last straw

[TylerDurden]

Im 22, 5'8 138lbs. Im sick and tired of not being able to gain weight and size. I the skinny little ripped guy at the gym that looks like he is lifting to much weight for his size. Im going to take it to next level! But don't worry I'm not going to ask for sources openly, because someone would surely scam me of my money since I don't have a clue about what I am doing

This board is a place to exchange knowledge and information, not to solicite sources. - ST

[TreeTrunks]

Try eating, I believe food is the best roid. Trick is you have to eat right! Its hard don't take the easy road.

[Jane]

You need to buy groceries :D

At that size you need some solid training and decent calories and you'll grow nicely. Get advice from DIET and training, not the anabolic zone.

[intensity20]

I feel your pain, I have been training hard for a couple years now and for the last year concentrated more on diet. but I am still thin but I have come a long way and just now started an anavar/creatine cycle, some may call this a short cut, and I guess it is. but i did my home work and hope i will gain a little off of it.

How long have you been training? You shouldn't just wake up one morning and say I will take steroids, you must really consider the consequences and risks of using.

It took me months to decide that I will use, then when I made my decision, I chosed what I believe to be the safest cycle which fits my wants.

[TylerDurden]

I've been working out since the 6th grade. I have never taken more than a month off. I've tried the diet thing and eating till i puked. Two months ago, I tried a diet of 3000 cal and i vomitted everyday on it. I learned you cant just start out on a diet twice what you normally eat you have to work your way up to it. I don't want to spend the rest of my life trying to get what i can get in a year. Make sense?

[intensity20]

you seem determined to use. so do your research and take it easy on your first cycle. you never know how your body is going to react. if i were you i would do a first cycle of anavar, winny or primo. something mild like that. from what i have found they are all very effective especially for someone who has never used before. personally I favor the anavar, it's oral, the safest steroid available, with virtually no side effects at a decent dosage and give nice 10lb-15lb lean body mass gains, and increadable strength gains as well,with creatine and a top-notch diet.

[big]

If you dont eat you wont gain regardless of what you take.

[MWB]

You gotta eat. Most guys eat 3000+ on a cycle. Do you know how much you are eating now? Try every week adding 200 cals a day. If you go directly from eating 2000 cals to 3000 cals yeah you might puke. Do it gradually and give your body time to adjust.

[Reinier]

i dont think i ever ate under 3500 since i started lifting.

[big]

yea but you weight almost twice as much as him :)

[TylerDurden]

What kind of cycle shoul i start out on? Is anavar an injection? Where can i get more info on anavar?

[Tadger]

Anavar(Oxandrolone) is an oral steroid. It's a good strength drug but won't put much size on ya and it's pricey stuff. The sides are very mild. It's eliminated primarily by the kidney and hepatoxicity is minimal. It's roughly 5-10 times as anabolic as methyl testosterone and not nearly as androgenic. It's being used to treat burn victims as it increases re-epithelialization rates and it also causes more rapid closure of cutaneous wounds. It has been administered to AIDS patients to combat wasting sydrome, after extensive surgeries to promote faster healing and to help maintain LBM and many other uses.

Information is not hard to find...

[TylerDurden]

Thanks for the info. appreciate your help

[Severed Ties]

I suggest you adjust your body to more food. You need at least 1000 calories over maintainence to grow on anabolics. so your looking at 3500-4000 minimum. Believe me I have to go over 5000, it ain't easy. But ya just do it.

ST

[flake]

if you've never eaten over 3000 calories for any specific period of time then chances are you've never given your body a chance to grow on its own.

Using steroids will never replace putting effort in in the long run. Like the others have said, to get maximum benifit from a cycle you're gonna have to eat more anyway, so why not try a better diet first?

Save the $$$ that you would have spent on the roids and use it on steak, believe me if you eat a few hundred grams of steak at every meal, 6+ times a day and you will grow.

I know it can be frustrating, but you'll be even more frustrated when you've shelled out a few hundred for a cycle and all you've gotten from it is a bit of water retention and gyno.

[Jane]

flake you've completely read my mind. That's exactly what I was thinking. :)

Listen Tyler, that was some very very good advice you just heard.

[young_nasser]

IF YOU WANT FRIENDLY ADVICE ON CYCLES, & DIET LET ME KNOW, I'M IN ONTARIO, WHERE YOU FROM....I DON'T SELL CRANK BUT I CAN HELP YOU MAKE AN EDUCATUED DECISION, FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

I talked to u before about this, u eating 3,000calories ain't gonna cut it if u want to get huge, I'm actually younger then u but I guess more geneticaly gifted. I told u what tripleH did if u don't belive me buy his new magazine (the game). Eat everything steak, pizza, just keep your calories up around 4,000 see what that does for u, then in a few months do a bottle of test, don't go hog wild. Just remember little or no carbs 4 hours before bed and no more the 10-15 min of cardio every other day. Oh yeah buy a weight gainer those *uckers got like 2,500 calories per serving. Might not be as good as eating but will keep your calories up.


BIG POPPA PUMP IS YOUR HOOK-UP HOLLA IF U HEAR ME-SCOTT STIENER