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Calibur7
01-25-2006, 11:39 AM
are fruits not as good as vegtables? (generally speaking)


it doesnt seem like many people eat fruit...It doesnt make sense that they'd be high in fat or something weird, but maybe.


I looked on fitday and it said an apple was like 60 calories. I just cant imagine someone getting fat from eating fruit.

getfit
01-25-2006, 11:58 AM
ofcourse fruit is good for you

something i found read up!

http://www.thefruitpages.com/sugar.shtml

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 12:11 PM
thanks for the article.


the only reason I made the getting fat comments, was because I always see people say "fruits dont fit in their diet," in which that statement has always puzzled me.

getfit
01-25-2006, 12:12 PM
what's your diet like? cutting,bulking,maintaining?

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 12:28 PM
we'll I began weight lifting at the end of august(probably around the 24)

My routine is similiar to the WBB 1 or 2 or whatever.

At first, I used the excuse that I was lifting to eat a lot. probably around 3,000-4,000 a day. I ate pretty healthy, counted calories, protein and all that. About 160-180 g of protein daily. At this point I was about 180, with a fat gut, but everything else on me is pretty lean. Basically I would be fine with the way I looked if it werent for my damn stomach.

Eating all that would be all fine, but Im going to florida in the summer, or even as close as spring break, and I thought, "wait, I need to rid of this stomach"

I gain about 15 pounds since then, at one point I was even a little over 200. Now im about 195. I would like to set a realistic goal for me, and drop down to 175 so I can hopefully loose the gut and then bulk again, while doing cardio for my stomach.


Now I try to eat 1500 calories or under, which I find is very hard to get my protein, which has been lacking as of late.

I eat a wide variety of foods...For a while my main thing I ate was chicken, now I eat more tuna fish then anything. Just to name a few, I eat yogurt, veggies, fruit, oats, drink 2% milk, as well as soy. So I would say I eat pretty decent.

PeterParker
01-25-2006, 12:31 PM
fruits are fantastic .
low in cals , high in fibre and vits/mins
i dont know why peeps dont eat more

Built
01-25-2006, 12:51 PM
1500 calories sounds WAY too low for you. Hell, it's way too low for ME! What are you eating?

Bruise Brubaker
01-25-2006, 01:15 PM
In my opinion veggies are a lot better than fruits, fruits are usually very high in fructose, while veggie are almost calory-free, so they're like the complete opposite of "empty calories" and in that sense they supplement our diets with vitamins and minerals that are missing in our food.

So I eat fruits in moderation, except avocadoes, because they are so good, and yes they are full of fat, and full of fat-soluble nutrients, which is why they are so good.

Anyway my digestion is very sensible to too much fructose.

Built
01-25-2006, 01:25 PM
Mine is too, bruise.

I tend to trickle fruits in with meals - I'll have a chunk of apple as dessert after a meal, with some natty PB on it, but you'll rarely see me eat a whole apple all at once.

ArchAngel777
01-25-2006, 01:32 PM
Wow, I love fruit. I eat many apples and bananas through out the week. Fruit does not make hungry like a can of soda would. Fruit is also much like a "treat" when treated with respect... Oh so good. I can think of nothing better for a meal than a few 'pink ladies' on my desk... 'Fuji's' will do, and 'Honey Crisps' come in a close second... Red Delicious are nasty and should be banned from the store. Those things are shoe leather, BLAH!

Utopianhopes
01-25-2006, 01:33 PM
Fructose doesn't make you fat, eating at a calorie surplus does that to you. I have still been able to lose weight while on a cut eating fruits.

Built
01-25-2006, 01:37 PM
Mmmm... Fujis.... haven't tried the Pink Ladies yet. <plans next shopping trip>

ArchAngel777
01-25-2006, 01:40 PM
Fructose doesn't make you fat, eating at a calorie surplus does that to you. I have still been able to lose weight while on a cut eating fruits.

Very true, but many report that fructose will increase your appitite, thus, it indirectly makes people fat by making their appitite crave more food. So, that is where I believe people attribute it to fat. The idea is that 160 calories from fructose would not satisify you as much as 160 calories from peanut butter... Whether I totally agree or not, doesn't really matter. Each individual needs to find what allows them to keep their appitite satisfied as much as possible during a cut..

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 01:44 PM
click here for my foods eaten (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme/PWA/LegalInfo.html)

i may or may not eat a couple hundred more calories today. But thats everything i've eaten today, and I plan on not eating anything else.

ArchAngel777
01-25-2006, 01:46 PM
Mmmm... Fujis.... haven't tried the Pink Ladies yet. <plans next shopping trip>

Yeah, try them out. They are really good. Fuji's seem to be the best price/performance out there for great apples. Pink Ladies around here tend to run about 2.99 a pound and Honey Crisps run about that as well. I can normally find Fuji's at 149 a pound, so normally I purchase those. I really love all three, but my favorite is the Pink Ladies. Never heard of them until a friend at work introduced me to them about 3 or so years ago.

ArchAngel777
01-25-2006, 01:48 PM
Click here for the foods ive eaten (http://www.angelfire.com/extreme/PWA/images/foodeaten.bmp)

i may or may not eat a couple hundred more calories today. But thats everything i've eaten today, and I plan on not eating anything else.

That website does not allow hotlinking. But on another note, I sure hope that you don't live in the same time zone as me... Because if you can eat all your calories 8 or so hours before you go to bed, WOW!!! Terrible hunger pains you must have.

