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ArchAngel777
01-06-2006, 07:45 PM
Question for a few people here... I am not sure on the proper term, but my weightlifting coach taught me a special way grab the bar for deadlifts, squats and snatches. Basically the thumb gets tucked in and your 2-3 fingers go right over it. It results in an extremely strong grip, much stronger than anything else, for the most part.

Is that legal to do in power lifting? I know it is legal in olympic style, but I was not sure about powerlifting. Because, in the dead lifts, I can use clean style front grip with the thumb lockout and go over 400+ with no problem.

Anyone else use this grip? I don't use it unless my grip cannot handle the load on their own, so essentially I will only resort to this grip on a heavy deadlift.

MixmasterNash
01-06-2006, 09:12 PM
Hook grip. It's painful, but strong. Legal, as far as I know. Mostly used in olympic lifting where you need to rack the weight double overhand. In PL, you can use a mixed grip, which is stronger still.

Anyway, I think most people can train their grip strength to be signficantly above their dead weights.

ArchAngel777
01-06-2006, 09:40 PM
Hook grip. It's painful, but strong. Legal, as far as I know. Mostly used in olympic lifting where you need to rack the weight double overhand. In PL, you can use a mixed grip, which is stronger still.

Anyway, I think most people can train their grip strength to be signficantly above their dead weights.

I agree about increasing grip strength. However, I dislike mixed grip and will not use it unless absolutely needed. My only concern with the "hook grip" is that the thumb could get doslocated and litterally ripped off your hand if you ever attempted too much weight... Woudn't happen with a mixed grip.

Bohizzle
01-06-2006, 10:06 PM
so would the ultimate strength grip be the mixed hook grip?! lol

Sensei
01-06-2006, 11:38 PM
Some people do it - I've never seen it personally, but I've seen photos of world class DLers using a mixed grip w. the hook.

khari
01-07-2006, 05:53 PM
Why would need to use the hook grip on squats?

ArchAngel777
01-07-2006, 06:31 PM
Why would need to use the hook grip on squats?

YAWN... I wouldn't, it was a mistake :D

deeder
01-08-2006, 11:05 PM
My thumbs were hurting reading this... I can easily imagine my thumb dislocating doing something like that... OUCH! Do gripwork or invest in straps.. Sounds painful to me man..

Isaac Wilkins
01-09-2006, 07:00 AM
Some of the big deadlifters (Travis Mash, for one) are going to a hook grip/double overhand because they're afraid of tearing a bicep with a heavy deadlift.

Chris Mason on this board has gone over to the hook, I believe.

I personally haven't liked it when I've tried it, but I've never really spent much time working on it, either.

ArchAngel777
01-09-2006, 08:15 AM
At first the grip is painful on the thumbnail, but after a few sessions it doesn't hurt any longer. Pretty soon you will fine yourself using the hook grip on other things.... I used to use it on the steering wheel without thinking... Now I make a point to NOT do that... If the airbag went off, my thumbs would have ripped off my hand, not good!

Anyway, the hook grip is awesome :D

Guido
01-09-2006, 09:08 AM
Would their be less chance of losing the bar on heavy benches using a hook grip? If so, I'd probably switch to it when shirt benching.

khari
01-09-2006, 10:05 AM
My thumbs were hurting reading this... I can easily imagine my thumb dislocating doing something like that... OUCH! Do gripwork or invest in straps.. Sounds painful to me man..

Straps are illegal in weightlifting competition, and snatching 100+kg with regular grip is no easy feat.

ArchAngel777
01-09-2006, 11:15 AM
Straps are illegal in weightlifting competition, and snatching 100+kg with regular grip is no easy feat.

Right on... Even though it seems like 100+ KG isn't much, you have to remember that the speed of the lift increases it's weight 2-3 X that of what it really is... So a 100+ KG snatch is much like a 200 + KG snatch dead lift... Not easy, not easy at all. Hook Grip was required for snatch, in my opinion due to the power of the lift. But that goes for the clean + jerk as well.

ArchAngel777
01-09-2006, 11:17 AM
Would their be less chance of losing the bar on heavy benches using a hook grip? If so, I'd probably switch to it when shirt benching.

I don't know much about power lifting, except that there are a dozen of federations/associations with their own rules and their own champions... I don't see how the hook group would help you on the Bench Press from my experience. Goodness, if the weight is falling out of your hands, you might not want to be benching that : )

deeder
01-09-2006, 06:15 PM
Straps are illegal in weightlifting competition, and snatching 100+kg with regular grip is no easy feat.

Fair enough... I am no where close to entering weightlifting competitions and don't do any olympic style lifts yet...

If I ever get around to learning some of those I might have to look into it... I'll still worry about my thumbs though :p

biggimp
01-11-2006, 11:22 AM
i used mixed grip w/ hook all the time. up to 536lbs was my highest lift. didnt really hurt at all. and no, your thumb wont "rip off" or dislocate.... at least it never did for me, and the 6 months i did it when i still deadlifted...

biggimp
01-11-2006, 11:26 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/biggimp/powerlifting/Omaha2004004.jpg

Sensei
01-12-2006, 10:12 PM
Nice DL, but that has to be the most godawful-butt-ugly singlet I have ever seen!

biggimp
01-13-2006, 01:42 PM
im a ghetto zebra lol.

i had no singlet so i borrowed one from my friend. yes its ugly. :)

KevinStarke
01-13-2006, 02:54 PM
Haha damn man, looks like their should be a discoball somewhere in that picture. Awesome deadlift though man.

ElPietro
01-13-2006, 03:21 PM
I did not know there was a Killer Bees powerlifting club. :D

SW
01-14-2006, 05:54 PM
Lol @ Pete. That's good.

Newfie D
01-18-2006, 11:46 AM
brad gillingham 837lb dead with hook grip (dp)...http://www.irongame.com/videos/BradGillingham.2004,July10-11th,USAPLMensNationals,BatonRouge,LA-380kg-837lbDL@SHW.mpg

strong

tize
01-27-2006, 08:17 AM
how heavy is that pull in the pic?

deeder
01-27-2006, 09:06 AM
how heavy is that pull in the pic?

400 and some...

Optimum08
01-27-2006, 10:36 PM
i actually forgot about mixed grip when i was deadlifting today...dam*it i might have to try the hook on the lighter weights next week to see how i like it...

puny_ectomorph
01-28-2006, 11:18 AM
I've used hook grip with the clean and jerk, but haven't tried it with a heavy dead. As my grip keeps failing at 240+, I'll have to try it.

-puny-

biggimp
01-30-2006, 11:26 AM
how heavy is that pull in the pic?


535lbs @ 210 age 17

i am 19 now and could probably pull 350 :( lol

ArchAngel777
01-30-2006, 01:06 PM
535lbs @ 210 age 17

i am 19 now and could probably pull 350 :( lol

That is VERY impressive, especially at 17!!! Is that a state record? Whatever the case, awesome... I had no idea that DL was 535, it looked around 400ish.

Guido
01-30-2006, 02:41 PM
I'm guessing by looking at them that those are 25kg plates, so yeah, that's about right.