New iMac

[Twiztid]

All I can say is WHOA!!!

www.apple.com/imac

Also, if you wanna watch the Steve Jobs Keynote, here is a link:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf02/

I think I might make the jump to Mac, after working for Apple for a few months.. I started to realize how wicked OS X is... and with the release of OS X 10.1 upgrade, it's even better.

Anyways.. figured I'd share the link / news...

[syntekz]

MACs interface/graphics/OS is great, but WINXP is right on it's heals. PC's are better. :D

[Twiztid]

I've always been a PC user myself as well..

but I dunno, Apple is getting better.

I like Unix / Linux, but it does have very big shortfalls... OS X is buildt on UNIX. That's great news...

I dunno, I am gonna hu and ha about it for awhile.. and make a choice. New computer in March!

[pr3]

Hey T, I'm planning on getting the Titanium Powerbook this weekend. It took me 3 months to finally decide since I've never used a Mac before.

I hope it's worth it because I'll be using an arm and a leg to pay it off....nearly $4000....gulp:( :cry:

P.S.--If anyone has this laptop, please give me some info on it. Is it excellent for graphics and filmmaking?

[syntekz]

4000 dollars? I could build 4 top of the line computers for that price.

[MWB]

pr3, for graphics it depends what you want to do. Publishing and the like, Macs are allright. For 3d stuff, ie Toy Story, Shrek, Final Fantasy etc, they suck. I'm a multimedia major and use both pc and mac at school. Everything we use macs for I can do on a pc 10 times faster, photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, everything.

[heathj]

$4000? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can build a very nice computer for around $7-800, including monitor.

[pr3]

ALright, believe me....I've been thinking about it myself, but with the field I want to get into (publishing, filmmaking, music) I heard and read that they use Apple computers.

I did consider Sony Vaio, that was my second choice. I don't know really.

If anyone out there is in the music, film or magazine industry, please tell me what do you use? Or even computer experts (cbates), is Apple the best at waht I want to do???:confused:

[Twiztid]

Go to every ART department of a big company, or any "studio" and you will see Mac's!!

I'd get a PowerMac G4, but if you wanna go portable.. you'll pay more.

[pr3]

MWB--TOy Story was done by Disney's Pixar company--which is runned by Apple (Macintosh)? So how can it be possible that there computers to have the capability????:confused:

[heathj]

Mac's are the best for animation and video editing and all that ****. But PC's are better for 3d modeling and 2d graphics. PC's are catching up quick with mac's for video editing, etc....Personally, I'd go with a pc.

[ultraviolence]

...PC's for sound production. Why? Because the software and hardware is plentyful, customisation is easier (hardware and software), and I'm used to the interface. I use this equipment for my home studio.

Also, you'd only buy a portable machine if you have a real need for it. I wouldn't unless you planned on using it as a controller for live presentations and even then only if the majority of venues had all the other equipment. No point saving 2 kgs on weight for a computer with limited expansion, yet still have to carry the 48 track mixing desk and PA system and ....

[MWB]

Last I checked Pixar used custom written software run on SGI's.

[ElPietro]

Haha...leave it to mac to create a new even gayer computer design. Now all the retarded parents are going to flock to retail outlets because of the retarded new look.

God...I though when they started calling their computers blueberry it was gay. Keep buying systems by their covers...and mac people are running out of excuses not to buy PCs...

[syntekz]

I like the new mac laptop computers. They look pretty slick. But building your own computer(PC) is much better. You can upgrade much easier than a MAC. And the games on PC always come out first. ;)

[codei]

anyone who buys a mac is crazy. the things are f'n expensive and they suck. for the base price of one of them, you can get an absolute top of the line dell thats better in just about every way.

imacs/ibooks are only successful because of the stupid college female population that buys them because theyre 'cute'.

[Twiztid]

PC's become obsolete the day you buy them and plug them in...
Apple's don't.

You could have bought a G4 last year, and it'll still kick ass...
You could have bought a 700 Mhz PC last year, and now we're getting to 2 Ghz!!!

I own a PC now, a P3 450... and it's starting to suck ass.

It's time for a new computer, and the new iMac looks sweet.

I worked for Apple, and I was the same as you... I "HATED" Mac's until I actually sat down and used one. The Mac OS is wicked, and now OS X is out and KICKS ASS!

It's built on UNIX, but anyone who has ever used Linux knows that Linux is just a long way to do shxt... the reason I used Linux was the security and the stability.

Mac OS X has the power of Unix, with the eye candy of Apple.

I've read a few reviews of OS X vs. Win XP and OS X has won... I'll try and dig those up.

Apple is starting to get a lot of stuff put out for it as well... Anyways, it's personal choice.

I'll debate over a new iMac with a DVD-R or a new PC... we'll see when it's time to buy.