Built
01-25-2006, 01:49 PM
NO KIDDING!

I always eat my last meal of the day just before I brush my teeth and go to bed!

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 01:55 PM
That website does not allow hotlinking. But on another note, I sure hope that you don't live in the same time zone as me... Because if you can eat all your calories 8 or so hours before you go to bed, WOW!!! Terrible hunger pains you must have.

the link now works.

and I will be very hungry all day now...I live in ohio.

Built
01-25-2006, 01:58 PM
1300 calories? They don't feed you in Ohio?

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 02:11 PM
i just want to loose weight. I dont know any other way to go about it.

ddegroff
01-25-2006, 02:12 PM
Damn, 1300 cals, I would die. How much weight are you losing per week?

Built
01-25-2006, 02:13 PM
How big are you Calibur? If you're a 5'2" female, you might be okay on these cals.

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 02:16 PM
and built-

Im 5'6.5, about 195 lbs, and im 19. I wouldnt say im FAT but i am kinda fat...just in the stomach. I wouldnt be embarresed to take off my shirt at a pool party because my other features are built well, if that gives you a better idea., but none the less my stomach would jiggle A LOT if I did jumping jacks right now.



we'll I started this 1500 calorie thing last week.

But, I doubt I will even loose weight on this diet with my luck, even though the calories look so low.


In a 3 week period like 2 months ago I went from 187, to 203, to 195, to 187 in about 2 weeks.

Call it water weight, call it bad scales, whatever. I weighed myself each time on different scales and they came out to about if not the exact same thing.

If I eat the wrong thing one day, My stomach is bloated for DAYS.


I have a horrible metabolism, which as I believe has a lot to do with this subject.

I just want my gut to go away.

ddegroff
01-25-2006, 02:19 PM
I would weigh yourself on the same scale, the same time a day, and only once or twice a week. That way you keep all the variables the same (i.e. meals already eatin in the day, how much water you usally drink etc.)

Built
01-25-2006, 02:19 PM
Define "eat wrong".

And what are you eating NOW?

(Grams of protein, carb, fat, total cals)

What's your training like?

Calibur7
01-25-2006, 02:36 PM
eating wrong to me is eating 2-3 pieces of pizza on a day where I've eaten 1500 calories without the pizza.

I dont count my carbs because i dont know how many is ideal.


All I can really tell you is my protein was around 180 g and calories around 3-4 thousand since august. As of the last month ive been cutting that in half.

my routine- 2 days legs, 2 days upper body. usually consectutive, 4 days straight, weekends off.

tuesday- Back, Chest
Bench Press(every week i switch from incline to flat)
4x5-8
Warm up with 95 lbs somtimes for 25 reps which kills my chest.

Seated Cable row(legs out one) 2-3x8-11
Sitting lat pull(name? Your sitting down on this) 2-3x8-11
Dumb Flys- 2x8
Dumb Bell Bench- 2x8
Hammer Curls 2x8-10
One handed snatch 1-2x8


Weds Legs
Front Squats 2x8
Back Squats ATF 3x8-10
Heavy Back Squats 3x5-8
Deadlifts(low weight b/c I hurt my back) 2x10
Reverse Deadlifts(a lot heavier then re DL) 1-2x5-8
Calf Raises 3x25-35

Thursday Bicep,Tricep,Shoulder
Mili Press 2-3x8
DB Press 2-3x8
Skull Crushers 2x8
Cable Push Downs 2x5-8
Reverse Curls 2x8
One Handed DB snatch 1-2x8
Curl 1-2x8
Hammer Curls 2-3x8
(i know im forgetting something)

Friday - See Weds


Im also going to start BPing 2 x a week because it is so bad.

Built
01-25-2006, 02:39 PM
How is it that you know how many grams of protein and how many calories but not how many grams of fat or carb you're eating?

And yes, it matters. Fats are satiating and keep your glucose/insulin stable, which helps keep your appetite under control (plus a few other perks).

Why such high reps for a cut on such low calories?

brickt.
01-25-2006, 03:56 PM
1st and foremost: noone ever got fat off eating fruit.

To the dude eating 1500 cals. Man, DON'T. Your body will eat fat, but also will start EATING YOUR MUSCLE for energy. You WILL NOT be happy with the end result. You'll be the worst of both worlds, what we meatheads call 'Skinny Fat.'

Get a good weight traininig routine focusing on compound movements, start an account on fitday, eat 2500 cals a day spread over 5-6 meals. Track this for 1-2 weeks and see what happens to your bodyweight. If it goes up, your eating over your maintenance. If it stays the same, you've found your maintenancecals. If you lose weight, you're under your maintenance.

Eat these kinda foods:

Carbohydrates: Oatmeal, Sweet 'Tater, Brown Rice, Whole Wheat Bread
Proteins: Chicken, Fish, Lean Red Meat, Eggwhites, Milk
Fats: Olive Oil, Nuts, Whole Eggs, Fishoil

You might be also looking for some "SUPER LOSE WEIGHT AND GAIN MUSCLE!" supplement. Don't. Food is your super supplement. The only supplements you may need are Whey Protein, a good Multivitamin and Fishoil. All are ready available.

See you in 1-2 weeks.

Now, say thankyou, bitch. That took a while ;)

EDIT: Just realised your not exactly a noobie, and probably know all this stuff. :hello: