i been readin up on it and lookin thru posts, and most ppl on the posts recomend havin
1.5-2g of fat per 1g of protein, while on the keto diet sample i saw @ http://www.hbstores.com/ckd.htm it has more protein than fat .. so technically what is correct?

Ketogenic diet with more protein than fat? It ain't correct.

The_Chicken_Daddy
01-06-2002, 09:32 AM
do you want to use the keto for fat loss or for lean gaining?

keto is more geared towards fatloss and muscle preservation.

low carb bulk would work but i think i'd prefer basic higher carb for bulking needs. You'd prolly see better in-gym performance from this.

also, isn;t the keto fat to protein ratio meant to be like 3:1?

i'm sure this is so the 'excess' protein doesn;t get converted to glucose for energy. that would kinda defeat the whole purose of getting into ketosis.

Wizard
01-06-2002, 09:39 AM
You're right.Excess protein will be turned to glucose and kick you out of ketosis.The ratio of fat to protein may not be 3/1 but has always to be from 1,5g. of fat/1g. of protein and up.. I find 2/1 better.
3/1 is almost impossible because you'll have a very limited choice of foods and you'll be getting less protein than even the FDA suggests
:D

The_Chicken_Daddy
01-06-2002, 09:44 AM
i thought it was 75% fat to 25% protein?

Wizard
01-06-2002, 09:55 AM
On a 2000 calories diet:
Fat grams
2000 x .75=1500
1500/9=165 grams

Protein grams
2000 x .25=500
500/4=125

Thats 1,3 grams of fat for every 1 gram of protein.It changes depending on the caloric level.
3/1 means 3grams of fat for every single gram of protein.

The_Chicken_Daddy
01-06-2002, 10:01 AM
ah ok gotcha.

i see where i got mixed up now.

beginner18
01-06-2002, 01:14 PM
The_Chicken_Daddy .. using it for weight loss, still going to be attending the gym 3 times a week..
thanks 4 the help identifying it, at the moment im startin to plan out my daily diet under the keto diet..

kinda finding it hard to play one out, since i relised ive eaten a fair amount of carbs previously without really noticing.. =\

but ill stick with it, i wana look lean :P n thats enun motivation 4 me to stick with it!

beginner18
01-06-2002, 02:22 PM
syntekz, thanks for the links, just finished reading them.. good work Cack :) there was alot of info in there that helped me out alot! i found myself copy and pasing pieces of your write-up into a notepad document to go back to :)

The_Chicken_Daddy
01-06-2002, 02:31 PM
yeah that's what he did too.

Wizard
01-06-2002, 02:33 PM
You're too bad.

beginner18
01-07-2002, 04:05 AM
what are some good snacks to have with a keto diet? i heard fat free jello is good? anything else?

Wizard
01-07-2002, 04:47 AM
Fat free jelo is not that good... aspartame may be bad for some individuals.