Just sit down and play with OS X for 10 mins before saying that "APPLE SUCKS". I know I looked like an idiot when I did that...

[IGF-1]

ok.... as a student of graphic design and 3d animation i have to interject here.

Macs are not often used outside of the marketing/advertising relms of graphics. Anything which deals with photoshop or other adobe products and Video Editing are handled really well by the G4/dual g4 processors.

PC's have started to make there way into the 3d/ Movie production studios because of there versatility of software as well as the recent upgrades to new ram types (DDR), they are also a cheaper alternative to many of the higher end machines (the mentality is you could probably buy 10 PC's for the price of one SGI). However, they still lack the truely hardcore abilities when it comes to things like Rendering, Alpha blending and polygon generation.

SGI's are still the baddest graphics/video machines available. They are specifically designed to handle the loads required to render textures and characters....

Pixar uses a software known as Renderman, yes it is custom software they developed themselves, it is based on there older custom software known as marrionette. It is very code based in its design with less of a GUI interface.

[breeze]

PC's suck. Every innovation on the pc was pioneered on the Mac.

[IGF-1]

really? every innovation? then USB was pioneered by Macs? since when? DDR Memory....another PC techonology.....

Mac lost the computer market by not giving out easily obtained software developement rights, that and the fact that macs are just so damn hard to upgrade :p

[syntekz]

Upgradeability(sp).


That's probably the most important issue to look at.

PC's are much more upgradeable than a MAC.

(Can you even build your own mac?)

[MWB]

It all comes down to what you want to do. If you are only going to have one machine, I would say PC. Most, not all mind you, but most mainstream software is made for the PC first, then mac as an after thought. Like I said, I use a Mac and PC every day. My PC blows away the G4's we have at school.

Os X does seem to be pretty stable, but at the same time I have never had a problem so far with Win XP pro. There is only one program I use that I need a Mac for and that is Final Cut Pro. All the other programs I use run on a PC much better and some run on ONLY PC, 3d Studio max, Character Studio, Maya.

PC's are also cheaper, especially if you know how to build one. I just re-built my system with all the top of the line hardware(as of 11/01) for under $1000. That includes a GIG of 800Mhz ram, and a 64 mb video card which runs runs my 3d programs and every game I've thrown at it at over 60fps at 1600X1200 resolution. I also put in a 1.7 Ghz P4 with a nice RAID motherboard and a highspeed Plextor CD burner.

I can respect Macs for what they are, but they just don't have the horsepower or wide variety of software that a PC does.

[heathj]

Twiz, but you can upgrade from a 700 mhz PC to a 2 ghz pc for $100 or less...

[PowerManDL]

I'm currently building a PC with the following:

Athlon XP 1700+ (1.47 GHz) processor
ATX DDR motherboard
512MB Crucial DDR RAM
Antec SX1040 server case (the new ones Alienware uses)
TDK 32X CD-RW
DVD-ROM
100 GB primary HD
40 GB secondary HD
SoundBlaster Audigy MP3+ sound card
ATI Radeon All-in-Wonder video card
5 USB2 ports
3 FireWire/iLink ports
19" Monitor
Creative Labs ATP3 speakers
Logitech wireless keyboard & mouse

with

WinXP Pro on the main drive
Red Hat Linux on the secondary

Total cost: ~800 bucks

[MWB]

PM get a top of the line Geforce 3. I've had a few ati cards in the past and hated them. Not a fan of the Radeon. It's a little slow, even with a good processor.

[PowerManDL]

I would, but I don't need that kind of graphics ability. 32MB is more than enough, and I like the All-in-Wonder's I/O capabilities. If I could find a decent nVidia card that could do that, I would, but I haven't found one.

[Scooby-Doo]

The new I-Mac looks and sounds cool, however I am a hardcore PC fan!! :)

[JustinF]

I would like to build my own PC. Can anyone point me in the direction of a website that will explain this. I am mechanically inclined, but I just don't know very much about computers. I do know that I bought this computer 1.5 years ago when it was high speed, but I know now how fast they are outdated as this one currently sucks a$$. This is the major reason I want to build my own, with the stuff that is currently on top, but I will be able to upgrade at any point. Thanks for any/all replies.

[PowerManDL]

Hmm--

Places like ZDnet have articles on that kind of thing. I can't remember it offhand, but there's one site I found that did a good job of it.

Its not terribly difficult. At least the hardware aspect of it. Turning it on and getting the software set up, that can be a bitch.

I'm especially concerned because my OS is a pirate copy of Win XP Pro.

[ElPietro]

Originally posted by breeze
PC's suck. Every innovation on the pc was pioneered on the Mac.

