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Jinkies
02-04-2006, 07:02 PM
This is my second post about deadlifting technique, its the one lift I seem to have problem with so please bare with me. I do traditional instead of sumo because I figure squats=legs Chest=bench and deadlift=back. I havnt been improving much, i see alot of people who deadlift close to what they squat or even more but i struggle with 400+ and my form starts to get pretty bad. Im not sure what i can do to try and get stronger in it but its keepin me down in competitions. If anyone knows anything that could help me out maybe other exercises to boost it, im sure my form needs alot of work aswell

Sensei
02-04-2006, 07:10 PM
If you post a video, it'd be a lot easier to comment on your form.

What have you been doing for your deadlift up to now?

Jinkies
02-04-2006, 11:01 PM
My deadlift routine isnt much cause my hands cant handle a long workout. 1x15 135 then 1x10 225 then 3x5 315 then like 2 reps of 405

Sidior
02-04-2006, 11:53 PM
Im no expert, but it seems you are doing way too many reps for your early sets...why not try a triple at 135, 225, and 315 then go to your 405 set. Also if you compete, singles are prolly a good idea alot of the time too.

advice from sensei and others though will be much more helpful

Patz
02-05-2006, 12:11 AM
I agree..that's a CRAPLOAD of reps in a movement that doesn't require large rep schemes.

My last deadlift session was...

95 x 8 (warmup), 135 x 6, 185 x 6, 225 x 4, 255 x 2, 285, 315, 365 all for one rep

And some would probably say I do too many reps early on.

drew
02-05-2006, 12:36 AM
Typical DL session:
5x45 3x135 3x225 3x275 1x315 1x365 1x405 1x455 1xMax 1xMax

Remember to pull BACK and pull for speed. Get your hammies strong and your hips flexible.

cphafner
02-05-2006, 09:42 AM
I agree too much reps work early on. I do

135*8, 225*4, 225*4, 315*2, 405*2, 425*2, 445*1

Jinkies
02-06-2006, 09:12 AM
Yeah thats definately one of my problems then, only reason i did 15 warmup is because that whats Johnnie Jackson said he did in a video i saw. I just have a problem pulling it up past my thighs they get in the way. I know its hard to try and get advice without a video but haha i just dont wanna see like an ass bringing a video camera to the gym. Ill see what i can do

Guido
02-06-2006, 10:04 AM
Typical DL session:
5x45 3x135 3x225 3x275 1x315 1x365 1x405 1x455 1xMax 1xMax

Remember to pull BACK and pull for speed. Get your hammies strong and your hips flexible.You doing max lifts in a TYPICAL session??!! Sounds like OVERtraining to me!

Guido
02-06-2006, 10:07 AM
I just have a problem pulling it up past my thighs they get in the way.Try using baby powder on your thighs. Also work on lockout strength, i.e. high rack pulls.

FYI, my typical routine is something like:

8x225 WU, 5x315, 3x365, 2x415, 1x440, 1x440

I hardly ever go over 20 total reps in a workout on deads. Also, I don't do heavy deads more than 2 weeks in a row. Some people do deads only every other week and have great results.

ArchAngel777
02-06-2006, 10:18 AM
You doing max lifts in a TYPICAL session??!! Sounds like OVERtraining to me!

I do the same thing... Except not my absolute max. I know a lot of guys that do it at my gym. There is some seriously Power Lifters at my gym and it makes me feel like a girl. I think there are at least 10 regulars that Squat over 500 that weigh around 190 - 220. Same for dead lift... I found out the other day that it is the most common Power Lifting gym in Minnesota, or rather, one of them.


The biggest thing you need to do is make sure you allows your muscles to completely repair themselves. If they are completly repaired, I don't think training maximum singles is a bad idea, not if done correctly.

ArchAngel777
02-06-2006, 10:20 AM
Try using baby powder on your thighs. Also work on lockout strength, i.e. high rack pulls.

FYI, my typical routine is something like:

8x225 WU, 5x315, 3x365, 2x415, 1x440, 1x455

I hardly ever go over 20 total reps in a workout on deads.

For some reason, lockout is very easy for me once the weight is up there. All I do is lean back and I naturally lock out with ease... But then again, I do them a bit differently. I lift them up slowly and put them down slowly. My stick point is the first 2 inches off the ground, once I get past that, it is great.

drew
02-06-2006, 06:25 PM
You doing max lifts in a TYPICAL session??!! Sounds like OVERtraining to me!
Let me qualify a typical session. I Deadlift from the floor once every 3 to 6 weeks. I do not do speed deads as every rep I pull I am trying to exert maximal speed and force. This style has brought my DL from 425 to 475 in about 4 months. And I'm hoping to be pulling 500+ by my next meet. I understand this may not work for everyone, since DLs are so taxing. But it works for me.

KevinStarke
02-06-2006, 07:16 PM
While I was the only one not using a bench shirt at the meet drew was the only one deadlifting not wearing a freakin belt, his ways are strange... but they work for him.

Guido
02-07-2006, 09:28 AM
Whatever works for you, man. I WISH I had the genetics to allow me to work with near maximal weights every week. I guess only pulling from the floor every 3-6 weeks isn't too bad, though. Still, pulling 475 with no belt? Wow. That's monstrous.

Brink
02-07-2006, 12:08 PM
you deadlift 400 plus pounds and you complaining?


it gets to a point where, what do you want? To squat the twin towers

drew
02-07-2006, 03:38 PM
I don't know about genetics, but I try to sleep and eat a LOT. I'm tired most of the time, but it's worth it to keep getting stronger.

I'm hoping to pull 600+ with no belt. This year.

Jinkies
02-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Wait a second, yall reccomend using a belt when deadlifting?

KevinStarke
02-08-2006, 05:51 PM
Definitelly

drew
02-08-2006, 07:33 PM
No comment. :D

Sidior
02-08-2006, 07:46 PM
haha Im with drew

Jinkies
02-08-2006, 08:01 PM
I did deadlifts yesturday 4x5 215x5 then 3 sets of 345x5. Im starting to get in the hang of it because im seeing now its not just a pure back exercise. I start off pulling with my legs and its helping me lift the weight much easier and for more reps. Working with 25s instead of 45s is helping me aswell cause my forms getting better from having to get down lower. Anyone else have any advice?