*ding* *ding*

Haha...dumbest post of the thread award. Wow all pioneered by mac...so that's why they have 5% marketshare...I guess they are just really dumb business men then...and decided to try and sell computers based on their appearance which has exactly 0% effect on performance. Enjoy your gimmicky looking computer. Yeah PCs reach obsolesence faster...but you know what makes a PC obsolete? Software. The hardware is the same as the day you bought it. Mac doesn't go obsolete as fast cuz jack sh!t is written for it.

Enjoy your beautiful blueberry computer. Or do you prefer peach? Hehe I'd bet most iMac owners drive VW beetles too.

[syntekz]

I've got friends who run pirated versions of XP. As long as you have the latest and greatest hardware you shouldn't run into too much trouble installing XP.

[PowerManDL]

Oh, I'm not worried that its XP--

I had XP on this system (433 Celeron with 256MB SDRAM) for God's sake.

I'm worried that its a pirate copy, and I'm not entirely sure how well its going to work. The Corporate Version that I've got isn't supposed to have the product activation in it, so we'll see.

[heathj]

Even the Geforce II MX card is a kickass. I have the 32mb one and it's under $100 now and it has good graphic quality. You don't really need a Geforce III or some outrageous $200+ card...

[MWB]

heathj

"You don't really need a Geforce III or some outrageous $200+ card..."

Actually there is a HUGE difference running 3d Studio Max with a geforce 3 compaired with a geforce 2. That's why I got that card.

[syntekz]

Were you running studio max on the exact same computer and just changed the video card?

[MWB]

Yes. The video card was the first piece of new equipment I bought. I put that in and it made a big difference. I later upgraded the ram, processer, etc.

[breeze]

Originally posted by ElPietro


*ding* *ding*

Haha...dumbest post of the thread award. Wow all pioneered by mac...so that's why they have 5% marketshare...I guess they are just really dumb business men then...and decided to try and sell computers based on their appearance which has exactly 0% effect on performance. Enjoy your gimmicky looking computer. Yeah PCs reach obsolesence faster...but you know what makes a PC obsolete? Software. The hardware is the same as the day you bought it. Mac doesn't go obsolete as fast cuz jack sh!t is written for it.

Enjoy your beautiful blueberry computer. Or do you prefer peach? Hehe I'd bet most iMac owners drive VW beetles too.

The Mac's did it all. It's true; it's true. Apple made some blunders on the magnitude of the Titanic. This allowed "gay" pc's to take over. Chicks dig guys who use imac and drive VW Beetles, because those guys are artistic and creative. The moral of the story is- if you want tons of chicks use an imac and drive the new VW beetle especially if you color coordinate between the two.

[IGF-1]

i'd drive the new 180hp turbo s beetle :D

[devhuman]

Originally posted by pr3
ALright, believe me....I've been thinking about it myself, but with the field I want to get into (publishing, filmmaking, music) I heard and read that they use Apple computers.

I did consider Sony Vaio, that was my second choice. I don't know really.

If anyone out there is in the music, film or magazine industry, please tell me what do you use? Or even computer experts (cbates), is Apple the best at waht I want to do???:confused:

If you are doing Audio, Mac is the way to go, if you are doing flat publishing/graphics, then PC or Mac, if you are doing 3d work, Sun Microsystems Ultra Sparc II or III Line (i.e. a SunBlade 1000).

Mac's are supperior hardware across the board. That's why they are more expensive. They have always been superior. The new OS X is really sweet. I gave up Mac's many years ago, but am considering going back since it's on a BSD kernel now. I'm a UNIX bigot (Solaris on Sun Microsystems hardware is my platform of choice), so having a Mac that has NFS, X11 Server, etc is very appealing for me. The only thing I use a PC for is Quicken, so if I had a Mac, I could run Quicken and not have to worry about XP's security wholes and Microsoft invading my privacy (has anyone snooped traffic from an XP box, yet... it's scary what MS is "stealing" from your system).

Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing...

-Tom

[devhuman]

Originally posted by pr3
MWB--TOy Story was done by Disney's Pixar company--which is runned by Apple (Macintosh)? So how can it be possible that there computers to have the capability????:confused:

You are close... Pixar is owned by Steve Jobs and Disney, not Apple. Steve Jobs was the fouder of Apple and has now returned to run the company.

Pixar creates everything on Sun Microsystems hardware running the Solaris Operating System.

Macs are VERY capable of making 3d animations, but you need a lot more power than a PC or MAC are capable of producing. Toy Story was created with a farm of Sun E4500's with 12 UltraSparc II processors in each system. They are now running Ultra III based systems like E6800's. You'd need like 500+ Highend PC's to produce that kind of power and it would end up costing you a lot more money and it would be too unstable to be worth it. That's why they use Sun...

-Tom

[devhuman]

Originally posted by MWB
Last I checked Pixar used custom written software run on SGI's.

Custom software on Sun, not SGI.

-Tom